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"The US cannot win a war against China"

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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I agree
China with its reserve and allies can mass up to a billion soldiers
they are the big power in the region even Putin know it

if we look in general they are really the perfect opposite of the USA
Obama know well that if he look for a fait fight ..China will give Obama a show for his money

they have been to silen for to long .. like miticulously planning a long waited invasion
the chineses know they can win VS the US with missile or fighter jet attack
to avoid the US to relaliate with full force nuking China
china needs to invade the US with the biggest stealth invasion in the world
maybe one of their satelite have a huge electro magnetic bomb that will kill all circuit boards
the US fleet at sea wouldnt know whats going on until its to late

someone has say to me one time that when China will wake up
earth will shake like an earthquake because of the swarm of boots

they already own the US anyway
the UN wouldnt dare condemn the invasion on US soil
or China will do to the world in 1 yrs what the US has done in a century

They know how powerfull they are to put an ad on an american channel
only them can put a propaganda pub directly on CNN





posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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aaand once again, once at war, Korea and Japan would join in.

That means Manchuria would be in a state of insurgency while the slave camps revolt.


China's economy is dependent on US consumerism. No US consumers, no Chinese jobs. No Chinese jobs, no stability. No stability....

Ever here of the dynastic cycle?


It is not that the US could win, it is that the Chinese could not endure.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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You know, they said the same about Germany in 1932.....

It's funny how people assume the future without any knowledge of it.
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Take my words. I'm not assuming it will happen. The fall of america is inevitable.

50 Facts About The U.S. Economy That Will Shock You



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Aren't we assuming a lot by thinking that this would ever be troops? I can very well see Russian, Chinese and American forces mixing it up in the coming years......over OTHER PEOPLE's nations. Pakistan has had Chinese on live fire exercises on one end of the country while the CIA is launching drones off a base on the other side. Dangerous stuff there.... Awfully close... Likewise, Syria and Iran are not pretty to think about.

However.. Wow... If American boots are literally on Russian Soil or theirs on ours...or China's on either...you get what I mean. If that is direct? I think it goes to intercontinental messages of being real pissed off in literal moments. Maybe even conventional warheads..but I kinda doubt it.

Over someone else though? Heck... I could see any of the 3 current leaders raging on one side while quietly keeping tabs to what they figured was a fair ratio in whatever was worth the fight. Syria maybe? The Spratly Islands? Taiwan? Hard to say. Not direct on each others soil though. Nukes lay that way I think.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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I agree with the headline, only because I believe that no one wins in war. There are no winners, only losers.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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It will never happen! So much money from the US is pouring into China. I have two cousin' that have businesses that more than %50 of there product made in China.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Well allow me to kindly suggest you're full of it.

Why should I care about the US economy and all its problems when, in a single moment, one man with 20,000 soldiers could easily erase it, and set up his own economy?


Just to give you one example, lets say I am that general with 20,000 soldiers. The president and his cabinet was "mysteriously" shot and I've arrested congress under decree that their incompetence cannot be allowed at the moment.

In an instant, I've more or less gained control of the US military, as they always love it when they have more power. With some deals, I can gain the Mayor of New York City as an ally, and with him, most of the North east and West Coast. I set up peripheral generals to manage the South and South West, where civil unrest is most likely. For now, I tell Texas, Florida, and a few other states to be their own managers, and locally run things, it's too problematic to claim absolute authority right now. I take over the media, and tell the people of the US of the tragic death of their president, and tell them it is not a dictatorship. Local governors, for now, have absolute authority, and most swear allegiance to the "contingency council".

I order New York City and California's police force to be replaced with my soldiers, as a sign of friendship. I can rally the Occupy people and maybe even some Tea baggers for my brown shirts.

From here, all I do is run trials on a few corporate heads and buy out the judges. They can die mysteriously a few weeks later. I control the media, so no one can know. I slaughter a few bankers and corporate heads, and suddenly I have the friendship of 60%-75% of the country. I award large scale deals and special interests to the remainder corporations, and sell the slaughtered ones rather than take possession of them, in order to ensure that I am not a communist taking private property. From doing that, I now have the support of the wealthy and most of the US.

If there's any civil unrest, they now look bad because they are fighting someone who has just done great justice in the popular mindset.

By slaughtering the largest corporations and selling their properties to my corporations, I've set up an oligarchy and absolute economic authority under the guise of bureaucratic justice and democracy. All I have to do is scapegoat the Chinese, and I can start an Orwellian war build up, creating huge job networks and set ups for avoiding any economic problems. The economy is rich, because I say so. The dollar has value, because I say so. People are wealthy, because I say so. I can do these things, because I have total control now. Much like Hitler did.


The peons do what I say out of loyalty to the big man who was nice enough to slaughter the corporations trampling our rights. I don't have to violate the constitutional bill of rights at all. People do what I say and work for what I say, because I give them land and food, and they don't care as long as I have that. People have homes, food, and jobs, so the economy is essentially what I declare it to be. I loaf of bread is cheap, because I say so. If someone raises the price, I use my brown shirts to call them the 1% and demonize them into submission. No one has to die, because I have cultural control. Though a few will, I essentially control all the prices and productions. The false notion of freedom set up by the seemingly independent governors keeps people feeling comfortably safe and free. In reality, each governor is dependent on my government for something, in exchange for something. I give Texas water for their meat. I give Georgia Meat for their crops. I give California bread for their factories. I give Nevada water for their electricity.

I control everything. And a collapse is avoided.
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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And if a National Socialist Greece invaded and collapsed Russia while China and America collapsed into a civil war, you would have no more China, America, or Russia.

It could go any number of ways. You are assuming a worse case situation, where the reality is that it's prbably not going to go according to plan.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Tell that to the taliban,VC,IRA and french resistance. They did extremely well. The british also fought against irregulars as well and got handed their butts on a routine basis.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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That's what I love about ATS. However bad a case I can think up, someone can think up a worse one. You're right though and I hadn't thought about a combination of all 3 world powers falling into states of internal chaos around the same time. Well, I think they had a name for the last time that happened. The Dark Ages...



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by iIuminaIi
 




Why should I care about the US economy and all its problems when, in a single moment, one man with 20,000 soldiers could easily erase it, and set up his own economy?


Just to give you one example, lets say I am that general with 20,000 soldiers. The president and his cabinet was "mysteriously" shot and I've arrested congress under decree that their incompetence cannot be allowed at the moment.

In an instant, I've more or less gained control of the US military, as they always love it when they have more power. With some deals, I can gain the Mayor of New York City as an ally, and with him, most of the North east and West Coast. I set up peripheral generals to manage the South and South West, where civil unrest is most likely. For now, I tell Texas, Florida, and a few other states to be their own managers, and locally run things, it's too problematic to claim absolute authority right now. I take over the media, and tell the people of the US of the tragic death of their president, and tell them it is not a dictatorship. Local governors, for now, have absolute authority, and most swear allegiance to the "contingency council".

I order New York City and California's police force to be replaced with my soldiers, as a sign of friendship. I can rally the Occupy people and maybe even some Tea baggers for my brown shirts.

From here, all I do is run trials on a few corporate heads and buy out the judges. They can die mysteriously a few weeks later. I control the media, so no one can know. I slaughter a few bankers and corporate heads, and suddenly I have the friendship of 60%-75% of the country. I award large scale deals and special interests to the remainder corporations, and sell the slaughtered ones rather than take possession of them, in order to ensure that I am not a communist taking private property. From doing that, I now have the support of the wealthy and most of the US.

If there's any civil unrest, they now look bad because they are fighting someone who has just done great justice in the popular mindset.

By slaughtering the largest corporations and selling their properties to my corporations, I've set up an oligarchy and absolute economic authority under the guise of bureaucratic justice and democracy. All I have to do is scapegoat the Chinese, and I can start an Orwellian war build up, creating huge job networks and set ups for avoiding any economic problems. The economy is rich, because I say so. The dollar has value, because I say so. People are wealthy, because I say so. I can do these things, because I have total control now. Much like Hitler did.


The peons do what I say out of loyalty to the big man who was nice enough to slaughter the corporations trampling our rights. I don't have to violate the constitutional bill of rights at all. People do what I say and work for what I say, because I give them land and food, and they don't care as long as I have that. People have homes, food, and jobs, so the economy is essentially what I declare it to be. I loaf of bread is cheap, because I say so. If someone raises the price, I use my brown shirts to call them the 1% and demonize them into submission. No one has to die, because I have cultural control. Though a few will, I essentially control all the prices and productions. The false notion of freedom set up by the seemingly independent governors keeps people feeling comfortably safe and free. In reality, each governor is dependent on my government for something, in exchange for something. I give Texas water for their meat. I give Georgia Meat for their crops. I give California bread for their factories. I give Nevada water for their electricity.

I control everything. And a collapse is avoided.
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WTF was that all about ?





Well allow me to kindly suggest you're full of it.



Again, America will fall




Prepare Yourself - America will collapse




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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Well insurgencies are actually harder to fight than an organized military. One of the points of a military, is actually to avoid insurgencies. It makes it pretty clear who lost, and makes it clear very quickly.

For that however, note that the Taliban and the Iraqi insurgency are more or less gone.

But just look at the price it had on the GDP.

Only a nation with a GDP like that of China or America would have the capacity to fight an insurgency.

So it is logical to deduce that fighting each other would not be possible to win for either side. America would be impoverished, and China would collapse into bickering nation states.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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That was how to avoid a collapse.

See you are assuming a collapse. So you cannot fathom any alternative.

I can fathom alternative Americas that can escape collapse.

...America can survive. The question is if I would be willing to live in that America. I am not so sure I would.


Collapse happens only when you loose your government and your states declare independence. That is why we say the Soviet Union collapsed, but Russia did not. Likewise, you can say NATO will collapse, you can even say the UN will collapse. the USA will not collapse. Civil Wars will occur, but a federal government will form out of it one way or another. Because all Americans, or at least a huge number of them, look to the constitution, speak English, and are united around this idea. The government can fall, but the people cannot. They are too united by their ways.

Maybe we'll go communist and slaughter the bankers in the streets. Or maybe will go Socialist and nationalize our production centers. Hell, maybe we'll even go confederate and have no more federal government. But no matter, the United States will be there. In one form or another. It may be total crap and an utter dictatorship, but it will exist. Because the people are too united against their government to be divided under it.

The hatred between democrat and republican is heated, but it only accounts for some 10% of the population. 75% of the population has hatred for the federal government in excess of hatred for each other tenfold. They would sooner shoot at the Fed than each other. And there are a large number of military men who would use this fact to organize a government around.
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Oh yea, and the ability to post videos hardly validates your claims.
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Yes, but even in the dark ages, men manages to produce amazing things.

Think about it. Even though Europe was in utter ruin, the first universities were established, there was unfathomable religious and cultural unity, and even more impressive, those "dark age" folks we look down on, managed to produce things like this:

upload.wikimedia.org...

Don't assume that just because 75% of the world is on fire that the remaining 25% are burning as well.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by iIuminaIi
 


That was how to avoid a collapse.

See you are assuming a collapse. So you cannot fathom any alternative.

I can fathom alternative Americas that can escape collapse.

...America can survive. The question is if I would be willing to live in that America. I am not so sure I would.


Collapse happens only when you loose your government and your states declare independence. That is why we say the Soviet Union collapsed, but Russia did not. Likewise, you can say NATO will collapse, you can even say the UN will collapse. the USA will not collapse. Civil Wars will occur, but a federal government will form out of it one way or another. Because all Americans, or at least a huge number of them, look to the constitution, speak English, and are united around this idea. The government can fall, but the people cannot. They are too united by their ways.

Maybe we'll go communist and slaughter the bankers in the streets. Or maybe will go Socialist and nationalize our production centers. Hell, maybe we'll even go confederate and have no more federal government. But no matter, the United States will be there. In one form or another. It may be total crap and an utter dictatorship, but it will exist. Because the people are too united against their government to be divided under it.

The hatred between democrat and republican is heated, but it only accounts for some 10% of the population. 75% of the population has hatred for the federal government in excess of hatred for each other tenfold. They would sooner shoot at the Fed than each other. And there are a large number of military men who would use this fact to organize a government around.
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Oh yea, and the ability to post videos hardly validates your claims.
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are you sure about that?



Stop talking bs




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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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China is already technically winning.They are getting their people as edcuated as possible and allowing them to migrate to the U.S. and buy everything up.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Note, a war in main land china, obviously china will win if US tries to attack China, there's no doubt, China is too big, has the largest army in the world, has the most sophisticated cyber army, has advanced weapons, missiles, tanks, air-force... last but not least, Chinese forces are not over stretched like the US.

US would never fight China head on, just like US never fought USSR head on, that would be devastating for both sides, and a suicide mission basically.

If you have such a fight, both sides will lose and a new power will arise. Just like WWII, all sides who fought in WWII till the end lost, then US (which wasn't a super power may I add), came and took over Europe. USA entered WWII at the last minute for that exact purpose, to win and take all, US army was unscratched when it entered WWII while the rest was already half damaged.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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So your response is a picture of a talking butt.


Wow. That's certainly professional journalism on par with Fox News. You should try to get a job there. You'd fit in well.
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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That strategy was attempted by many before. Such people usually end up living where they were sent and cutting themselves off from the homeland's government, but keeping the homeland's culture....


...matter of fact that's how America was established.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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