The Beasts, The King of the Beasts, the Horsemen, and the symbols for Revelation

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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These days everyone in religion appears to have heard about "The Beast", but nobody seems to notice all the archiological themes for how the Beast developed and entered into religious expression. Yet, nobody can understand this method of religious expression without looking at the ancient world's uses of various imagery for beasts, king of beasts, Kings/Pharoahs, and gods put forth via beast symbolism.

This Revelation Speak comes down to us today mainly via John and his time on the Island of Patmos, where he was technically in a Roman Prison and too old to work, so he was allowed to sit in his cave shelter and write. His work is the product of these ancient civilizations symbols and the knowledge of the orgin for the Soloman temple's inner meanings.

Somewhat like the Movie called "The Lion King", the issues for the use of Lion Symbols and Kings appeared in the oldest of recorded archiology of various small civilizations. Two Lions surrounded Goddess worship and this was the orgin for the Mother Nature theme and she took on various names depending upon the Area. Here the King of the Beasts is always Mother Natures guardian and supporter.

Then, as other animal natural icons appeared the Bull became one that took over from the Lions, as the Horns of Bulls could well kill off the Lion. Kinda like sisors cut paper and rock cut sisors thinking. So, Babylon came on the scene with Sun worship blended with Bull symbolism and the horns of the Apis Bull being the crown for Nimrod. Babylon also kept some of the big cat symbols also.

Then one moves on down to Egypt and later cultures and the Lion symbol returns and the Bulls horns are connected with Ra and the Sun. The great Sphinx appears to have been a Lion Symbol, which mean't they were the King of Cultures and later the head of the Sphinx was replaced with the head of a Pharoh or King.

Then we move on over to the little culture that sprang from Egypt and we eventually find the Lion of Judah and the symbols for David and his Temple involving crescent moon shaped land on which the temple was built and the temple being a star in the middle. The Star and Cresent is often considered the symbol for the Jerusalem and Temple area, with the temple's originator being David, The Lion of Judah, or King David.

In later times we hear terms such as the Lion will lay down with the Lamb, which is basically about the Lion of Judah temple issues to lay down with the Lambs of peace and equality to all. Such was the Jesus Message.

As we get inito just what is the Beast for John on Patmos, the beast term and meaning means essentially all those great old world civilizations and religions that sprang forth from the Lion Symbols for Kings and for gods. So, Beast essentially means Egypt's Pharosh's temples, Nimrod's Babylon, the City of David temple, the Vatican, and so on.

One does not find any of the Lion and Beast themes in other religions used for their point of origin. Islam is Mohammad and the biggest symbol for him is his horse and ride into heaven. Horse is another symbol for faithful servant and support for a system. The four Horsement is the issues for the Armies that serve the basic 7 heads of the Beast. The Beast is composed of horns and one little horn, which is the Israel and Zionism game. Israel's horn is the Ram's horn or a type of goat horn.

These are the migrations for the uses of Beasts from the animal kingdom and the King of the Beast symbolism that tracks way back to the origins of small civilizations merging out of hunting and gathering.

Religions often seek to divide and tell because of this or that they have the superior knowledge, moral support from god, best stewardship, and so on. But in general, this makes the other religion evil and theirs good. Such isn't constructive, yet the religions of the Beast symbol tend to place either tyrant humans in charge or some of the old creator gods from the Near East area.

Example 6000 BC


Example 4,000 BC


Example Annunaki time:





www.thelionshrine.com...

Well, we can't talk about Egypt and lions without mentioning the great Sphinx, which is probably the most famous representation of lions in Ancient Egypt. The Sphinx was built mainly to serve the sun and watch over the pyramids and tombs that housed the mummies and treasures of the deceased pharoes and ancient Egyptian noblemen and priests. The sphinx had the body of a lion and the head of a man to combine wisdom, strength, and courage. The Egyptian Sphinx is a living proof that lions had a special status in the life of ancient Egyptians.



One must recall the history for religion of Islam, as just after Mohammad dies the Arabs invade Jerusalem and take over and a symbol represents this victory of Islam over Jerusalem and the City of David and the Temple area.



The Arab Scimitar represents Islam's victory over Jerusalem, and the City of David is represented as two lion's claws opposed to each other to form a Crescent shape, and this moon cresent shape was how Jerusalem appeared from the Mount of Olives, and the star in the Middle was the temple mount.


While all this appears to support the uses of Lion Symbolism in the ancient day, there is one more item from more recent times and that is the uses of symbols on Crests and Shields used for family names in England and parts of Europe. Here, the family line from that of the Throne of David generally has a rared up Lion as their family symbol. So, this same type teaching of the symbols for Lions enters the Symbolism to the Kings and Queens of England especially, and some other King David Royal Ruler lines.

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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One does not find any of the Lion and Beast themes in other religions used for their point of origin. Islam is Mohammad and the biggest symbol for him is his horse and ride into heaven. Horse is another symbol for faithful servant and support for a system. The four Horsement is the issues for the Armies that serve the basic 7 heads of the Beast. The Beast is composed of horns and one little horn, which is the Israel and Zionism game. Israels horn is the Ram's horn or a type of goat horn.


I always thought Islam used the crescent moon like Christianity uses the fish. The symbol points to it being an evolved form of pagan moon worship that originated from Nimrod's wife/mother Semiramis in Babylon.



posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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When you mention "The Beast," you are referring to Revelation 13.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e - or of mankind] That number is 666.

The level of sophistication and connectedness in this statement exceeds the intelligence of the man that wrote it through God's inspiration.

The mark of mankind is Carbon. It has 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons. The Beast is marked by Carbon. That's us. The final Beast will be marked by a system of trade and commerce that is marked by Carbon. No nation can buy or sell unless they have the mark of carbon.

The American Petrol Dollar is that mark. Apart from purchasing oil (Carbon) with the dollar, no nation can survive. It is required. As a result of this, we can now figure out what Jesus meant by overturning the tables of the moneychangers and the benches of those selling peace.

When Jesus entered the temple as king, his first act was to overturn the tables of the moneychangers. This foreshadowed what would take place when he enters the temple on the day of the Lord, the last day of the week. He also overturned the benches of the ones selling doves.

-Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
-Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
-Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
-Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION)

The experts in the law were condemned by Christ in the first century for corrupting the temple. The temple is symbolic for the Earth. They were selling in the temple and made it a place of commerce, foreshadowing our own day and age. A table is a financial measurement of positive and negative. Because Babylon is destined to fall by its own error, the tables will turn when the beast system collapses. We are witnessing it NOW.

The benches are symbols of rest. The doves are symbols of peace. Do the peacemakers have any rest today?

As you can see, the Bible speaks clearly. We just need to trust that God is able to draw the future into the past so we can read it as it passes by.

Back to 666. Why is Carbon the mark of a beast? In Genesis 3, the fruit of knowledge was something we were not supposed to touch. If we did, we die. Why?

777 is Nitrogen. 888 is Oxygen. The heptadic mark of God on the Bible is always three sevens. The mark of Christ on the Bible is 888 in Greek Gematria. The Word of God overcomes the beast. What is the word spoken with? The Breath!!! 777 and 888 are the very air we breathe?

Satan twists all of God's work in a mirror? His mark is 9. The ninth element is 999, or fluorine. This is a mirror twice with 666.

666
999

Fluorine is byproduct of uranium enrichment. This is then added to toothpaste and water to calcify our pineal gland. The pineal gland is our connection to the spirit of God. When mixed with carbon, it becomes fluorocarbon.

Our fruit of knowledge and graven image (Technology) kills the breath of God, nitrogen and oxygen. We preserve our own lives with the breath of God. Word is the way to overcome.

Trust it. It's accurate.

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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The "Beast" in Revelation really derives from the "beasts from the sea" in Daniel ch7, which appear to represent specific states. E.g. it's generally agreed that the "lion with eagles' wings" represents the Babylonian empire, because that was such an iconic statue in Babylon.
Since the "beasts from the sea" in Daniel are political states, the obvious conclusion is that the "beast from the sea" in Revelation is a political state, though nothing points to any specific area.
As for the "four horsemen", we can't really understand them without comparing them with the "four horse" teams in Zechariah ch1 and ch6, which offer some clues about what the four horses mean in Revelation;
See Revelation; The four horsemen-why? in my Revelation series.


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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight
[Back to 666. Why is Carbon the mark of a beast? In Genesis 3, the fruit of knowledge was something we were not supposed to touch. If we did, we die. Why?

777 is Nitrogen. 888 is Oxygen. The heptadic mark of God on the Bible is always three sevens. The mark of Christ on the Bible is 888 in Greek Gematria. The Word of God overcomes the beast. What is the word spoken with? The Breath!!! 777 and 888 are the very air we breathe?

Satan twists all of God's work in a mirror? His mark is 9. The ninth element is 999, or fluorine. This is a mirror twice with 666.

666
999

Fluorine is byproduct of uranium enrichment. This is then added to toothpaste and water to calcify our pineal gland. The pineal gland is our connection to the spirit of God. When mixed with carbon, it becomes fluorocarbon.

Our fruit of knowledge and graven image (Technology) kills the breath of God, nitrogen and oxygen. We preserve our own lives with the breath of God. Word is the way to overcome.

Trust it. It's accurate.



Enoch here is wrong, too often. No vote of confidence here on your embellished nonsense.

Fluoride is a product of a hundred different industrial processes, including coal burning, and toxic to humans. It is a strategic interest in the area of aluminum and highly enriched uranium making, and thus is a protected pollutant that is allowed to slowly poison people in the US.

The major problem in the environment is the hydrochlorofluorocarbons or the Freon mistakes on not being inert.


The 666 is very simple, and it is all those that morn the loss of the 1st and 2nd temples that happened precisely 666 years apart on the Jewish date Ninth of Av. This is Israels saddest day, and the mark of the Beast is the Jewish religion derived from the Lion as the Beast and the god Yahweh/Enlil.

Lion of Judah on Coat of Arms for Jerusalem:



The Beast issue even includes the Lamb, meaning Jesus followers, that also worship the wrong theme for god. As Jesus god stems from Enki or Ea, and this has much Lion symbolism connected.


1st temple 586 and 2 nd temple 70 ----- 70+586=666





www.cabalisticnews.com...



Babylon crushed it, then Rome. Next the world steps in with 4 horsemen.

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
[Back to 666. Why is Carbon the mark of a beast? In Genesis 3, the fruit of knowledge was something we were not supposed to touch. If we did, we die. Why?

777 is Nitrogen. 888 is Oxygen. The heptadic mark of God on the Bible is always three sevens. The mark of Christ on the Bible is 888 in Greek Gematria. The Word of God overcomes the beast. What is the word spoken with? The Breath!!! 777 and 888 are the very air we breathe?

Satan twists all of God's work in a mirror? His mark is 9. The ninth element is 999, or fluorine. This is a mirror twice with 666.

666
999

Fluorine is byproduct of uranium enrichment. This is then added to toothpaste and water to calcify our pineal gland. The pineal gland is our connection to the spirit of God. When mixed with carbon, it becomes fluorocarbon.

Our fruit of knowledge and graven image (Technology) kills the breath of God, nitrogen and oxygen. We preserve our own lives with the breath of God. Word is the way to overcome.

Trust it. It's accurate.



Enoch here is wrong, too often. No vote of confidence here on your embellished nonsense.

Fluoride is a product of a hundred different industrial processes, including coal burning, and toxic to humans. It is a strategic interest in the area of aluminum and highly enriched uranium making, and thus is a protected pollutant that is allowed to slowly poison people in the US.

The major problem in the environment is the hydrochlorofluorocarbons or the Freon mistakes on not being inert.


The 666 is very simple, and it is all those that morn the loss of the 1st and 2nd temples that happened precisely 666 years apart on the Jewish date Ninth of Av. This is Israels saddest day, and the mark of the Beast is the Jewish religion derived from the Lion as the Beast and the god Yahweh/Enlil.

Lion of Judah on Coat of Arms for Jerusalem:



The Beast issue even includes the Lamb, meaning Jesus followers, that also worship the wrong theme for god. As Jesus god stems from Enki or Ea, and this has much Lion symbolism connected.


1st temple 586 and 2 nd temple 70 70+586=666

Babylon crushed it, then Rome. Next the world steps in with 4 horsemen.

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Symbols are words. As such, their meaning is derived from the context they are used. No symbol has a single meaning. Words are used in the same manner. Is it a verb, a noun or an adverb? It depends. Hillel's Seven Rules of rightly dividing truth shows the process for unraveling the symbols. Truth is hermetically sealed in symbol. Hermes was the first scribe and the originator of this process. To say that I am wrong and you are right is not correct. We could both be correct, yet my rendering is able to travel across context with the entire story of the Bible.

Symbols are onions. They have layers. There is a core truth to each symbol and reflects some aspect in Heaven. The elements are a basic starting-point when considering good and evil. Hydrogen has one proton and one electron in a positive and negative equilibrium. The neutron is then found in all other elements between the two. It would be a basic evident truth to see that all the elements match their corresponding aspect to creation. I go with my version, but yours is very interesting as well. No reason to discount either one.



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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Symbols are words. As such, their meaning is derived from the context they are used. No symbol has a single meaning. Words are used in the same manner. Is it a verb, a noun or an adverb? It depends. Hillel's Seven Rules of rightly dividing truth shows the process for unraveling the symbols. Truth is hermetically sealed in symbol. Hermes was the first scribe and the originator of this process. To say that I am wrong and you are right is not correct. We could both be correct, yet my rendering is able to travel across context with the entire story of the Bible.

Symbols are onions. They have layers. There is a core truth to each symbol and reflects some aspect in Heaven. The elements are a basic starting-point when considering good and evil. Hydrogen has one proton and one electron in a positive and negative equilibrium. The neutron is then found in all other elements between the two. It would be a basic evident truth to see that all the elements match their corresponding aspect to creation. I go with my version, but yours is very interesting as well. No reason to discount either one.




You line is just disinformation. Jesus father concept was Enki or Ea, the Sumerian Creator god. Jesus was the symbolic Son of that god via the DNA signature of his liniage. Holy Ghost is Jesus story kept alive in the minds of man from the story.

None of this Beast issue has anything to do with chemical element numbers from Carbon, Nitrogen, or Fluorine.

Though fluorine is a corruption of the body and mind, which poisons most mind's to the extent that the simple is kept from the masses.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Back to 666. Why is Carbon the mark of a beast? In Genesis 3, the fruit of knowledge was something we were not supposed to touch. If we did, we die. Why?

777 is Nitrogen. 888 is Oxygen. The heptadic mark of God on the Bible is always three sevens. The mark of Christ on the Bible is 888 in Greek Gematria. The Word of God overcomes the beast. What is the word spoken with? The Breath!!! 777 and 888 are the very air we breathe?

Satan twists all of God's work in a mirror? His mark is 9. The ninth element is 999, or fluorine. This is a mirror twice with 666.


Revelations says the beasts number is six hundred and sixty six.
Not a number combination 6-6-6 as you imply.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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1st temple 586 and 2 nd temple 70 ----- 70+586=666



Sorry, that equals 656, not 666.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpus

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Symbols are words. As such, their meaning is derived from the context they are used. No symbol has a single meaning. Words are used in the same manner. Is it a verb, a noun or an adverb? It depends. Hillel's Seven Rules of rightly dividing truth shows the process for unraveling the symbols. Truth is hermetically sealed in symbol. Hermes was the first scribe and the originator of this process. To say that I am wrong and you are right is not correct. We could both be correct, yet my rendering is able to travel across context with the entire story of the Bible.

Symbols are onions. They have layers. There is a core truth to each symbol and reflects some aspect in Heaven. The elements are a basic starting-point when considering good and evil. Hydrogen has one proton and one electron in a positive and negative equilibrium. The neutron is then found in all other elements between the two. It would be a basic evident truth to see that all the elements match their corresponding aspect to creation. I go with my version, but yours is very interesting as well. No reason to discount either one.




You line is just disinformation. Jesus father concept was Enki or Ea, the Sumerian Creator god. Jesus was the symbolic Son of that god via the DNA signature of his liniage. Holy Ghost is Jesus story kept alive in the minds of man from the story.

None of this Beast issue has anything to do with chemical element numbers from Carbon, Nitrogen, or Fluorine.

Though fluorine is a corruption of the body and mind, which poisons most mind's to the extent that the simple is kept from the masses.



Between our two versions, which one has a reflecting point that confirms itself within the symbols? Which one fits the story we are living of a beast system that is taking over mankind, going so far as to name the players in the tyranny by the names of moneychangers, high priests and Builders (Masons)?

If you can answer this, then the only source is the Word of God. The story is clear. My signature link covers this in detail.



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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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Back to 666. Why is Carbon the mark of a beast? In Genesis 3, the fruit of knowledge was something we were not supposed to touch. If we did, we die. Why?

777 is Nitrogen. 888 is Oxygen. The heptadic mark of God on the Bible is always three sevens. The mark of Christ on the Bible is 888 in Greek Gematria. The Word of God overcomes the beast. What is the word spoken with? The Breath!!! 777 and 888 are the very air we breathe?

Satan twists all of God's work in a mirror? His mark is 9. The ninth element is 999, or fluorine. This is a mirror twice with 666.


Revelations says the beasts number is six hundred and sixty six.
Not a number combination 6-6-6 as you imply.


Actually, it is six-hundred, three score and six. That's 600 60 6. For all we know, we are using the wrong axiom to describe Carbon. Either way, I see Carbon as the only descriptor that fits both sides of the Bible. Carbon is our fruit of knowledge. Without it, we have no technology apart from God's fruit. Think about it. We can build anything we need from the resources God provided, including houses and cities. Using Carbon has been the mark of our destruction. All of God's technology gives back. Ours pollutes, collects in landfills and destroys the ecosystem. It stated with Carbon, which happens to be the mark of mankind. I go with the obvious answer that has been right there in front of us since we first noticed that our own mark is 666 atomically. God already knew.

No axiom can have a proof, but is always the most evident conclusion possible. Give me something that fits better.


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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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1st temple 586 and 2 nd temple 70 ----- 70+586=666



Sorry, that equals 656, not 666.


AND, the basic end of the temple function was 10 year earlier, and all the Holy stuff hidden away, and the end of the whispering of false idols. It matters what the Jewish tradition is, and the temple died over a period of time, until they burned the building down.

So, the date 586 is a span that began 10 years earlier 596-586

This speaks to the tradition of saddest days:




www.cabalisticnews.com...

Friday at sunset is a fast day for Israel- remembrance day of when the 1st and second temple were destroyed 666 years apart on the same day, the Ninth of Av; this is Israel’s saddest day, when England expelled the Jews in 1290 and tonight begin the Olympics.



This shows others considered the same elements in the ending of the temple functions. There is debate on if the Babylon types captured the Holy Ark or it was hidden deep down in the caves under and near the temple. The Babylon invasion took a while and the Temple Priests had a lot of time to hide their golden temple items from the Babylon invaders:




www.tentmaker.org...

Before I get into the meat of the article, I just want to point out that there were approximately (or perhaps exactly) 666 years between when the vessels were removed from Solomon's Temple and sent to Babylon and when Titus destroyed Herod's Temple in 70 A.D. and carried the vessels to Rome. Furthermore, the number 666 is found in only one place in the Old Testament and it related to Solomon and his day. I'll say no more, but for the hungry ones, there is much to hear here.

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In approximately 597 B.C., the temple was plundered and the Holy Vessels were brought to Babylon. Then in 587/586 it was burned. The Jews went into Babylonian captivity for 70 years, at the end of which they were allowed to return to Israel because God cleaned the land. They began to rebuild Solomon's Temple perhaps around 538. The rebuilding was delayed by some of the people planted into Israel by the Babylonian king when he cleansed the land of Jews.




And even more details, as the temple's end is tied to when the Babylonians took Jerusalem and forced the end of idol worship by the temple priests. The temple problems extended for 10 years until they burned down the symbol that refused to go away in the Jewish mind.





one-faith-of-god.org...


The “beast” refers to not one, but two entities defined by John of Patmos in Chapter 13 of his Book of Revelation. The first is defined as a beast that arises out of the sea with seven heads and 10 horns. The second beast arises out of the earth having the appearance of a lamb while speaking like a dragon. John of Patmos then challenges the reader to “calculate the number of the Beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is 666” (Rev. 13:18).

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It is recorded that Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem in 597 BCE, but the circumstances explained for the destruction of the Temple is a dubious story of an apparent rebellion almost ten years after the Babylonians had conquered the city. It is hardly a credible claim. A much more credible timeframe for the destruction of the Temple of Solomon is within one year of the conquering of Jerusalem or 596 BCE.

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The principle pantheon of gods of the Sadducees were mainly derived from their Syrian Ugarit roots- The most senior God was Dagan, the god of agriculture, plenty (food) and good fortune. The priests of Dagan wore fish dress , the archetype of the Mitre (fish) hats of Christian bishops. Next was Ashtoreth the goddess of fertility, sexuality and war. Her most famous temples were on Cyprus as Aphrodite and in Rome on Vatican Hill as Cybele. Then there was Moloch, Hebrew name for Ba’al of the land.

So when John of Patmos in Chapter 13 of Revelation is speaking of the beasts and the “dragon” he is defining the principle demon deity of the Sadducee Jews. Why would he do this? What then is the significance of the destruction of the second temple on precisely the same day 666 years later in 70 CE?




So, all this should make things a bit more clear as to why 666 is tied to Solomon's temple facing East and to the area that is called the Primordial Mounds appearance and those depicted as fish like gods, the area of the Fertile Crescent and the area of Ur and Eridu. The temple priest whispered Yahweh.

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
The "Beast" in Revelation really derives from the "beasts from the sea" in Daniel ch7, which appear to represent specific states. E.g. it's generally agreed that the "lion with eagles' wings" represents the Babylonian empire, because that was such an iconic statue in Babylon.
Since the "beasts from the sea" in Daniel are political states, the obvious conclusion is that the "beast from the sea" in Revelation is a political state, though nothing points to any specific area.
As for the "four horsemen", we can't really understand them without comparing them with the "four horse" teams in Zechariah ch1 and ch6, which offer some clues about what the four horses mean in Revelation;
See Revelation; The four horsemen-why? in my Revelation series.




If one takes the time to read more than what is told in the Bible and go look in the direction of where the Temple of Solomon faced one finds the details. To the East was about facing the direction of the Creator gods, and the area of Ur and Eridu. Here the story tells of this area being that which rose from the deep, and this was a primordial mound area. This was where the Creator gods did their human breeding experiments with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. The Creator gods are often shown symbolically as being like fish, in the ancient Sumerian art that captures some imagery.

So, it fits with Daniel's views on beast from the sea, expecially when Enki, or Ea, has many drawing associated with water and being from the watery deep.

The story is everywhere:




en.wikipedia.org...

In Sumerian E-A means "the house of water", and it has been suggested that this was originally the name for the shrine to the God at Eridu.

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The main temple to Enki is called E-abzu, meaning "abzu temple" (also E-en-gur-a, meaning "house of the subterranean waters""), a ziggurat temple surrounded by Euphratean marshlands near the ancient Persian Gulf coastline at Eridu. He was the keeper of the divine powers called Me, the gifts of civilization. His image is a double-helix snake, or the Caduceus, very similar to the Rod of Asclepius used to symbolize medicine. He is often shown with the horned crown of divinity dressed in the skin of a carp.



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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Between our two versions, which one has a reflecting point that confirms itself within the symbols? Which one fits the story we are living of a beast system that is taking over mankind, going so far as to name the players in the tyranny by the names of moneychangers, high priests and Builders (Masons)?

If you can answer this, then the only source is the Word of God. The story is clear. My signature link covers this in detail.




I think anyone that reads the Bible story that begins with Genesis reads the gods made man in their image, so that is back to the gods of Sumeria and the Ur and Eridu region. Here Abraham walked with the gods, and Enoch was essentially one of them due to genetics.

Eridu was home for Enki or Ea, and that home is part of the great waters of the deep, and the primordial mound connotations.


I really don't see the Bible story speak to anything to do with Carbon and atomic number 6, which isn't 666 in any sense.


I do see lots of the symbolism from early religion being connected with the King of the Beasts, Lions, shown holding up things of religious value or significance. I don't see any of them holding up carbon anything.

I do see lots of black carbon smoke from your imagination blowing holy smoke.


All this Ur and Eridu gods tie right to the theme for the god of Abraham, and Abraham then coming to the Dome of the Rock area for that story.

So, then that ties to the false god concepts involving the first temple of Solomon and why the Babylon invaders invaded to end the false idol for god theme.

Then the same issue pops up with the 2nd temple, and the Babylon folks are against that, and it finially erupts with the false symbol causing all the problems getting burned down again.

Then today, all the Armageddon stuff is tied to rebuilding the temple a 3 rd time. The story fits good for the gods of Anu in Ur and Eridu, then the god Yahweh tied to Abraham, and this being a false god, and the same false gods that did the breeding experiments for Adam and Eve. In all that, nothing about Carbon.


None of that is in any way connected to the atomic number for carbon or any of your other non-sense.

So, thumbs down to your story and a vote of zero confidence in your illusions.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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This is not the belief-system you were operating from in the opening post, where you were being fairly anthopological and scientific.
The policy of interpreting the Bible from itself does at least encourage consistency.
As long as you're just junping around the internet, picking up scraps of information like a jackdaw, I'm not quite sure what you really believe; and I don't think you are, either.






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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
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This is not the belief-system you were operating from in the opening post, where you were being fairly anthopological and scientific.
The policy of interpreting the Bible from itself does at least encourage consistency.
As long as you're just junping around the internet, picking up scraps of information like a jackdaw, I'm not quite sure what you really believe; and I don't think you are, either.



I am sure you thought you won a point there, but what was found was you didn't know the First temple history well. You are so embarrassed that you have to call names and place blame everywhere else for your illiteracy on the 1st temple.

The 666 works very well for the sign of the beast and the failure of David/Solomon's god really being a valid god.


Unfortunately, the Bible starts off at a poor place, and they really needed to include the Book of Enoch so they would understand the Creator gods, but then doing that would prove it wasn't god at all.

The Bible doesn't tell the fuller story very much on purpose, and that limits your knowledge and being able to see it is all about a false god theme.

It also shows the level for your denial. Denials were just as strong in the times of Babylon taking Jerusalem and the clinging onto the old ways that resulted in the burning down the temple. Your name calling is just the same as the 1st temple followers resistance.

You only prove the same level of resistance that forced the burning of the temples. You appear to be another that worships a pagan idol derived from Sumerian Creator gods, and a name that could only be whispered in the Holy Chamber once a year.

edit on 6-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: So much for false gods and little whispers to keep the secret that made a book about false god beliefs



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Actually, it is six-hundred, three score and six. That's 600 60 6


Yeah, its pretty much the same as what I said earlier.... its 600 + 60 + 6.... not 6, 6, 6.

You say its a number combination... i.e - six protons, six electrons and six neutrons... whereas the bible says its a proper number.




Satan twists all of God's work in a mirror? His mark is 9. The ninth element is 999, or fluorine. This is a mirror twice with 666.

My bible tells me that Satan does not directly confront God.
In the book of Job... Satan reports to God. Satan can only mess with humans to try and lead them into the wrong path.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by DarkKnight21

I always thought Islam used the crescent moon like Christianity uses the fish. The symbol points to it being an evolved form of pagan moon worship that originated from Nimrod's wife/mother Semiramis in Babylon.




Well, they do, with a few reservation. The Crescent of Islam goes way back to the times of Sumeria and the son of Enlil, named Sin/Nanna. So, this is one of the creator god rooted things. The Sun sign goes with Nanna's wife.

Technically, Islam does not like a symbol assigned to their religion or their god, but it happens on flags and some Mosque Domes.

Christianity's fish goes back to the story of Joah and The Whale and even connects with Sumerian gods, like Enki, who is depected in fish suits. Jesus god he called Abba, related back to Enki, god of the waters that is shown in fish suite.

The Cresent finds a number of old uses from Sumeria and the Fertile Crescent area for Sin (Babylon's term) or Nanna (Sumeria's term). It was a sign for Constainople. It was a sign for Arab Rulers.

It appears to have gained flag popularity in the times of the Crusades, as the conquest for Jerusalem. It is most interesting to note that the Islamic use for the Crescent isn't really the astronomical Moon's shape, because the ends of the Islam Crescent wrap around too far. Islam's crescent is more like the shape for a Lion's Claw, with a hooked end.




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When one reads up on what the Masons thought of this it is more along the lines of the Lion of David symbolism and one claw as the upper city and the opposed claw as the lower city, so they form a Crescent shape with horns toward the Kidron Valley. Here the Star is the Temple in the middle. This was Josephus view looking from the Mount of Olives. The Mason's Shrine Temple sign makes use of this shape with a Scimitar hanging over the Crescent and Star. In that example it means the Arab Rulers dominance over the Temple of David area, with the Dome of Rock and Mosque.

So, it appears in some ways to be a bragging right over posession of the Jerusalem area, which also sprang out of the Sumerian Creator gods theme, both having the Crescent and Star symbols.


There is a little more to this symbol than first meets the eye, because it has more of a Lion's claw symbolism, that then supports a god theme from Sumeria, Sin/Nanna.

edit on 6-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Symbolism



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 12:23 AM
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Well, they do, with a few reservation. The Crescent of Islam goes way back to the times of Sumeria and the son of Enlil, named Sin/Nanna. So, this is one of the creator god rooted things. The Sun sign goes with Nanna's wife.

Technically, Islam does not like a symbol assigned to their religion or their god, but it happens on flags and some Mosque Domes.

Christianity's fish goes back to the story of Joah and The Whale and even connects with Sumerian gods, like Enki, who is depected in fish suits. Jesus god he called Abba, related back to Enki, god of the waters that is shown in fish suite.

The Cresent finds a number of old uses from Sumeria and the Fertile Crescent area for Sin (Babylon's term) or Nanna (Sumeria's term). It was a sign for Constainople. It was a sign for Arab Rulers.


The sun and the moon, being these large bright orbs in the sky were visible to many cultures the world over throughout history.
So there's a good chance that 2 different cultures/religions/organizations end up having the same symbol. Doesn't mean that they are the same.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n

The sun and the moon, being these large bright orbs in the sky were visible to many cultures the world over throughout history.
So there's a good chance that 2 different cultures/religions/organizations end up having the same symbol. Doesn't mean that they are the same.


There was the symbol for Sin, that was a real astronomical shape for a Moon, but these Islam shapes are not astronomical shapes. Islam's shape is that for a Lions Claw, two opposed from the center. How can one tell, the tips of the Moon are hooked, that does not happen in Moon signs.


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Thus, the symbol from Islam isn't the classical Moon shape and appears to be more about Lion's claw symbolic conquest over the world by Islam.

This symbol didn't appear to gain popularity until Jerusalem was taken shortly after Mohammah died.

The problem now being the symbol isn't one for the Moon due to tips being claw shaped.

edit on 8-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Thus, the claw shape makes it special and not Moon crescent shape





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