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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
This is a neighborhood that he's been pissing off with 80 people coming in at least twice a week, like clockwork for a long time now. Would you want to buy a house within a block of him? I sure wouldn't...and there is the violation of other people's rights.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
There should be a protest about this kind of violation of civil liberties.
Originally posted by jensouth31
Well I have to admit that is a bit exsessive, also the title of this thread is misleading It's not a mere bible study, the guy is holding full blown church services. That is a different story all together.
There's also the timeline, which indicates that Mr. Salman had been a thorn in the city's side for quite some time:
Mr. Salman's interaction regarding his property dates back to 2006, when he was advised by the Zoning Administrator that his property was analogous to a church and required compliance with the Zoning Ordinance.
In other words, he's had six years to either get his building up to code or stop holding services. Far from persecution, this is nothing short of favoritism. Had a regular old restaurant -- or heaven forbid, a Planned Parenthood office -- been in violation of fire safety standards, they'd have been shut down within weeks. Count on it.
In the Fall of 2007, Mr. Salman is notified several times by the City that he needs to obtain the proper permits and approvals before holding church services on his property.
So he had one year's notification of zoning ordinances before holding services, and then he ignores the city's call for proper permitting.
In 2008, Mr. Salman's church, Harvest Christian Fellowship Community Church, is issued a Building Permit to construct a 2,000 square foot private game room accessory to an existing single family residence. The permit states, "Any other occupancy or use (business, commercial, assembly, church, etc.) is expressly prohibited pursuant to the City of Phoenix Building Code and Zoning Ordinances."
So let's make sure we're clear. Mr. Salman knew he was breaking the law and did it anyway. He is a willful lawbreaker for Jesus. All along, he knew he was building a church, but he lied to the city and told them he was building a game room. He lied because he knew he was doing something illegal.
On January 4, 2010, Harvest Christian Fellowship Community Church is found responsible for 96 civil code violations. The Court notes, "[T]he State is not saying the Salmans can't run a church or have worship services at the location, but the State is saying that if they do so, they must do it properly and in accord with the building, fire, and zoning codes."
Four years after being notified that what he was doing was illegal, two years after he lied to the city, the city finds 96 civil code violations. The city explicitly says he's perfectly within his rights to have church services if only he'll go through the proper channels and get the proper permits. The city is practically begging him to just play by the rules so they don't have to bother with him anymore.
On August 30, 2010, Mr. Salman was found guilty of 67 Class 1 Misdemeanors. The Court stated, "Everyone is entitled under the United States Constitution to worship as they please. But there is a reason for these codes and that is for public safety. And that, I believe, is all that the State is asking is that the Code violations be rectified."
Instead of admitting his mistakes and getting his garage up to code, he continued to hold services, and the city charged him for it. After years of pleading with him, giving him every benefit of the doubt, and allowing him to hold services in an unsafe building -- risking serious civil lawsuits if anyone had gotten hurt -- the city decided he had no intention of obeying the law.
Ms. Sundblad and others are using inflammatory language they got from FOX, like "raid." They're pointing out that this all went down right after Independence Day. But it wasn't a raid. It was a six year investigation. And it had to be sometime. There are "American" holidays all during the year. It had to be near one of them. This is not, in any sense, a matter of free speech. When Mr. Salman gets out of jail, all he's got to do is get the proper permits, and bring his garage up to code, and he can go right back to annoying his neighbors with all the traffic congestion.
After that I reported cracks and raised cement in the sidewalk in front of their house. Told the person who was taking my report that my child was skating and tripped over the raised sidewalk - - which could have resulted in serious injury. Fact is - - I knew they were growing stuff in their greenhouse that was not legal.