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Originally posted by Raivan31
Originally posted by stupid girl
should't this be in the "Rant" forum?
Or maybe ATS should just go all-out and create a new "Things I Disagree With And Don't Understand About Other People's Faith" forum.edit on 5-8-2012 by stupid girl because: (no reason given)
Quotes straight from the bible.... deal with it.
Whats not to understand? Basic comprehension skills make it pretty clear.
The three 'big' religions are all about hate, entire books filled with lists of things you should hate.
Things that make no sense and things that contradict one another.
Pick up the books, read them. It's all right there in black and white, plain as day and easy to comprehend.
You don't like it? well maybe you should question yourself and your beliefs.
In for a penny, in for a pound.edit on 5-8-2012 by Raivan31 because: (no reason given)
Then maybe you should question your self-imposed limitations due to your myopic intellectual faculties and trendy discernment.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Revealation
Read the thread. Understand all the points.
Clearly we have understood the idea that Christians 'think' the Old Law is null and Christians are under a New Covenant. If you bothered to read the thread you would hopefully understand the points and argue from there.
This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed in exchange for the many for the release of sins.
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
So essentially if we, after reading the Bible, do not find these hidden Truths our myopic intellectual faculties are broken?
Does that mean we are stupid in general or just in a spiritual sense?
If you bothered to read the thread you would hopefully understand the points and argue from there.
Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by Shimri
You, like a few others confuse laws against sin and laws for rituals. Which were both laws under the OT and had to be obeyed!
The laws against sin are very much for Christians and they parallel the same laws in in the NT.
The ritual laws.. ie, sacrifice of animals, circumcision, no clothes of assorted fabrics, Not eating ham, rabbit... Etc.... are not for Christian or the Jews after Jesus said "it is finished" on the cross and "the temple veil was rent n two"
This is what the Apostle is talking about "liberty from the law" the rituals. Jesus's death was the ritual to end all rituals. God himself said "it is finished!" Thats good enough for me. Sin is still sin in the OT and NT.
You could live by the law. But the bible says you will be judged my it. If you choose to ignore the time of grace (NT) and use the law as an excuse or defence.
The "law" was not just the ten commandment both ritual and sin law, WAS THE LAW in the OT. If you were guilty of breaking one part of the law you broke the intire law.
The temple was the center of scrifice and ritual. Jesus was the last holy sacrifice "for this reason I came into the world" The perfect lamb for sacrifice.
This has been covered over and over here.
The NT states clearly OT sin is still NT sin and should be refrained from.edit on 6-8-2012 by murphy22 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Fromabove
reply to post by SilentKillah
There is a reason they call it the " New Covenant."
Originally posted by sheeplearepeople
reply to post by seeker1963
Leviticus was from the old testament, (Torah) which was a set of laws for the Jews! NOT CHRISTIANS!
Remember that Jesus was a Jew, and the Old Testament helped shape Jesus and the beliefs of his followers. Without an Old Testament, there would be no New Testament
Originally posted by DOLCOTT
reply to post by buster2010
The veil was torn and all men/women could come directly to God and Jesus without the need of a priest or a church. God saw that man was unable to keep the laws (JEWISH) and sent his son to pay for all past and future sins of mankind.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Why do you need Jesus in order to live a good life? Don't you have your own moral code? Would you still follow him and all of his lessons if doing that meant you would go to hell?
Originally posted by MamaJ
I need Jesus because I want him. I want his light In my heart and everyone elses. This Universe is a fun place to live.... Lots of mysteries..... Lots of questions. Jesus shines the light for me to see clearly. Thanks for asking... Lol
For me.... Im content. Im happy. Im at peace. Many are not me though.... Many are nothing like me... But they still deserve love as their journey is not mine!
Originally posted by kisharninmah
I think the point is: Is religion needed for a a moral compass? I say no. If anything, religion has done more harm than good. If religion works well for you as a coping mechanism, then great. That is the only good that comes from it. And yes, it is coping mechanism. It makes the the world a lot less scary if we think we have someone watching over us, that we live on after death, that we will see our loved ones again... But do not force your coping mechanism on other people or use it as an excuse for hatred and bigotry.
Originally posted by Afterinfinity
I don't need Jesus. I don't want Jesus. Real or not, the guy was admirable, but he was centuries ago and this is now. He isn't here to take me by the hand, and I don't want to delude myself into thinking he is. If you need a teddy bear or a security blanket, go back to kindergarten, because we need ADULTS in this world. People capable of looking at a problem and preparing to take it head on. We're the most capable species on this world...if we don't save it, who will? "
Originally posted by bitsforbytes
reply to post by b14warrior
Well at least some people are depriving themselves from eating some of the things otherwise we would need quite a few more farms to make enough: cow, chicken, lamb, veil, pigs, rabbits, moose, horse, fish, crocodile, buffalo, yak and snails and lettuce and tomatoes....And many many more. All for 7 billion hungry humans and still counting! Apparently, the rate of population growth is: an exponential function. So the more we are the faster more are being born. Is food production exponential? Better yet! Are food resources even available for an extra 4 billion? Is iron exponential? We eat Iron but very little of it!
Originally posted by borntowatch
Originally posted by SubAce
Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
--havent met a single person yet that follwed half of their own religions rules, muslims, jews, christians, buddhist
THEY ALL KILL
--Jehovah's Witnesses don't. In all of the wars and genocides of the 20th and 21st century no one has been killed by the hand of a Jehovah's Witness anywhere in the world.
--Because they are a seperate cult. Christian pretenders.
Originally posted by DarkATi
I have three basic rebuttals to your claim(s).
1. The Gospel of Mark says that Jesus declared all foods clean.
Mark 7:18-19, NASB
18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
Therefore, Christians have good Biblical reason to eat whatever they want. This includes lobster and pork. Your argument, or illustration, does not take this fact into account, and therefore is invalid.
MARK CHAPTER 7
THEN came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Originally posted by luciddream
When is the New new Testament(NNT) is coming? when someone will say they are the prophet and update all these ridiculous things, and possibly add few things in so it can be more factual, just like how OT > NT, 2000 yrs ago did.