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Originally posted by Fromabove
reply to post by SilentKillah
There is a reason they call it the " New Covenant."
Originally posted by ARRedNeck
reply to post by kisharninmah
Galatians 3:19-29 (New International Version)
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The above is talking about about what the purpose the old law and the new law or The Old Testament and The New Testament was. The old testament is relevant and it did serve a purpose.
The law = (The Old Testament)
The Faith = (The New Testament)
"The Message" translation sums it up quite well:
Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.
Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “ ‘ YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘ You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Originally posted by ARRedNeck
reply to post by SilentKillah
Originally posted by ARRedNeck
reply to post by kisharninmah
Galatians 3:19-29 (New International Version)
Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The above is talking about about what the purpose the old law and the new law or The Old Testament and The New Testament was. The old testament is relevant and it did serve a purpose.
The law = (The Old Testament)
The Faith = (The New Testament)
"The Message" translation sums it up quite well:
Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by kisharninmah
Originally posted by MamaJ
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by MamaJ
Why do you need Jesus in order to live a good life? Don't you have your own moral code? Would you still follow him and all of his lessons if doing that meant you would go to hell?
Why do you need anyone? Are you afraid of being alone?
See how goofy that question was?? Lol
I need Jesus because I want him. I want his light In my heart and everyone elses. This Universe is a fun place to live.... Lots of mysteries..... Lots of questions. Jesus shines the light for me to see clearly. Thanks for asking... Lol
For me.... Im content. Im happy. Im at peace. Many are not me though.... Many are nothing like me... But they still deserve love as their journey is not mine!
If you have ever studied history, the planet, the solar system, then you may too have many questions you try and answer for yourself.
This is your jouney as much as it is mine..... Answer your own questions. Seek what you may. No harm to me.
Just because I follow jesus teaching on love does not mean you are harmed in any way....
Eta.... What does hell have anything to do with what I posted prior or above? Nothing.
You run with stuff.... Assumptions are not needed when there is clearly a dialogue in the works.edit on 6-8-2012 by MamaJ because: (no reason given)
I think the point is: Is religion needed for a a moral compass? I say no. If anything, religion has done more harm than good. If religion works well for you as a coping mechanism, then great. That is the only good that comes from it. And yes, it is coping mechanism. It makes the the world a lot less scary if we think we have someone watching over us, that we live on after death, that we will see our loved ones again... But do not force your coping mechanism on other people or use it as an excuse for hatred and bigotry.
No, frankly you and the other poster MISSED MY POINT. But, thats ok... Not going to get my panties all in a bunch and freak out.
I never said anything about religion. I EVEN SAID IM NOT A CHRISTIAN..... But again... Missing points and running with assumptions is just what it is. I cant change it, cant hold your hand and tell you what to perceive when reading my words.
I dont force anything, havent implied that im forcing anything.... But hey.. Run with the assumption and go tell a friend.
My point I was making..... Oh yeah, I remember... I already made it.
You and the other poster make my point that much clearer and there is truth to it.... Its proven in this thread. So full of hate, its disgusting.
No matter what religion or non religion... The teachings of Jesus would sure benefit within this thread and the entire world.
LOVE is the message, yet running with assumptions and lies causes war.
Originally posted by shogun12
reply to post by Tardacus
Christians themselves are torn by doctrinal questions, a few of which are contained in your post. There are things you need to understand b4 you can even begin to discuss the issues brought up by the verses you quoted. (One of my personal favourites is what Bible did you get that from?)
So you may or may not want to consider things like;
What's the pale of orthodoxy?
Who is a Christian and who isn't and why do people think that?
Is Paul talking about women speaking at all in the Church or is he talking about women speaking in tongues in the Church?
It was the practice to stone a woman caught in adultery to death yet when they brought one to Jesus he let her go. Why?
What did Jesus mean when he said He was the fulfilment of the law?
The work that has gone into questions like this could easily fill up library so to just randomly pull out verses and start saying see, I told you so is absurd.
The problem that we're all dealing with (why gay rights makes the news) is that Christians have taken to legislating Christianity theocracy style. A strong faction of us want to create a Country of God, but only to create something like today's theocratic Iran.