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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Oh, you do! You just don't know it.




posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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{opinion}

The ten commandments and other "guide lines" do not exist to be a practical guide for life. They exist to remind you daily that morality is an ongoing practice and should come from within you. The morality within you was given to you by God, to guide you. With a little reminder from the ten commandments.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Fromabove
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There is a reason they call it the " New Covenant."



Ok... then quote a verse in the Bible... New or Old testament that says that anything in the Old Testament is now moot.

I've spend many many hours in church. Some days only discussing the old testament. Showed an example of my pastor using the Old Testament and our church's fish fry to prove a point that we should obey a very line that the OP posted on.

If God or Jesus wanted us to ignore the Old Testament scriptures and only follow what he was saying, he would have done so. Furthermore, nobody has ever shown that within the Old Testament there's a statement saying "This is only meant for Jews to follow".



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Religious freedom! If a person chooses to not believe in a God or believe differently than you do about God, to love someone of their own sex, what right do you have to control their life? Believe what you want. Impose it on yourself. But do not try to control other people. That is not your place or your right. Homosexuals don't want to bring their life into your life! They want you stay out of theirs! The complaint of bigotry comes for good reason. From the heinous (Many gays have been killed by "Christians"), to the many that can't get married, their rights - HUMAN RIGHTS - have been violated.

And you contradict yourself. Actions speak louder than words. what did you just tell the OP, "You must be one of them homosexuals." Many - MANY - heterosexuals are just as disgusted with so called Christians who continue forcing their beliefs upon everyone, controlling the right to marry, etc.

If you want to condemn yourself as a sinner, then go right ahead. I am human being, with flaws, who tries to make good choices, but sometimes fall short. I don't condemn my fellow human beings (or believe that any "loving God" would either) to a fiery hell for being HUMAN.
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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You said... " See, I am of the belief that if you need Jesus in your life to have a GOOD life, then you aren't really good at all. You're doing it so you go to heaven, or doing it to impress this guy, or doing it to show love for this guy. That's pathetic. You have a living, breathing, conscious child and bother or sister, parent and best friends, sitting right next to you, and only Jesus will suffice to motivate your life? Pitiful. Look around at the world you just happened to find yourself in, at all the people you love and care about, and tell me: do you NEED Jesus to motivate you to live a good life? What about the world that supports you, the family that cares about you, and the future generations you will be responsible for teaching?

I don't need Jesus. I don't want Jesus. Real or not, the guy was admirable, but he was centuries ago and this is now. He isn't here to take me by the hand, and I don't want to delude myself into thinking he is. If you need a teddy bear or a security blanket, go back to kindergarten, because we need ADULTS in this world. People capable of looking at a problem and preparing to take it head on. We're the most capable species on this world...if we don't save it, who will? "



I say...

See... This is YOUR BELIEF.... We all aint you! Nor me.... Got it? Great....

Jesus shows us how to treat one another because we are too dumb to get it. Look at this thread for an example. Hate is everywhere.... He showed us how to LOVE. Period. You dont have to know Jesus to know love nor do you have to accept him.. Its a choice for you. So be it.

What you do to others with all of your dogma is the same the christian does to you, so dont judge because as I see it you are looking just the same. Your no jesus agenda is just as disgusting.

Every single person on this planet has THE RIGHT to their own belief or non belief system. Dont knock it. Worry about YOU. While you are worried about saving the world the christian worries about their soul. Lol

Thats why MY POINT earlier was about the TEACHINGS of Jesus and how he taught his people to love.... Not hate. Accept and not judge. Dont fight. Just Love one another as yourself. The message is clear and has been clear for all who will listen, not just the christian.

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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So is that why POTUS threw Louisiana under the bus during the BP Oil spill and interfered with Gov Jindal's cleanup efforts, so as to destroy the shrimping industry there to save Christians from the plight of eating shrimp?
Seriously though, this thing has been flogged to death in many other threads here, and honestly I never knew how many Christian haters existed till I came to this board.
I found a website which talks about how people of neighboring religions were involved in pagan practices of worshiping Baal and Moloch and some dressed up as women and had sex with the men, and Leviticus may have banned it for that reason. Seems reasonable to me if it were a ban for Israelites.

www.libchrist.com...
I have to put a disclaimer here that I do not necessarily agree with everything in this website but I posted it merely as a reference to the worship of Moloch.
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Another ignorant statement. It is not just a guide.

John 14:23
John 15:14
John 8:51
Mark 10:3
There are more.... COMMANDS that Jesus gave to Christians.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by ARRedNeck
reply to post by kisharninmah
 


Galatians 3:19-29 (New International Version)

Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


The above is talking about about what the purpose the old law and the new law or The Old Testament and The New Testament was. The old testament is relevant and it did serve a purpose.

The law = (The Old Testament)
The Faith = (The New Testament)

"The Message" translation sums it up quite well:

Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Good post! Very true.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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I can wholeheartedly respect everything that you just said in response to me. In some ways, I agree with most of what you said. See... I'm not Baptist anymore, I'm Apathetic Agnostic. I believe that the control and power tactics of the Bible replaced God's actual vision for us. I don't believe that I need to worship him daily... basically just follow those good old 10 commandment's and I'll be fine in the end if he does exist. But at the same time, I have read the Bible twice through because my grandparents made me when I was a child (Baptist family). I believe in some things and not others. I cherry pick and I can admit it as an Apathetic Agnostic.

What I don't like is when people claim to be Christian and make statements such as this new to me "Old Testament is only for Jews" statements and cannot back it up by scripture. I would never say that God or Jesus wants us to do or ignore x if I can't back it up by scripture. And even still... that's only if it's something that I actually believe as plausible. So many people have done just that, and they haven't been challenged with their own word of God that say so. I truly don't think they'll find it... because it's not the case.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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You are wrong.

Romans 1:26 and 27
1 Corithians 6:9
1 Timothy 1:10



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Divorce is not really a controversial issue in most Christian churches anymore. It's just why you can or can't that causes problems. Also, If you really want to upset Christians get talking about re-marriage, a subject on which the Bible is silent. There are five positions considered to fall within the pale of orthodoxy.

That, legalism and licence, pre destination and free will, five point Calvinism, and King James only! My favourite subjects!



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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In my opinion, organized churches are heavily infiltrated by Satan who turns even fake Christians into Pharisees (like the Pharisees Jesus yelled in righteous anger at the Temple).

The Lord Jesus Christ is the God of Love. His message is LOVE and REDEMPTION, as well as GRACY and MERCY.

These are the main messages the Adversary wants church-going Christians to forget. The Adversary teaches them (within the Church) to judge and hate.

When in doubt, we can always return to Christ's words in Red on the subject in Matthew 22:36-40:



Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “ ‘ YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘ You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”


Indeed, we are all sinners and incapable of not sinning... and all sins are equal in the eyes of God, so why does the organized Church and their sheeple. However, Christ Jesus Himself said that when you're loving God and your neighbor, you are following ALL of the other laws.

Jesus did not come to Earth to die on a cross for our sins and rise again on the third day in order to turn his followers into a judgmental, bigoted, pharisaical lot. From what Jesus taught, He hates (with righteous anger) when humans become the sin counters, which cannot help but become self-righteousness (which is inherently void of the Cross).

Indeed, the Messiah Himself focused more often on the lowly of society, such as prostitutes and lepers. Not once did He go up to a reject of society and start shouting they're going to hell. No, he LOVED them (and we have so many great examples of what that love looks like).

My hope is that Christians (Church-going and non-Church-going) would wake up and listen to Christ's words: all we have to do is love. That doesn't mean that Christians must be push-overs and throw a hippie fest. It means make wise decisions while also loving your fellow sinners.

Ultimately, God created Man in this world with the fundamental principle of FREE WILL so that each person can choose (freely) whether or not to love Him, as well as whether or not to follow the Law. IMHO, apart from the basics of having "Do not murder" and "Do not steal" type basic laws, mankind is supposed to have a free range of choice, which mankind chooses based on a the law of consequences. When the Nanny State legislates too much on religious things, it goes against the entire point.

In the end, judgments need to be left to the Alpha and the Omega to make. Possibly why God created that law: Do not judge others because God is the only Judge.
edit on 6-8-2012 by twoandthree because: Jesus hung out with the whores and diseased and others rejected by society... He is ALL about LOVE.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by ARRedNeck
reply to post by SilentKillah
 



Originally posted by ARRedNeck
reply to post by kisharninmah
 


Galatians 3:19-29 (New International Version)

Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


The above is talking about about what the purpose the old law and the new law or The Old Testament and The New Testament was. The old testament is relevant and it did serve a purpose.

The law = (The Old Testament)
The Faith = (The New Testament)

"The Message" translation sums it up quite well:

Until the time when we were mature enough to respond freely in faith to the living God, we were carefully surrounded and protected by the Mosaic law. The law was like those Greek tutors, with which you are familiar, who escort children to school and protect them from danger or distraction, making sure the children will really get to the place they set out for.




Thanks... that actually does part of the job. I stand corrected in that it seems to state that we no longer need to be taught the law as the only way to enter heaven, but it doesn't quite capture the statement that Jews are the only one's that were susceptible to the Old Testament (or the "Law" was I learned it).



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by kisharninmah

Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Why do you need Jesus in order to live a good life? Don't you have your own moral code? Would you still follow him and all of his lessons if doing that meant you would go to hell?


Why do you need anyone? Are you afraid of being alone?

See how goofy that question was?? Lol

I need Jesus because I want him. I want his light In my heart and everyone elses. This Universe is a fun place to live.... Lots of mysteries..... Lots of questions. Jesus shines the light for me to see clearly. Thanks for asking... Lol

For me.... Im content. Im happy. Im at peace. Many are not me though.... Many are nothing like me... But they still deserve love as their journey is not mine!

If you have ever studied history, the planet, the solar system, then you may too have many questions you try and answer for yourself.

This is your jouney as much as it is mine..... Answer your own questions. Seek what you may. No harm to me.

Just because I follow jesus teaching on love does not mean you are harmed in any way....


Eta.... What does hell have anything to do with what I posted prior or above? Nothing.

You run with stuff.... Assumptions are not needed when there is clearly a dialogue in the works.
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I think the point is: Is religion needed for a a moral compass? I say no. If anything, religion has done more harm than good. If religion works well for you as a coping mechanism, then great. That is the only good that comes from it. And yes, it is coping mechanism. It makes the the world a lot less scary if we think we have someone watching over us, that we live on after death, that we will see our loved ones again... But do not force your coping mechanism on other people or use it as an excuse for hatred and bigotry.


No, frankly you and the other poster MISSED MY POINT. But, thats ok... Not going to get my panties all in a bunch and freak out.

I never said anything about religion. I EVEN SAID IM NOT A CHRISTIAN..... But again... Missing points and running with assumptions is just what it is. I cant change it, cant hold your hand and tell you what to perceive when reading my words.

I dont force anything, havent implied that im forcing anything.... But hey.. Run with the assumption and go tell a friend.

My point I was making..... Oh yeah, I remember... I already made it.

You and the other poster make my point that much clearer and there is truth to it.... Its proven in this thread. So full of hate, its disgusting.

No matter what religion or non religion... The teachings of Jesus would sure benefit within this thread and the entire world.

LOVE is the message, yet running with assumptions and lies causes war.


It was my point because I thought it was a question of moral code. I think you sound pretty hateful yourself. And self-righteous too. I am stating my opinion like everyone else, like you. I don't claim to be an authority on anything. I am also careful not to include all Christians because I know plenty of kind hearted ones. I really don't care what you believe. To each their own. Live and let live. My point is again, don't force it on other people or dictate how others should live. If a person isn't harming you, you have no right to tell them how to live. My coping mechanisms is not yours. Period. I also think reading the bible is good but also reading other texts, studying other religions and non-religions. But is it necessary for morality - No. The Golden Rule. If LOVE is your message, then let it be your message. Everything else just seems like you liking the sound of your own voice and so called "wisdom." You and your commentary is not any different than anyone else on here.
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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My only 2 cents in this matter is that it's an old foundation that is scheduled to be demolished.

I'm not one for killing or being restrictive or restricted, but the Old Testament is severely flawed to the point it's pointless to read a gore-filled story book.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by shogun12
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Christians themselves are torn by doctrinal questions, a few of which are contained in your post. There are things you need to understand b4 you can even begin to discuss the issues brought up by the verses you quoted. (One of my personal favourites is what Bible did you get that from?)

So you may or may not want to consider things like;

What's the pale of orthodoxy?
Who is a Christian and who isn't and why do people think that?
Is Paul talking about women speaking at all in the Church or is he talking about women speaking in tongues in the Church?
It was the practice to stone a woman caught in adultery to death yet when they brought one to Jesus he let her go. Why?
What did Jesus mean when he said He was the fulfilment of the law?

The work that has gone into questions like this could easily fill up library so to just randomly pull out verses and start saying see, I told you so is absurd.




It is not so much that he let her go, but that he wanted to point out the futility of condemning others for their sins while retaining their own sinfulness. It is an issue of both judgement and forgiveness. Forgiveness of sin is one of the important things Jesus brought to us, but it is not meant to overturn the laws of the land, but to realize that sin is karma and we can overcome our karma by appealing to God for forgiveness, and thus become one with the Father, as Jesus was One with the Father.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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The problem that we're all dealing with (why gay rights makes the news) is that Christians have taken to legislating Christianity theocracy style. A strong faction of us want to create a Country of God, but only to create something like today's theocratic Iran.

The Church (and many of its followers) is presently fighting to HATE homosexuals at the civic level. Whereas, the domain of the Church is within the Church.

The World and each Country are meant, IMHO, to allow a great deal of Free Will. Those who choose Christ and follow Christ with all of their hearts, minds, and souls are blessed by God because they CHOSE to do so (especially when it's not an easy). When we take Free Will out of the equation, we create ripples of division and rebellion... and the forced never grow a heart that truly chooses the God of Love for their Salvation.

There should be no issue with allowing civic gay marriages as long as individual churches retain the ability to restrict who they allow to go through the marriage ceremony within their own walls. That is the win-win-win-win.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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A lot of you people seem to get all uppity when a bash christians thread pops up. You all stumble over yourselves trying to bash somebodies beliefs. Be proud of yourselves since your sooo smart.. Just let's me know that Jesus was right about the last days.....



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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The problem that we're all dealing with (why gay rights makes the news) is that Christians have taken to legislating Christianity theocracy style. A strong faction of us want to create a Country of God, but only to create something like today's theocratic Iran.


Interestingly, secular humanists and even religious humanists have taken to insisting upon legislating and also teaching in the schools their particular version of reality, which is steeped in the need to eliminate Absolute Truth and replace with moral relativity.





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