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The Greatest Crimes Against Humanity Are Perpetrated by People Just Doing Their Jobs

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:06 AM
reply to post by halfoldman

In the 1950's the following was written in a 15 year old boys school report:

"Certainly on the road to failure ... hopeless ... rather a clown in class ... wasting other pupils' time."

This boy was also told numerous times by family members:

"The guitar's all very well, John, but you'll never make a living out of it".

That boy was John Lennon. Imagine if he had listened (like most young people do) to those people. Imagine.

I am not saying we should encourage all young people to be rock stars or "celebrities"....I am saying we should encourage and support them to do something they love, something that will make a difference. I wonder how many children could have gone on to be a brilliant doctor, teacher, scientist or inventor, just because someone said "You can do it, I believe in you!"

Dooming them to failure before they have even been born is typical of our society.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:17 AM
reply to post by LiveForever8

I can totally agree with that, although it's not quite the message I would have taken from the earlier clip.
But for sure, it has to be in line with talents and inclinations.
Thanks for clarifying.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 01:24 AM
Everyone justifies that evil by doing their "little bit". Since they are only doing a little bit they can say well, I'm not dropping the bombs on women and children. I have to feed my kids so I pay my tax... which builds the bombs. Or write the software... that guides them to their target. Or smelt the iron... which contains the explosive. Down the chain we all help just a little bit so we can look the other way from our part in it. So we are all to blame equally then.

We helped and we denied it.

During WWII the citizens of Germany and Japan in their cities were carpet bombed, fire bombed and nuked even, for the role they played in fomenting war on the world. Whether or not they contributed or not, they were held accountable by the Allies and made to suffer in the long run for their complicity in their governments actions. That is war, a game people play thinking they can play it just a little bit.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:18 AM
reply to post by intrptr

Good points.
But were the soldiers who bombed Pearl Harbor, marched into Manchuria and did the things that happened in Europe just into it all a "little bit"?

I'd say they were in it to win it 100 percent - but yeah well ... luckily they didn't.

But soldiers are not usually the main concern of crimes against humanity.
Who brainwashed them?

We had this discussion post-apartheid SA at our Truth and Reconciliation Commission, and at the end of the day everybody wondered who was really responsible, especially for the death squads?

The actual killers claimed they were cogs in bigger machines, and the opposing politicians had some kind of "secret" deal and golden handshake.
The whole superstructure was to blame, and in its final two decades the policies of apartheid SA were very guided by outside forces, especially by the Cold War in Africa.

So they locked up one guy, under the idea that he was a "psychopath", and went too far.
Meanwhile he was the only one to really come clean.
Nobody else really came clean.

I once saw it written that the greatest crimes are committed in the name of obedience, and not in the name of rebellion.
I don't think truer words were ever written.

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 02:23 AM
reply to post by LiveForever8

What do you do?

I assassinate people, using remote control character analysis, from a remote control safehouse bunker. Then I go home and breastfeed my little ones. Read them stories from the Bible.

It's part of my job description.

(Good luck with that)

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 03:27 AM
reply to post by intrptr

Originally posted by intrptr
That is war, a game people play thinking they can play it just a little bit.


Reminds me of the following quote:

"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake." - Jeanette Rankin

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 04:46 AM
The military is the best example of this. But I think I ought to get my coat...

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 05:02 AM
Yes, and while we're all patting ourselves on the back for taking up some idealogical flag of good and evil, we'll be out on the streets and starving to death.

Our society's very core ability to function is based upon people contributing in some small way to the machinations of larger evil. Exorcising this evil can only be done by letting go of what we've accomplished.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:14 AM
They really are like drones or robots living in a fantasy land that includes, if they work hard enough, they can earn their freedom and place in society. Really, they are enriching a business that has a higher place than they do in the grand scheme of things. The larger and more monolithic the business, the more they are contributing to it while skimping out of themselves. Oil companies and Wall Street jobs pay a lot, but they take even more from the laborers because they profit many many times more. You might get 10% while the business gets 90%. You could have gotten 450,000 a year or more, and the business would still get 500,000...more than enough to cover its costs, but you only got 60,000 because that was the "going rate" for your work. The business siphons off a huge amount of what your work is worth, and they pay you as little as they can get away with while charging as much as they can get away with. Businesses operating along these lines are sociopathic. They destroy the working people slowly over time while getting bigger and bigger themselves. Then they complain when they have to pay back the money they siphoned off from the workers. They didn't earn it. They took it because the guy at the bottom was desperate and willing to take what was given to him.

Do oil companies pay the areas they milk of oil? That oil isn't entitled to them. They aren't the only ones living there. They are just claiming it and taking control of it, and then selling something that all of us as a species should be given, paying for the costs to run the business, but none of this "profit" stuff. Profit from what? It's not even "their" oil in the first place. They just say it is. It belongs to everyone.

They treat people like dogs but if you point out how they treat themselves like gods, they scream about hurting the businesses. Screw the businesses and their profit / exploitation system. They are the real leeches. (I'm really not referring to most small businesses, just the huge big businesses that grow out of the control.)

So you have these workers at oil companies and other firms that feel they are well paid, but they are contributing to the power structure we have. Sure they get paid better than their peers, but the business is leeching more out of them than they are paying a fair share. "Oh well the business has to profit?" Really? Let me guess, the business people told you it had to be that way. They are spoiled, thieving manipulators.

The only business really worth working for is your own, or a family business, where you know that your efforts are going into something that is ultimately also worth something to you. If you get sick or something, you family has your back. If you put in years of effort into working at a regular job, they will tell you too bad...the business cannot help you. A family business keeps the money in the family and benefits everyone. A regular business is only good for the owners and shareholders/ investors (aka, people with money).

Yea, so no wonder the rich get richer. And poor people are none the wiser. They grow up with these ideas that it's "part of life" to work for pennies while the business people make small fortunes. "Too bad. If you want that same money, start your own business." Yet, the business can't function without the little guys. How do they get away with it? SUpply and demand. There are plenty of little guys.

What about all those people who helped build the railroads? They were crucial in the development of the USA's infrastructure, but they probably got paid very little compared to what Rockefeller and the financiers made. These little guys were so important. It would be impossible without them, and they got paid barely anything relative to what their work was worth. So, it's another case of the little guys sacrificing their lives to build up a nation that will only further exploit the future generations the same.

It's all a matter of who is desperate. Lots of people who can do your job? Desperate. Low wage earner. Cheap labor. Cheap 'human resource.' And, the more people there are, the worse it's going to get. The cheaper the labor becomes. That is why I strongly believe they are just fine with the population being high and even growing in some areas. They certainly are not going to kill off their cheap labor force. The GA Guidestones are a load of crock if you ask me. Nobody knows who put it there, but people believe it anyway. It was probably put there to scare you and mislead you. They have no plans to kill of the labor force they leech from. We are their lifeblood.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:46 AM
reply to post by LiveForever8

I actually agree with this article 100%. If we do not start realizing we are our brothers keeper, and start doing what we can to help people within our given ability to do so our situation will only worsen. I have had this theory for a while, and in my own job capacity I try to do as much good as I can, without getting fired. The problem is a lot of people look at this as a weakness and if you do it too much you'll get passed up for a promotion or worse fired. Then society and future employers look at you as unemployable.

Its the system of the Beast if you are a religious person, if not you aren't religious, its easy to see that our system is not conducive to our human needs. Working to screw the next guy as much as possible runs counter to our human nature. Many of those that enjoy this type of thing rise to the top and are admired as "successful." I think its time people start honoring those whom have nothing as a result of standing up, even in a minor way, and refusing to screw the next guy for the sake of earning a few extra bucks.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 07:01 AM
reply to post by LiveForever8

Along the lines of your Albert Einstein quote, Edmund Burke once said that "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing (about it)." As we morph more into a police state it wont be just the anonymous bureaucrats that are amoral cogs in the machine of government it will also be the police and military. The lesson from the Nuremburg trials was that "I was just following orders" is no excuse for doing evil. Law enforcement (civilian or military) that is asked to violate the rights of U.S. citizens will have to ask themselves if they are violating their legal oath and moral obligation to the republic (which supercedes their duty to the current government issuing orders). Do they want to be "dumb animals" (Henry Kissinger) when it comes to following orders to arrest citizens and take them to a camp (where some one else who is "departmentalized" will receive a new set of orders to carry out) or do they want to preserve the Constitution and with it the principles for which this nation stands? Of course, tptb are passing "laws" and "EOs" (color of law) to make illegal orders look legal (NDAA, etc).
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:47 AM
reply to post by LiveForever8

Everyone should be able to read the article you have linked. Thanks for bringing it here. If I may...

These armies of bureaucrats serve a corporate system that will quite literally kill us. They are as cold and disconnected as Mengele. They carry out minute tasks. They are docile. Compliant. They obey. They find their self-worth in the prestige and power of the corporation, in the status of their positions and in their career promotions. They assure themselves of their own goodness through their private acts as husbands, wives, mothers and fathers. They sit on school boards. They go to Rotary. They attend church. It is moral schizophrenia. They erect walls to create an isolated consciousness. They make the lethal goals of ExxonMobil or Goldman Sachs or Raytheon or insurance companies possible. They destroy the ecosystem, the economy and the body politic and turn workingmen and -women into impoverished serfs. They feel nothing. Metaphysical naiveté always ends in murder. It fragments the world. Little acts of kindness and charity mask the monstrous evil they abet. And the system rolls forward. The polar ice caps melt. The droughts rage over cropland. The drones deliver death from the sky. The state moves inexorably forward to place us in chains. The sick die. The poor starve. The prisons fill. And the careerist, plodding forward, does his or her job.

Somebody ought to carve a Rosetta Stone with those words on it and bury it in a desert in the Southwest for descendants to find 10,000 years from now.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't realize you already put that part up.

edit on 6-8-2012 by intrptr because: apology

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 12:13 PM
reply to post by intrptr

No problem, repeat it a hundred times for all I care.

I think it's that good.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:23 PM
reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck

when contemplating what we have acomplished we must also contemplate that wich we have not.and,what was the original goal?advance as a spiece,in all areas.wile i know advancement has been done i keep seeing the problems of them reaching the individuals and wile a few enjoy to the fullest,the majority is left out of the loop.with what morals or love for humanity?o yes we have sports to teach us that game of the best wins the cookie.struggles for health,equality,food,technology you name it ,its a problem some were on earth.and at the end of the day its usually down to did currency become the biggest problem we face?it is clear we have management problems on global scale.i can not reasson why a single person should be starving or with out a home or poor health.its just inconsivable at this point in advancement.selfishness is the problem in the management area and cascades down..what authority started ownership on earth?force,the same that reinvented law and sells it as justice.2,012 years to show for and yet facing danger of another ww.remarkable!, and i wont even go into the knowledge subject.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 06:45 PM
Good thread, and let's not forget vaccines, they have caused millions of deaths worldwide, far worse than the Holocaust. Vaccines are a grave crime against humanity, but most of the people administering them have been completely brainwashed that vaccines will 'save lives'.

posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:18 AM
reply to post by halfoldman

Originally posted by halfoldman
Not that I know much about Hedges, but I'm a bit confused.

He got his MA in divinity studies, but now he claims he's a socialist.

Yet he randomly seems to include Stalin's mass murders as part of a "capitalist campaign" of private profiteering?
What nonsense.

He's taken some obvious truths, but he's also twisted them a hell of a lot.

From what I see free trade between people is what will increase productivity, happiness and a true concern for the environment.

Socialist countries are the biggest regional polluters, the least concerned with human rights, and the least concerned with their poor.

I'm not sure if he remembers the pre-1991 Soviet Union?
They didn't give a stuff about the environment or human rights?
Now that was socialism.

At least in free-market countries people can choose global brands and companies for their environmental and cultural policies, but where is socialism democratic?
Global trade and consumer choice is the best thing to ever happen to global prosperity and the environment.

What gives him the right to speak for the planet - is he speaking for people in North Korea where there is no global competition because it's a socialist dictatorship?

What country wants no free market trade?

I could agree with you if free market trade is what we have. We do not. We have regulated markets that kill the spirit of free trade. We have illegal markets that kill the spirit of free trade. You know, I could live a very happy life as a farmer of a certain plant....a plant that can provide nutrition, energy, recreation....I cannot because selfish, profit motivated free market businessmen decreed long before I was born that to harvest a plant such as this would be illegal for the farmer. On top of that...these so called free market thinkers would incarcerate my ass for going against their will.

We do not have a free market economy. We have a planned corporatist economy that cares nothing for the lone individul that seeks to earn a living that brings them peace of mind.

If we truly had a free market economy the black market would not exist.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:25 AM
There is a great treatise on this subject, though the authors name currently escapes me, entitled "The Banality of Evil" and it addresses this very subject.

There seems to be a lot about our morality that directly links to current or perceived "social norms". IE if the Jones are beating their kids, and the Smiths are slapping their offspring around - well then you can bet that the Johnsons wll start doing it too. Once something becomes part of a social fabric and is accepted by the group - it loses its label as taboo or wrong.

And if someone in power were to come along and put a stop to the Jones', Smiths', and Johnsons' behavior - later on it would be nearly impossible to make them understand that what they'd been doing is wrong.

We perceive evil,probably due to literature and media, as something very out of the ordinary... demonic and monstrous things... when in fact most evil has no real devious or well thought out agenda. It simply is.

You know. like lawyers!


posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:44 AM
reply to post by Hefficide

Hey Heff

The treatise you mention is by Hannah Arendt and is mentioned in the full article.

Contemporary evil is viewed as a choice, nobody is born evil and therefore any descent into evil deeds must be a choice, unless of course the individual is mentally ill, but that wasn't the case during the holocaust. As Arendt points out, most of those involved were "normal" (whatever that means) and made their decisions based on mundane stimuli such as it being a good career move.

One challange to this is the study into psychopaths. Studies have argued that the brain patterns of perceived psychopaths all show similarities. Most notably in the areas that control social interaction and empathy, as well as aggression centers.

More research is needed but it is a very interesting topic.

I suppose it comes down to two basic questions...

Are there evil people? Or just people who do evil things?
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:22 AM
reply to post by LiveForever8

Some might get a kick out of a study done in the early 60's. How low will we go?

Milgram Experiment

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