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Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
" Few in the world will resist conversion"
Originally posted by krossfyter
Also whats this about sacrifices being made? What kind of sacrifices and for what? Surely not for salvation. The sacrifice for salvation and to enter heaven has already been made through Jesus Christ on the cross. Its finished. All you need to do is believe it and accept it. You don't need to worry or give a wooden nickle about the immaculate heart of Mary. Belive me I am not trying to dog Mary... Just putting her in her place in relation to God. Mary is just blessed because she was choosen to physically carry out the God in human flesh plan. Thats her only position. Jesus never asked us to pray to her or give her any more importance then that.
25. :Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. 26. Jesus, therefore, seeing his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing by her, saith to his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27. Then he saith to the disciple, :Behold thy mother! And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own home.
And Mary said:
"My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord and my spirit exults in God my savior; because he has looked upon his lowly handmaid.
Yes, from this day foward all generations will call me blessed, for the Almighty has done great things for me.
Holy is his name, and his mercy reaches from age to age for those who fear him.
He has shown the power of his arm, he has routed the proud of heart.
He has pulled down princes from their thrones and exalted the lowly.
The hungry he has filled with good things, the rich he has sent away empty.
He has come to help Israel his servant, mindful of his mercy -- according to the promise he made to our ancestors -- to Abraham and to his descendants forever."
"On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, and Jesus and His disciples had also been invited to the wedding. When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to Him, "They have no more wine." "Dear woman, why do you involve Me?" Jesus replied. "My time has not yet come." His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." (John 2:1-5)
IV. No death, no illness, no necessity of work and eating
Sunday, November 13, 1994:
After Communion, I saw circles of light in the sky which were like angels. Then I saw festivities on earth in a huge celebration, Jesus said: "I want you to see and appreciate My triumph when it comes. You will see a beauty on earth that will astound all those worthy to see My day. Know that in those days you will all be of age in your twenties with glorified bodies. This will be a taste of heaven on earth. You will see sun by day and My light by My heavenly luminaries, the angels, by night. For a thousand years there will be no death, no illness, and no necessity to eat or work. You will see Me face to face periodically. Life will be so joyful that you will be ever praising Me and thanking Me for all I have lavished on you. Your eternal life with Me will be My most precious gift to those who accepted Me and followed My ways. Keep this hope on My day uppermost in your mind and your goal of this life will stay in focus with prayer."
Originally posted by krossfyter
Its mary dogma i tell you. She is a non diety... why worship her as so? Its blasphmous. I think too many people over step some biblical boundries when adoring Mary. Mary is undoubtedly blessed among women (Luke 1:42). But, is it appropriate to attribute to her such titles as "Our Queen, Our Mother, Our Life, Our Sweetness, and Our Hope"? I cannot see how. Was she sinless? It would seem not since she said she needed a savior in Luke 1:47, "And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior."Did she remain a virgin after the birth of Jesus? Again, it seems not since Matt. 1:25 says that Joseph, ". . .kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus." Does she mediate and intercede for sinners? Again, the scriptures seem to contradict this when it states that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5). Is she exalted above all angels? There is no scripture stating so. Can she simultaneously hear the prayers of countless people all over the world in different languages? Again, there is nothing in God's word to lead us to believe this.
There recently has been a movement in catholics to request for the pope to excersice papal infallibility in decalaring Mary to be called "Co-Redemptrix Mediatrix of All Graces, and Advocate for the People of God." To its credit the catholic church as rejected that request but its a telling statement to the adoration of mary from the majority of catholics even when it crosses biblical boundries.
Then the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
"And He answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says: 'You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive. For this people's heart has grown dull, and their ears are heavy of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should perceive with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for Me to heal them.'"
"But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear." (Matthew 13:1-16 RSV)
Originally posted by Megaquad
Look, when Jesus came, jews said he was blasphemous and they never accepted him yet they were chosen people by god.
There are many books and saints with writers inspired by god and holy ghost.
You should pray to God for truth about all that because I don't think you are thinking in right way.
You are convinced to something and you wont accept anything else, which isn't good when it comes to God.
Look at the quotes i gaved you, they show pretty much everything, "Yes, from this day foward all generations will call me blessed, for the Almighty has done great things for me."
She has no sins? You think God would allow that much blasphemy in his house? Do you know how many miraculous healings have happend because people prayed to mary (my own family included)? What about revelations of Mary in Fatima, Lourdes and Medjugorje? Are they all lies? No way man, you can't state such claims, study it a bit more if you want and think about this:
something is going on definitly but i wouldnt say its all good. most people who i talk to who believe like this put Mary on the same level as Jesus. thats very unhealthy. When you think about satans plan and job to disrupt the truth in any way possible it wouldnt be far fetched to think that he would go as far as to make people redirect the lone importance of Jesus to Mary.... making them think they are doing good in the eyes of God etc. satans pretty d a m n clever and he doesnt just operate on cliche trite traditional levels of good and bad. i am not here to tell you that what your familiy has expierenced is good or bad. i cant do that. i just want you and others to get a load of the concept i am presenting for i beleive its valid, reasonable and logical regardless if you dont believe it or not. I much rather not pray to Mary but rather pray to Jesus when it comes down to it. Because Jesus is the one who saves... cant go wrong about that. WIll i get jacked by God for not understanding Mary like you say... i highly doubt it. no where in the bible does it say or allude to one being sent to hell or having a bad life for not representing Mary properly. Its widely understood and known by those who dont believe and do believe that the only way one is sent to hell is by not accepting Jesus as savior. so in the grand scheme of things why should I put any trust in Mary? What does it profit me if i do.... that I dont have with Jesus? Jesus provides me with everything I need.
[Edited on 26-4-2003 by krossfyter]
Originally posted by Megaquad
yeah it's me
Originally posted by krossfyter
cool man. welcome aboard. surprised to see you hear.. but then again im not with that alien abduction thread you posted there its not that surprising you come here. how did you find out about this place man?
oh and macs do rule!
OSX kicks a s s
Originally posted by helen670
I actually do not agree with the '''Fatima Prophecies''
The children were sceptical at first........
The children were told by the'''vision'' that it was to be kept a secret ........to only listen to '''her'' and then when she tells them to ,only will they tell others.........
The ''''vision''' also speaks only on '''her behalf''' and not in the beleief of '''Father Son and Holy Spirit'''
did the children test the ''vision''to see if it was from God???........they were frightened...........
The '''vision'' that they saw was not from God.......
Why tell the children to come back in 10 days???
Or come back on the ?date of the month???
Why so secret???
'''the Cross'''crucifiction of Jesus Christ is the sign of Christianity.......it is with the Cross that Jesus Christ conquered The Evil.............it is in defense of the Christian Faith.........
The children did not speak of anything significant........only that the '''vision'' was beautiful.....how can something 'beautiful 'be Evil???............It just does not make sense...........