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End Apathy began in 2005 and the concept was based on trying to figure out what it would take to actually accomplish positive results in society and what is holding us back. A lot of what I realized at the time was that if we could figure out how to end peoples apathetic ways it would be the start towards moving forward. Of course after that it requires discipline, strict discipline to stay the course in our sick society. So, in a sense it was view of psychology and sociology. But I didn’t want to just point the finger at what other people should do, but also I was willing to point out some of my faults on how I was holding myself back. And that is how I wrote the song “Self Destruct”t
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TsukiLunar
I hope that is not what they are talking about. If so, then that means the the cops were the murderers, and the guy shot dead was a hero trying to stop them. Oh wait I think I misunderstood what you were saying lol.
One of the witness videos for those that missed it.
Here is another
edit on Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:25:23 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
This is the exact pattern we have seen in past staged events.
UPDATE: A family member whose parents were victims of the shooting said his parents told him there were "multiple shooters" involved in a "coordinated" attack.
An eyewitness to the Sikh temple shooting in Wisconsin says that a team of four men dressed in black carried out the massacre, contradicting the official narrative that a lone gunman was the culprit.
Just like the 'Batman' massacre, after which eyewitnesses clearly stated that James Holmes had an accomplice, today's tragedy in Oak Creek is already throwing up questions that may suggest a wider plot.
Originally posted by Diluted
first of, 2 things come to my mind. Comment about Sikhs and Olympics poster thread. second, is the fact I think this guy thought it was a muslim place of worship. So close for religious war, he thought, but he didn't know the difference. Any info on them? Any tensions in Europe?
It was the latest violence against the Sikh community in the United States in apparent misdirected revenge for the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
I predict more and more shootings, not because the gun isn't regulated, not because they are legal to own, but because people are losing their damned minds because we live in a sick society and there are any number of psychological tragedies that can attribute to someone losing their mind and doing something horrendous....
Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
I agree. If you listen to the radio transmissions it is clear there are several officers present. I don't know why errant MSM reports are taken as evidence of a conspiracy. The only conspiracy they are evidence of is the immense cover up of the pervasive incompetence, lack of ethics, and total lack of regard for trying to get the truth out that has saturated mainstream media news "coverage".
Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by TruthPhilic
This was a Neo Nazi band. There is no way he would be visiting the Temple for enlightenment . Give me a break.
Originally posted by Sek82
I'd characterize him as being "averagely decorated".
3–7. Types of administrative discharges/character of service
b. General discharge:
(1) A general discharge is a separation from the Army under honorable conditions. When authorized, it is issued to a Soldier whose military record is satisfactory but not sufficiently meritorious to warrant an honorable discharge.
(2) A characterization of under honorable conditions may be issued only when the reason for separation specifically
allows such characterization. It will not be issued to Soldiers solely upon separation at expiration of their period of
enlistment, military service obligation, or period for which called or ordered to AD.
c. Under other than honorable conditions discharge: A discharge under other than honorable conditions is an
administrative separation from the Service under conditions other than honorable. It may be issued for misconduct,
fraudulent entry, security reasons, or in lieu of trial by court martial in the following circumstances:
(1) When the reason for separation is based upon a pattern of behavior that constitutes a significant departure from
the conduct expected of Soldiers of the Army.
(2) When the reason for separation is based upon one or more acts or omissions that constitutes a significant
departure from the conduct expected of Soldiers of the Army. Examples of factors that may be considered include the following: (go to the link for long list of reasons)
Originally posted by harryhaller
This guy was ex military ... that's a whole other hand grenade.
The 'person of interest' that the Federal Bureau of Investigations was interested in talking with in connection with the temple shooting investigation has been identified, contacted, and ruled out as having anything to do with the incident, FBI spokesman Leonard Peace said at 2:45 p.m.
Page joined the Army in 1992 and was administratively discharged in 1998 at the rank of specialist, according to an Army statement. The Associated Press - quoting two defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity - reported Page was demoted for getting drunk while on duty and going AWOL. Page also received extra duty and was fined.
During his time in the Army, Page was a repairman for the Hawk missile system before becoming a psychological operations specialist, said a defense official. Psy-ops specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for information and psychological effect.
Page was never deployed, the Army said.
About six to eight years ago, Page got a job at Cape Fear Harley Davidson as a parts coordinator, said general manager John Tew.
Tew recalled Page as quiet but odd, dressing in boots, high socks and shorts similar to what neo-Nazis are portrayed to wear in movies. He had many tattoos and was bald, though Tew didn't know whether that was because he kept his head shaved or because he had lost all his hair.
"He started off as a good worker, kept very quiet to himself, but executed his position well," Tew said.
Page took orders from service writers describing repairs needed for customers' motorcycles and delivered the parts to the mechanics. Trouble started because one of the service writers was female, Tew said.
"He cussed my service writer out," Tew said. "Basically because he felt that she was beneath him giving him orders, and in fact she was over him. ... He didn't like taking orders from any female."
Despite warnings, the clashes continued and Tew fired Page.
Tew said Page did not come in contact with customers, and he recalled no racial incidents involving him until the day Page was fired. After Page was gone, Tew found an application for joining the Ku Klux Klan on Page's desk.
"I threw that in the trash can," Tew said. "He came back looking for it. And I told him I discarded that. He got all chapped again."