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Mass Shooting at Oak Creek, WI

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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I agree. If you listen to the radio transmissions it is clear there are several officers present. I don't know why errant MSM reports are taken as evidence of a conspiracy. The only conspiracy they are evidence of is the immense cover up of the pervasive incompetence, lack of ethics, and total lack of regard for trying to get the truth out that has saturated mainstream media news "coverage".




posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Update on the Girlfriend Connection (maybe something, maybe nothing)...

Wade Page's girlfriend, Misty, was/is a student at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (Article 1), which is the same school that Swarnjit Arora, an executive member of the temple, is a teacher at (Article 2).

Article 1: www.jsonline.com...
Article 2: www.businessweek.com...

For a conspiracy take, Swamjit Arora has consulted for both the World Bank & Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.
edit on 8/6/2012 by thomasblackraven because: Added info on Arora.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Oh, I don't take it as some grand conspiracy, I take it as ineptitude. Not only the MSM but also the Greenfield Police Chief originally stated there was one cop...then two...now 3 or more. Audio notwithstanding, even the police can't get their story straight.

Again, not evidence of a wicked conspiracy, just ineptitude.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by thomasblackraven
Update on the Girlfriend Connection (maybe something, maybe nothing)...

Wade Page's girlfriend, Misty, was/is a student at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (Article 1), which is the same school that Swarnjit Arora, a founding member of the temple, is a teacher at (Article 2).

Article 1: www.jsonline.com...
Article 2: www.businessweek.com...



Also on Monday, a volunteer human-rights group called Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) found links between Page, his band and a white supremacist website called Stormfront.


Well, that clinches it for me. He was a big phat ugly-faced hater.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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One of the comments on this shooting I was reading was opining on the "Liberal Media Bias" calling Page a Domestic Terrorist.

"White Male Christians are always blamed in the Media." And they managed to dredge up two events that weren't white Male Christian. The Colorado batman shooting is now somehow connected to OWS -- in the minds of angry white male Christians.

The Sikhs alone have complained of 700 hate related crimes against them since 9/11/2001 -- because haters can't be bothered with distinctions between them and Muslims -- not that Muslims in America haven't seen attacks, as well.

Well, the White Male Christians have been complaining of persecution since Oprah first went on the air. Being a White Male, I could relate to the "blame us for everything" when watching the Human Resources video tapes about how to act in the work place, and the culprit was always "cranky old white dude." But that mild annoyance is nothing compared to everyone else in this country and the amount of crap they have to deal with of "fitting the profile". A million Archie Bunkers want sympathy while they daily dish out offenses without even realizing it. So finally they've got some "prejudice" because of a few bad, white eggs. It doesn't matter that 99% of the attacks we get weekly in this country are angry white males who are more often than not going to church. Because we were told that some Muslims hit us on 9/11 -- it's OK for them to associate 1.5 Billion Muslims with violence. Because all they hear from the Middle East is violence. Do they understand that's the ONLY NEWS they would hear? Do they not get that there is far more random violence in this country than most places in the world?

But I don't know if this Page fellow is a church goer -- he's just a white supremacist, who attacked a church of Sikhs. If it isn't a hate crime, then it's a confused act of random hate.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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so we think this was a hate crime committed by the boyfriend of a girl who attends the same college where the sikh temple director is also the principle / ?

its fast , convincing , is a symptom of dangerous weapon owners , 1 1/2 lines , bar explanation of a motivation
good work who was on that , if it adds up, v good


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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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The FBI agent held up this photo and stated they are trying to identify this person and he is a "person of interest".


During the Q & A someone asked about why he was a "person of interest" and the reply was he had shown up at the scene after the shooting and left before he could be questioned.

Police chief: The person of interest is showed up at the scene after the shooting. Witness said he looks suspicious. #templeshooting
@newshub



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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It doesn't matter that 99% of the attacks we get weekly in this country are angry white males who are more often than not going to church.


Not buying that one. Just throw in gang violence and leave everything else out and those numbers still go 'ka-poof'.

...and religion will save us...yeah, that's it.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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When I heard he was of stormfront I was like "The website?" Well I went to the website and found some funny and very sad crap.

Wont post the content though, I think that is a huge violation of T&C. ATS doesn't even let sites like that link to them.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Possible picture of shooter?

A search on bandmix.com for 'End Apathy' leads to a profile of a 40 year old man from South Milwaukee, WI. He lived in South Milwaukee prior to moving to Cudahy.


edit on 6-8-2012 by 79ymaot because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Thats him.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by thomasblackraven
Update on the Girlfriend Connection (maybe something, maybe nothing)...

Wade Page's girlfriend, Misty, was/is a student at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee (Article 1), which is the same school that Swarnjit Arora, a founding member of the temple, is a teacher at (Article 2).

Article 1: www.jsonline.com...
Article 2: www.businessweek.com...



Also on Monday, a volunteer human-rights group called Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) found links between Page, his band and a white supremacist website called Stormfront.


Well, that clinches it for me. He was a big phat ugly-faced hater.



FTA:

Page described as quiet, "not a friendly guy"
... He was described at the time as 5-10, 210 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. He was single and had a scar on his stomach and tattoos, including lettering on his hands, a Celtic knot on his back and fire on his leg.

From the description, if there is ever a movie, I'm guessing Page won't be played by Brad Pitt.
Apparently, he just lost his girl friend before the shooting.

I'm 210 lbs but I'm a bit taller, so I'm guessing this guy was quite a package. Well, that clinches it for me. He was a big phat ugly-faced hater. Not enough blind chubby-chaser girls in this world for every man.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Here is a video of the "person of interest".



This is a video of a man seen in the staging area where Sikh temple members and other were waiting. He had a 9-11-01 tatoo on his right arm. He was using a smart phone to videotape groups of Sikhs in the crowd. Tips can be called in at 800-CALLFBI.

Youtube via JSOnline



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by roadgravel



It doesn't matter that 99% of the attacks we get weekly in this country are angry white males who are more often than not going to church.


Not buying that one. Just throw in gang violence and leave everything else out and those numbers still go 'ka-poof'.

...and religion will save us...yeah, that's it.



I'm talking about specific hate crimes. Gang violence is it's own category -- and I'm doubting the Police even report half of it.

There are on average 25 shootings a day in the USA. But most of those are drugs and other "normal crimes". When we get to crimes done for no other reason but to intimidate -- you get the "white Christian Male". Since we use the term "terrorism" to describe every bombing that a non-white engages in, it's merely being fair with the "domestic terrorist" to start applying that term when it's a white guy. And of the "terrorism" going on in the USA -- it's been CWM for quite some time.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by 79ymaot
Possible picture of shooter?


edit on 6-8-2012 by ZIPMATT because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by OhZone
I see this one as just more proof that trying to make this country multicultural was/is a big mistake.
TPTB know this. They have always known this. They are playing divide and conquer.
So now we have mizerable white folk and mizerable other.
And still, knowing how white folk feel about them, they continue to pour in.



If this country weren't "multicultural" -- if TPTB were manipulating us to get at each others throats -- doesn't it stand to reason that they'd be having people of the same "monoculture" at each other's throats?

In Ireland, the white Christians who were Protestant were feuding with the white Christians who were Catholic. The Arabs and Israelis are basically, genetically the same -- their difference is religious identification. The Afghans have been invaded numerous times, and now the tribes can be hired to kill another tribe -- they've been warring within their same monoculture for hundreds of years when not warring with invaders.

While I agree that TPTB are always distracting and dividing (notice how everyone forgot about LIBOR after the Batman shooter and the Chick-Fil-A nonsense?) -- it wasn't a MISTAKE that America is multicultural -- it's a "mistake" for children to hate other groups of people.

The mistake is to find excuses to be evil.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Masters in bloodshed. Remove the white and blue from that flag.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Drudge says he was a psychological operations specialist, and that piece of work, Holmes, was a Neurology Student.

Whats with the "mental studies" ?



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
 


I agree. If you listen to the radio transmissions it is clear there are several officers present. I don't know why errant MSM reports are taken as evidence of a conspiracy. The only conspiracy they are evidence of is the immense cover up of the pervasive incompetence, lack of ethics, and total lack of regard for trying to get the truth out that has saturated mainstream media news "coverage".




There's no down-side or penalty in the Media for "being wrong" -- only for being late. If they get something wrong, they can then get people linking to that and the "controversy" over the event. For every incident in America, there can be a thousand versions of "THE TRUTH" and they all get the same merit. Is there some paper of authority that we can rely on to be the record? Not really -- because those papers don't really cover the "edge stuff" if it hurts an advertiser. So the "digging" is done by the non-established media. The bottom-feeders are most of the media rushing to beat the blogs and get links. Then the pundits merely debate the controversy and apply it's logic to whatever special interest they've attached the last 10 events to. Everybody tells us "what this means" in the big picture -- but who really tells us "what happened"? There's no point debating what something means if you don't know "WHAT" it was in the first place.

But everyone will get an article that justifies what they already believed to be true. One truth for each and every world view.


I'm sure that the White Supremacist groups will echo with equal measures of pride in a man who would act and a feeling of persecution. As if one didn't discredit the other. I guarantee you, that these deep thinkers won't get the irony of a Sikh church getting attacked in retaliation for a belief that Muslims are so violent.



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