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Mass Shooting at Oak Creek, WI

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall
More info on the 9th POB:
www.psywarrior.com...


From the link Above



Persuading rather than compelling physically, they rely on logic, fear, desire or other mental factors to promote specific emotions, attitudes or behaviors. The ultimate objective of U.S. military psychological operations and civil affairs is to convince enemy, neutral, and friendly nations and forces to take action favorable to the United States and its allies.




The purpose of psychological operations (PSYOP) is to demoralize the enemy by causing dissension and unrest among his ranks, while at the same time convincing the local population to support American troops. PSYOP units also provide continuous analysis of the attitudes and behavior of enemy forces to the tactical commanders in the field, so they can develop, produce and employ propaganda in a successful manner.





2nd Psychological Operations Group



The 4th Psychological Operations Group



7th Psychological Operations Group

We have in the logos above, a knight (horsehead), olympic type flame and lightening bolts.

For quotable quotes we have:

"Veritas" meaning truth, was the goddess of truth, a daughter of Saturn and the mother of Virtue.

"Verbum Vincet" The Word Will Conquer

"Support by truth"

Considering their main purpose is to lie ....

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Look at Google map; see how many Islamic Temples are around the area, you actually think that he didn't know the difference,
This is so wrong by him living in Colorado and why the Sikh is there a connection with this group to him?



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Originally posted by Valhall
What I find interesting about the Texas charge is that the statute he was arrested under includes graffiti on other people's property.

Just sayin'.
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The police sometimes pad an arrest report with every damage a suspect has committed. But it's getting a bit silly when we have "murdered 8, wounded 14, and tagged walls with spray paint." Maybe the police officer was not fully convinced this (killing unchristian foreigners) was a bad thing, and wanted to bring up hygiene as well. This is Texas, after all, not to sound prejudiced -- but you can't be sure that graffiti doesn't put it higher on the priority list than a charge of "threatened American employs extreme 'Stand Your Ground' defense."

If the Sikhs were wearing Hoodies -- I'm sure the defense will use that as Probable Cause.

/ and no, this is not Gallows humor.


Why don't you take your vitriol and angst somewhere else, okay? You're putting words in my mouth. I did NOT state that the Texas charge was for graffiti. I was pointing out that the crimincal mischief misdemeanor charge he faced referenced a statute that INCLUDED graffiti. It was a matter of just sharing information because of the reports that there had been a temple in the Milwaukee area recently vandalized with graffiti.

Your attitude toward my post was really uncalled for.


Sorry, no "attitude" intended. Nor was I putting words in your mouth. Just an observation that Texas has a lax attitude towards guns but has no tolerance for street artists.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.

washington.cbslocal.com...



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Not sure about the connection with the Sikh... other than that someone mentioned a possible tie with his ex-girlfriend, that no one really seems to know the details of.
My point on Colorado was that maybe we need to be looking at a possible connection as to why so many people in CO are snapping as of late... and they seem to have psych training in one form or another. This point of course just hits into my inner "conspiracy theorist", and has no concrete basis yet



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by CALGARIAN
CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.

washington.cbslocal.com...


It appears their enlist date is wrong because he has a Co. A 9th POB address associated with him in November 1990. It would make sense that he got a less than honorable discharge since his driving while impaired and other petty criminal activities in NC were during the time he was enlisted.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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News conference live stream......

livewire.wisn.com

For anyone interested.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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I hope we get some good info.

2nd.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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he was in a psychological operations unit in 1994?

WOW - things are adding up



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Okay, so I haven't posted on here before, but I just saw something that I'm not sure has been covered in this thread as of yet, and it seems to be pretty significant to this topic if it is true. If this has already been brought up in this thread, I apologize. There are so many posts here already that I may have missed it.

Anyway, apparently Amardeep Kaleki is the son of one of the victims in this massacre. Also, I understand that Amardeep Kaleki is the same man who is helping Stephen Greer with the SIRIUS film? Now, I don't have much confidence in Stephen Greer being legitimate in his claims, but if this Amardeep Kaleki is the same man, I do find it to be an extremely odd coincidence. Is it at all possible that there is some validity to the Stephen Greer project and that Amardeep Kaleki was actually the target of this shooting? I know I'm drawing some pretty radical conclusions here, but it is an interesting line of thought...



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by CALGARIAN
CBS News reports that Page enlisted in the Army in April 1992 and was given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He was last stationed in Fort Bragg, N.C., serving in the psychological operations unit.

washington.cbslocal.com...

I'm just getting up so thanks for the update... So, he did his 6 years on the hitch that MOS required then got a boot out the door. Sounds about right so far? Funny....how coincidences work out. I was enlisting damn near the same time he was... a bit later, actually. Guess what MOS?


It was Psychological Warfare or Counterintelligence. Apparently my scores made both open..so, 'But for the grace of God, go I'. It's almost spooky. There weren't THAT many places for a psy-op guy to go in the mid 90's. If a foot infection that MEPS almost threw me out of the building for hadn't ended my military hopes earlier....I could have been at a desk next to this guy. Small world and weird ways things work out.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Live briefing starting now.

www.jsonline.com...



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Yes, I made that observation earlier too. I looked up the film, its your typical alien disclosure documentary except now it is tied to this shooting through Amardeep's father who was slain. I suspect there may be a connection too. Hopefully the film will still be released in December of this year.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Watching the press conference now. First discrepancy: media initially stated there was only one officer on scene, he was fired upon and killed the gunman in return. Official police statement later on changed that to two officers on scene, one shot multiple times and the second officer fatally wounding the gunman.

As of this press conference, 2 officers has morphed into 3 or more...they aren't clear on exact numbers. Apparently the first officer was shot 9 times, 2 or more officers arrived shortly thereafter and took cover, the gunman fired upon them and missed, and one of the officers fatally shot the gunman with a squad rifle.

It it just me or are they skewing this to steadily appear more heroic? More dramatic?
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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by mrnoah2012
Look at Google map; see how many Islamic Temples are around the area, you actually think that he didn't know the difference,
This is so wrong by him living in Colorado and why the Sikh is there a connection with this group to him?


My first guess is that this man doesn't have all his marbles.

We will find out as more details arrive -- but he went on a shooting spree. It probably wasn't much more than that Sikh's kind of "fit the description" with the turbans and dark skin. I could be wrong -- however. But he's probably a person who's hostilities are deep but understanding is at the cartoon level.

I find it strange however, if he was involved in Military Psych work as some have mentioned , as if it backfired. Also; why is the military hiring bigoted people to do this job in the first place?

FTA:

The Los Angels Times is reporting that the shooting suspect had tattoos that lead them to label the incident as domestic terrorism. The paper's FBI source apparently asked for anonymity because they didn't have the authority to speak to the media. The source stopped short of saying the gunman belonged to a hate group associated with violence.

However, ABC News is reporting sources have told them the suspected gunman belonged to a white supremacist group.


One of the tattoos commemorates 9/11.

And now, updated at 10:05AM we find;

Page is the former leader of a neo-Nazi music group called End Apathy.
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Remind me not to be so down about being more of a "thinker" than a doer" some time.

And this comment;

Sikhs reel after 'senseless' attack: We're not 'Taliban'

Good luck with that. For a crazed dude, apparently "fitting the profile" is enough. It's not enough that 19 "alleged" people who might have been Muslim represent 1.5 Billion people -- now it's spilling over to the 30 million in the Sikh religion, it's only affiliation is head gear and a tendency towards non-european features.


U.S. Army officials say Page was first stationed at Fort Still, then Fort Bliss and then Fort Bragg. He rose to the rank of sergeant while in the Army, but was given a dishonorable discharge in 1998, reduced in rank to a specialist for acts of misconduct.

I'm sure when we find out about the acts of misconduct -- it will shed some light on this man's impetus.

It doesn't help that the military lowered its standards during the Bush era to start accepting people with questionable psych profiles. Was he a racist before the military or after? How many Timothy McVeighs are getting indoctrinated by hate groups as we speak?

Here's some more -- apparently he did work in Psych department for the military;
www.foxnews.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">LINK

Page served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., attached to the psychological operations unit. He was an E4 psychological operations specialist, but was never deployed.


According to this report, he was honorably discharge for "patterns of misconduct" like drinking on duty.

However, what's troubling here isn't that a military guy went on a shooting spree -- I would expect that we'd have EVEN MORE of this with all the tours of duty from our Iraq/Afghanistan troops -- war is not really a good place for the mind, after all. On top of that -- Mr. Page allegedly didn't engage in any active combat. What's troubling is that, coupled with the extensive religious propaganda that is being targeted at service members -- especially pushing a meme of a "holy war" within the Air Force, we have someone who is this bent being part of Psi Ops. Seriously -- WTF? If this guy didn't show any "red flags" to the average recruiter -- we have to wonder if Psi Ops is LOOKING FOR racists like Mr. Page.

They either can't screen them out, or they are looking for a "few good haters", or they are producing them. What is the deal Military? We need more support for Vets if they need psychological treatment -- is a shooting in a church an "expectable" result from saving a few bucks at the VA?



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by DocBenway


Watching the press conference now. First discrepancy: media initially stated there was only one officer on scene, he was fired upon and killed the gunman in return. Official police statement later on changed that to two officers on scene, one shot multiple times and the second officer fatally wounding the gunman.

As of this press conference, 2 officers has morphed into 3 or more...they aren't clear on exact numbers. Apparently the first officer was shot 9 times, 2 or more officers arrived shortly thereafter and took cover, the gunman fired upon them and missed, and one of the officers fatally shot the gunman with a squad rifle.

It it just me or are they skewing this to steadily appear more heroic? More dramatic?
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I doubt there is any way to "skew this as more dramatic". In my state, we had 5 squad cars a fire truck and an ambulance show up for some kid stealing food at a Trader Joes -- he might have taken something at another store nearby.

Merely sending two squad cars to a disturbance is an exercise in restraint. With our police, there is nothing that happens without them over-reacting.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Here is another thing that seems to tie in.

Fort Bliss is in El Paso and a lot of training goes on there, so him being in El Paso in 1994 during the "criminal mischief" arrest makes sense. But in addition to that, read this write up about the history of KKK and neo-nazi activities in El Paso:

start.epcc.edu...


In South Texas, the Vietnamese were the targets of Klan violence in the 1980s, and in the 1990s various groups of the Klan united with neo-Nazis.


I still think this criminal mischief misdemeanor may have been tied to him in some way vandalizing or defacing something associated with a minority group. At least...it seems like a good possibility at this point.

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Haha, holy crap...that's quite the excessive response.

Concerning Oak Creek, I just see them ramping up response over time. What started as a single responder has now become multiple responders, and so on. But you are correct...excess is their bread and butter.




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