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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Soshh
Its almost impossible to restrict Iran's influence now.
What makes you think they will be more cooperative once they have nukes? I'm confident they will be even more belligerent. N.Korea is a good example.
Did you hear the bearded one in Iran running his mouth just this week? He basically said there will never be ME peace until Israel is obliterated. Does that sound reasonable to you?
Originally posted by seabag
We’ve been hearing about a strike on Iran for years now but I must admit this plan at this time definitely seems most plausible. I’m not saying I support this idea. I’m simply stating that this seems like the most likely scenario. We are close to one of the most hotly contested US presidential elections in history, Iran is becoming increasingly paranoid and its actions increasingly erratic .....
On July 19, freelance photographer John Cantile, alongside his Dutch colleague Jeroen Oerlemans, was kidnapped in northern Syrian and freed one week later.
Cantile said he was held in a camp by 30 foreign extremists ......
“Not a Syrian in sight. This wasn't what I had expected”, Cantile added. “Two of them were so Anglicised they couldn't speak Arabic”.
www.presstv.ir...
Originally posted by jcarpenter
Iran acting paranoid? No.
I venture that they are acting quite restrained. Especially in light of *constant* overt threats (military and economic) by the US and proxy forces. Also, don't forget that the US and Israel are also committing acts of war against Iran (murdering scientists/ internet attacks, etc).
Lastly, consider the recent US (and proxy) wars of aggression in the region, the Iranians know this is no imaginary threat. The Navy build up is a show of phallus-waving of the highest order. The Iranian preps are warranted. A war is coming.
Keep in mind, western mainstream "media" is nothing more than propaganda. If you want facts, you'll have to dig on your own. Consider this story:
Second sourcing this (no doubt ignored) article might give you a peek at the propaganda we are being saturated with. The real terrorists are in Washington.
A British photojournalist has spoken for the first time about his capture and wounding by Islamist militants in northern Syria last month.
John Cantlie and Dutchman Jeroen Oerlemans were held for a week before being rescued by a Free Syrian Army group, part of the opposition trying to overthrow Bashar al-Assad....
......Oerlemans, who was wounded in the thigh, spoke last week of the pair's experience. He said there was no Syrian in the group that captured them on 19 July. "They were all youngsters from other countries, African countries, Chechnya. They said they thought we were CIA agents.
.....Cantlie did not describe their rescue but Oerlemans has said that the two men were in a tent, blindfolded, when they heard a group of men he assumed to be from the Free Syrian Army come in. "They were shouting at everyone, saying, 'How long has this been going on; this is outrageous,' yelling at the jihadis, and then they told us, 'You are free.' Our hearts leapt, of course."
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I agree with you that the Iranian leadership is not acting paranoid.
They are getting real desperate and peeing in the pants right now fast.
They reap what they sowed.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
And as for your source from press tv, it is rather misleading. Half a truth had only be told. Read the full interview from John Cantile, and then you will know which media is lying.
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Radical Islamist mititants are only a small mercenary force but with a loud voice to look big within the Free Syrian Army that is made up largely of Free Syrian People, The FSA does not condone their acts, but with the rest of world not helping to end the slaughter, volunteers to get rid of the HumanSlayer Assad and his thugs, will be provisionally accepted.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
The FSA, equipped only with light arms and nothing more than courage seeking for justice for their loved ones butchered, truly needs all the help they can get now, facing the mother of all slaughters from tanks, artillery,gunships, warplanes and more...
haven’t seen congress declare war so war should not occur (but the law doesn’t seem to stop Obama). I’m of the mindset that if we have credible evidence of an imminent threat and congress declares war we should go in with full force and get it done. That has not occurred in the case of Iran.
Are you serious? You are advocating all out war against a nation tens of thousands of miles away?
If the US did go in with 'full force' there wouldn't be any country left to negotiate with afterwards. How long do you think the US will last with that mentality? Not very long.
Debka works for Mossad
I wouldnt put it past the Isrealis to be egging Iran into initiating conflict...in fact i would expect it.
Debkas just doing its job of prepping us for the war.....whatever way it plays out they want it to happen......
I think Isreal wants to get the upper hand for a long time to come so they can make themselves unassailable as possible..then maybe theyll settle down a bit and farm.
Originally posted by seabag
First of all, the conditions necessary for the US to go to war have not been met because congress has not declared war. If it does declare war there won’t be an Iranian regime left to negotiate with when we're done, so you’re partially correct.
As for Russia and China…They have no say in the matter.
Given the integrity of the House and Senate, I'm confident they would declare war at the drop of the hat if enough cash crossed their palms. Point being, don't count their vote as anything meaningful.
This is unfortunate as the only organized body that could possibly counter US aggression is the UN -- and of course they are largely controlled by the US.
If you don't think China and Russia don't have a say in their sphere of influence, you're dreaming.
Now that what? And no it isn't. This time next year it will be less influential than it is today. I would bet good money on it.
Rhetorically belligerent perhaps. I agree, North Korea is a great example. The harmless lunatic. Unlike North Korea, I don't think that Iran actually wants to produce a nuclear-tipped ICBM.
There were quite a few bearded Iranians running their mouths this week. Which one do you mean? Why would it sound reasonable to me? Do I strike you as unreasonable?
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Soshh
I mean RIGHT NOW Iran isn’t persuaded or influenced by the US….it certainly won’t be once it has nukes.
Do you think for a second N. Korea would have pulled some of the crap it has if not for its nuclear capability; seriously?
Don’t be silly…I meant Mahmoud ‘The Bearded One’ Ahmadinejad.
And yes, if you think Iran isn’t pursuing nukes you’re quite unreasonable.