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reply posted on 11-10-2004 @ 09:09 PM by tututkamen
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by tututkamen
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there is no need to invoke CO2 as the source of the current temperature rise
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The above is just your opinion, and an easy way to try to disregard the effects human activity have contributed to the climate change we are currently undergoing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Scroll down more than halfway in the above link to see some of the other gases that we have been adding to the atmosphere.

Your statements above remind me of those people that keep saying that they are going to die anyways and they prefer to live their lives smoking to their hearts content and filling their bodies with chemicals and fat which will have no effects on them at all, since the end result nomatter what you do is death...


#1 That is not my quote. If you look the source is there in bright red. Below that is my comment.

#2 One post below the one you attribute to me is a post containing my pure thought only.

Muaddib, could it be you are consuming to much of the Spice, Melange


reply posted on 11-10-2004 @ 11:58 PM by Muaddib
Originally posted by tututkamen
Muaddib,

I just found some other scientists that seem to agree with a few of my thoughts.

news.bbc.co.uk...


hehe, i hate spice...... ;P

Anyways, if you read the article that you link, there is one thing that is wrong in there thou. Most scientists believe that human activities do affect, and are affecting greatly climate change. With all the links I have posted in the past you should know that.

Second, the article says that David King, the chief scientific advisor in England, probably decided is best to wait for more tests and corroboration before jumping into any conclusions. He says they do not know yet if what is happening is just a fluke or it could be the start of something worse, and I do quote the following excerpt.

Carbon dioxide is the main gas given off by human activities (including the burning of fossil fuels, and deforestation) which scientists believe is exacerbating natural climate change.


That quote says everything, and it came from your link....

[edit on 11-10-2004 by Muaddib]


reply posted on 12-10-2004 @ 12:37 AM by Indy
The thing that should scare people most is that the great climate shift may come at a time of peak oil. There was a program on The Weather Channel tonight where they talk about the potential of a 10 degree drop in temperatures. I'm not claiming TWC to be a good source of science but its something to think about. How big of a deal is a 10 degree drop? Here in Indianapolis we had a departure from normal of 11.1 degrees in December of 2000....

www.crh.noaa.gov...

It was absolutely brutal. I cannot imagine this becoming normal. The drain on heating oil will be incredible. Same goes for the price of natural gas. And you can be sure the price of oil will explode. Now you add in a critical oil shortage coming in to the problem and well..... the results would be horrible.

There is no such thing as runaway global warming. You may get a temperature spike but never in the recorded history of this planet have the temperatures just gone up out of control and not stopped. There have been temperature spikes. And as impressive as each spike was there was an equally impressive temperature crash. The ride wasn't a gradual one where you come to a hump and slowly go over the top. You basically hit top and came crashing back down. How do you handle billions of freezing people and no way to provide warmth?


reply posted on 12-10-2004 @ 04:04 AM by tututkamen
Originally posted by tututkamen
So what we have on the best current evidence is that

global temperatures are currently rising;

the rise is part of a nearly million-year oscillation with the current rise beginning some 25,000 years ago;

the dominant source and sink for CO2 are the oceans, accounting for about two-thirds of the exchange, with vegetation as the major secondary source and sink;

if CO2 were the temperature–oscillation source, no mechanism—other than the separately driven temperature (which would then be a circular argument)—has been proposed to account independently for the CO2 rise and fall over a 400,000-year period;


References


1. Sigman, M.; Boyle, E. A. Nature 2000, 407, 859–869.
2. Calder, N. The Weather Machine; Viking Press: New York, 1974.
3. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Climate Change 1995: The Science of Climate Change; Houghton, J. T., Meira Filho, L. G., Callender, B. A., Harris, N., Kattenberg, A., Maskell, K., Eds.; Cam bridge University Press: Cambridge, U.K., 1996.
4. Hileman, B. Chem. Eng. News 1992, 70 (17), 7–19.
5. Schuster, A. Astrophysics J. 1905, 21, 1–22.
6. Schwarzschild, K. Gesell. Wiss. Gottingen; Nachr. Math.–Phys. Klasse 1906, 41.
7. Schwarzschild, K. Berliner Ber. Math. Phys. Klasse 1914, 1183.
8. Essenhigh, R. H. On Radiative Transfer in Solids. American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Thermophysics Specialist Conference, New Orleans, April 17–20, 1967; Paper 67-287; American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics: Reston, VA, 1967.


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www.freerepublic.com...


OK what is driving the temperature?

TUT

Originally posted by Indy

www.crh.noaa.gov...

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There is no such thing as runaway global warming. You may get a temperature spike but never in the recorded history of this planet have the temperatures just gone up out of control and not stopped. There have been temperature spikes. And as impressive as each spike was there was an equally impressive temperature crash. The ride wasn't a gradual one where you come to a hump and slowly go over the top. You basically hit top and came crashing back down. How do you handle billions of freezing people and no way to provide warmth?



Well,

There is your source for 400,000 years of history. As far as handling freezing people, I recommend insulated gloves


Undersea eruptions killing billions of fish. See It's not global warming, it's ocean warming.

Underwater volcano found off Antarctic coast. May 21, 2004.
See It's not global warming, it's ocean warming.

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"Fiery birth of a new Pacific island!"
Thus read the announcement from the Australian Commonwealth Scientific and
Industrial Organization (CSIRO), which had sent researchers to the Soloman
Islands to study a "dormant" underwater volcano.

Instead, it was very much alive. The scientists watched in amazement as lava,
ash, and plumes of steam and smoke rose high above the ocean's surface.

They were witnessing the birth of the Island Kavachi.

Underwater volcanic activity in the Arctic Ocean far stronger than anyone imagined!
(This strongly confirms my belief that underwater volcanic activity is heating the seas; not human activity.)

See It's not global warming, it's ocean warming.


Mount St. Helens glacier growing 50 feet per year. September 20, 2004 - Located inside the volcanic crater formed during its 1980 eruption, America’s youngest glacier is also its fastest growing glacier. Scientists estimate that the thickness of the glacier has increased by nearly 50 feet per year. “Today,” says a brochure published by the US Forest Service, “the snow and ice in the crater is equal in volume to all of the pre-eruption glaciers on Mount St. Helens combined.” Why is no one bothering to tell us about this? See list of expanding glaciers.





Second coldest month on record at the South Pole - 23 Sep 2004 – “We missed the coldest month ever recorded here at the Pole by only six tenths of a degree - minus 89.0 degrees Fahrenheit recorded in August 1987,” says Troy Wiles, a member of the medical team at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. (Not exactly “global warming,” is it?)
www.record-eagle.com...

www.iceagenow.com...


Everything is relative, even your point of view. The question is relative to what, after all in a hundred years no one will give a siht any way!

TUT
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