Dem Lawmakers Want Answers About Romney’s Enormous IRA, page 1


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reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 10:09 PM by ownbestenemy
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Is this more dishonesty from Romney? How can a person amass $100 million in a IRA when your only allowed by law to contribute $6000 a year? Democrat lawmakers wish to know how Romney was able to do this and they could subpena his tax records to find out.

Yet more financial issues with Romney.


While it would be in his growing best interest to disclose his finances (it is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation in my opinion), the premise here is a bit misleading.

So the IRA is worth 100 million, but they are trying to tie that to the contribution limit. This is disingenuous as its best and political pandering at its lowest. IRA or Individual Retirement Accounts started in 1974. While the contribution amount has risen from $1500 to $5000 (as of 2011), it should also be noted that transferring assets between IRAs is not against the law.

It should also be note that maybe Mitt Romney made wise investments with his IRA and is enjoying the fruits of those investments, making the worth of that IRA $100 million.

Of course, this attacks the narrative....so eat it up sheep....and than count your brethren while you sleep.

Edit to add:

Even if Romney was taking advantage of a tax-loophole; remember this -- he wasn't the only one given that opportunity nor the only one who took it. He also wasn't the Representative who allowed it into the tax-code.
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reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 10:27 PM by Americanist
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Edit to add: Even if Romney was taking advantage of a tax-loophole; remember this -- he wasn't the only one given that opportunity nor the only one who took it. He also wasn't the Representative who allowed it into the tax-code.


Interesting little caveat... Seems to tie directly into the big business - banking paradigm.

The equivalent of mirroring mobsters because extorting from myriad patrons pays off.
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reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 10:35 PM by ownbestenemy
Originally posted by Americanist
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Edit to add: Even if Romney was taking advantage of a tax-loophole; remember this -- he wasn't the only one given that opportunity nor the only one who took it. He also wasn't the Representative who allowed it into the tax-code.


Interesting little caveat... Seems to tie directly into the big business - banking paradigm.

The equivalent of mirroring mobsters because extorting from myriad patrons pays off.


I am not advocating it is right by ethical means but I "take-a-penny" because it is there and easier to use than dig through my pockets or break a dollar. While not quite the same, it is a rule/law in place that was made by our Representatives and yet we want to only tar and feather those who use the rules they are presented......

Class warfare...wealth envy....they are all the same. The real culprits is an anemic and idiotic society that continues to vote in clowns (even while wrangling their fists in fury over their policies) that perpetuate these types of tax loopholes.


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 10:37 PM by Aliensun
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Yeah, but we have a lot of dirty linen from the other guy to be aired first?
Frankly, I don't care if they roast him. That will entice their boys to really go public with Obama's many secrets a great deal of which deal with his personal history and ideology which are directly important to him being our leader. So let the airing begin.


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 10:40 PM by ownbestenemy
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This wouldn't be the first time that a politician has used the IRS nor the last to gain politically. I believe there were many stories of the Clinton's and their use of the IRS to project their power/influence (though I believe a bit thin).


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 10:55 PM by Chance321
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Mitt Romney’s enormous IRA


This is the best we can get from obama's minions? Hey obama, why don't you try running on your record? Oh, that's right, you have none. . . well except for playing golf which I see you got another game in today. All I see with Mr. Romney is a man that knows how to make and invest money and after three and a half years of obamas fumbling that's exactly what we need.
Now why aren't the lawmakers just as concerned about what obamas hiding with Fast & Furious?


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 11:03 PM by Americanist
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Class warfare...wealth envy....they are all the same. The real culprits is an anemic and idiotic society that continues to vote in clowns (even while wrangling their fists in fury over their policies) that perpetuate these types of tax loopholes.


In other words... Institutions behind the manipulation of our electoral college while at the same time utilizing clever accounting weigh more heavily than society.

Got it... Loud and clear.


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 11:06 PM by Blackmarketeer
Came across this article on Romney's $100 million IRA.

Mitt Romney's IRA (spencerlawfirm.com)

A former Bain Capital partner said that Bain Capital had a 401(k) plan that allowed employees to invest in its deals. Romney's 401(k) was rolled over to his IRA. Apparently the IRA has holdings in Bain Capital, the private equity firm Romney helped to start. Private equity is equity capital that is not quoted on a public stock exchange. It consists of investors and funds that make investments directly into private companies or conduct buyouts of public companies that result in a delisting of public equity.

(...)

Some expert commentators speculate that Mr. Romney uses a strategy involving offshore funds to avoid UBIT. He could have had the IRA invest through an offshore affiliate of the private-equity firm, known as an offshore blocker corporation, which in turn invests the same money in the private-equity partnership. The tax is avoided because the IRA technically is investing in the offshore corporation, not in a private-equity partnership.


So his IRA may have some connection to his offshore accounts/shell corporations.



reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 11:18 PM by charles1952
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Dear Blackmarketeer,

Nice find. A good explanation of how it could have happened, thanks. I didn't notice anything in the article indicating he did anything illegal or unethical, so I'm tempted to give him a pass on this issue.

With respect,
Charles1952


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 11:34 PM by Blackmarketeer
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That was an explanation by a law firm on how an IRA could have reached $100 million. Mitt Romney sure didn't do it by maxing out his contribution level (which would take somewhere in the neighborhood of 70,000 years to reach that amount). As the firm stated, Bain could have tied their IRA to their investments which used an offshore corporation to invest the funds (sans taxes) back into the IRA's. They didn;t say for a fact that was what happened, only one way that it could have. They also say information about the firm's IRA practices came from a Bain employee.

By the way, the reason their is a limit on individual contributions to an IRA, since they are tax deductible, is to limit them from being used as tax shelters by guy's like Mitt Romney. But considering his IRA is worth $100 million, we can rest assured he found some way past that pesky legal limit.
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reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 11:49 PM by charles1952
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Dear Blackmarketeer,

I think I agree with you completely. One tiny nit to pick, all we know is that the value of his IRA is between $20.7 million and $101 million. Not that it changes the discussion much.

I'm probably naive, but if this firm can describe a legal way to shuffle money around, I'm sure Romney's advisors found one too.

I was relieved to hear that in 2017 he would have to start drawing money from his IRA and those withdrawls would be taxed at 35%. Looks like he's going to have to pay one way or the other. Of course, another way around that is to donate it to charity. As the article stated, he's been very generous in the past.

A fascinating lesson, and I learned a lot. Thanks.

With respect,
Charles1952


reply posted on 5-8-2012 @ 12:02 AM by Americanist
Originally posted by charles1952
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post by Blackmarketeer


Dear Blackmarketeer,

I think I agree with you completely. One tiny nit to pick, all we know is that the value of his IRA is between $20.7 million and $101 million. Not that it changes the discussion much.

I'm probably naive, but if this firm can describe a legal way to shuffle money around, I'm sure Romney's advisors found one too.

I was relieved to hear that in 2017 he would have to start drawing money from his IRA and those withdrawls would be taxed at 35%. Looks like he's going to have to pay one way or the other. Of course, another way around that is to donate it to charity. As the article stated, he's been very generous in the past.

A fascinating lesson, and I learned a lot. Thanks.

With respect,
Charles1952




Plenty of time to establish your own charitable foundation with friends and family as salaried board members.


reply posted on 5-8-2012 @ 12:05 AM by ownbestenemy
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
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That was an explanation by a law firm on how an IRA could have reached $100 million. Mitt Romney sure didn't do it by maxing out his contribution level (which would take somewhere in the neighborhood of 70,000 years to reach that amount).


While I agree with it would have taken much longer, if we are to base it purely upon contributions and not compounded interest and market value, that figure isn't reported based of any of that except "contribution". I find that baseless reporting and designed for one reason; political gain.
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