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Modern methodologies of White racism – “Reverse Racism”

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Modern methodologies of White racism – “Reverse Racism”

This is a much needed thread for this website. It seems there is a large community of “overly sensitive racialists” (to put it nicely) on ATS. This, however, merely portrays a contextual sample of the larger group at hand, being Western society. There is a relatively new fad in town, and it is called “reverse discrimination/racism”. Here we will dissect this nasty new form of covert racism and show its ugly methods for all to see.

The Reverse Syndrome – This is probably the most frequently used form of covert racism used now days by White folks. Whenever a “person of color” is acknowledge in a positive way through the description of skin color or ethnicity (such as, “Jackie Robinson was the first Black baseball player ” or “Bruce Lee was the most famous actor of Chinese descent”), there are White folks who begin to scream “Reverse racism!” as if that has any validity. In fact, it shows quite the contrary, that traditional White racism is still very alive and well today. Their main argument is that because all races can discriminate against each other, that “Reverse Racism” is possible. But “Reverse Racism” would only describe a society in which all the rules and roles were turned upside down, where the societal institutions and culture within a mostly White nation were MORE beneficial to “people of color” and offered them more privilege than it did to White people.

There is another place this poor accusation is flung, and that is towards any local, state or federal policy that has any hint of being specified towards “people of color” (such as, Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity in Education...). Whites see these things as an attack on their skin color, as putting them at a disadvantage within the still overwhelmingly White nation. This seems to be nothing other than the pathological and paranoid delusions of a group whom have been so historically privileged do to racist policy and cultural trends that any movement towards more equality for all races is seen as “unfair” to this White privilege and thus is labeled “reverse racism”. As psychologist Kim Thurler puts it, “These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality - at their expense," note Norton and Sommers. “Whites see racial equality as a zero sum game, in which gains for one group mean losses for the other.” www.medicalnewstoday.com...

White people who complain about “Reverse Racism” are actually complaining about being denied their privileges, rather than being denied their rights. They feel entitled to be hired and not to be discriminated against, even though the norm is White men discriminating against “people of color”, or women or homosexuals... If, in a rare instance, a Black employer discriminates against a White job applicant, that’s not “reverse” anything — it’s simple discrimination. It’s to be condemned on principle, but it’s not evidence of some systematic program by which whites are being deprived of their rights.

The right wing popularized the term “Reverse Racism” because they were really angry at having their White privileges challenged. Anyone who uses that phrase, whether they are right wing or not, furthers the right wing’s cause. This is what I tell Democrats and progressives (whom I am not a fan of either) who I hear using the term — not only are they being inaccurate, but they’re helping out their opponents.

The above arguments can be applied to any institutionalized structure of oppression, affecting any race, ethnic or religious group, and can be used to to oppose claims of “Reverse Sexism” and “Reverse Classism” too.





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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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... But the thing with AA is that people of color will get jobs over white people even though the white person may be more qualified than a person of color. Just like with firefighters and LEO, there is a quota, so some whites that would make a better FF or LEO don't get the job because a racial quota has to be filled so essentially the best person does not always get the job. I don't know about any of you but when it comes to my life or my childrens lives I want the best qualified person saving me, not a person that got a job because of his or her skin color. Correct me if i'm wrong in thinking that.
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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you're right, white people need to be acknowledged.

charlie manson is a famous white mass murderer.

adolf hitler was one of the most brutal white dictators.

lee harvey oswald was one of the best known white assassins.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Interesting post OP, I guess this is something you had in mind since reading the Olympic thread.

I comepletely agree and associate with that hypothesis of "Reverse racism" being when white people feel they are "loosing their privledges".

I'm going to make a full disclosure of some of my characteristics, that I do detest.

The economy going slow, wages going down, work hard to come by, taxes and inflation increasing, poverty rising... And yet so's the God damn immigration, and strain on services!

I've made racist remarks quite often, with friends, when taking the P, or having a rant.

Its something I'm not proud of, and I would never say it in public, but that resentment does come sliding through.

I like to think my views are balanced however, if I see a well educated, working immigrant, I appreciate them adding to our culture, when I see adverts at the job centre, advetising jobs to minorties only... Now that clicks my buttons, like wise when they get free housing accomodation, for families of up to 15(!!)... That ticks me off..

Then again, I shouldnt hate the player, I should hate the game (?)

The game would be our government. Many people are immigrating here, because we're destroying there homeland.

I can honestly say, I don't like my self when I have derogatory remarks to say about other races, but I *am* instilled with fear, and resentment.. Sometimes like.

I sytill think it lies at the top of governments, as always, they want us to distrust and stay confused.

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
you're right, white people need to be acknowledged.

charlie manson is a famous white mass murderer.

adolf hitler was one of the most brutal white dictators.

lee harvey oswald was one of the best known white assassins.


This statement is trying to incite racism and is stupid. There are plenty of whites blacks and many other colored killers out there.

You come off as a racist.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 05:54 PM
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This kind of thinking defines my whole OP. You have perverted the definition and working method of AA to fit your own privileged lifestyle. AA is meant to equal the playing field in a nation wide system that shows signs of inequality. Depending on the numbers (how many Whites are employed or given scholarship compared to "people of color") the decision is made. Both parties WILL meet the SAME standards of ability, and to say anything other is down right racist and unfactual. That is just more right wing propaganda, and it is just grossly inaccurate.

You should be ashamed!


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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by openlocks
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This kind of thinking defines my whole OP. You have perverted the definition and working method of AA to fit your own privileged lifestyle. AA is meant to equal the playing field in a nation wide system that shows signs of inequality. Depending on the numbers (how many Whites are employed or given scholarship compared to "people of color") the decision is made. Both parties WILL meet the SAME standards of ability, and to say anything other is down right racist and unfactual. That is just more right wing propaganda, and it is just grossly inaccurate.

You should be ashamed!


Excuse me?? I'm a white male and I haven't been able to get a job in over 9 months! And I lost my last job because of something that happened 15 years ago when I was a juvenile, a colored person would have been able to keep the job because if he or she were fired there is always the well known race card that can be pulled. now you tell me how I am privileged! I've applied for jobs such as dishwasher to custodian to food server and fast food... everything under the sun. I haven't even gotten an interview. smh

DO yourself a favor and do a little more resarch on this topic before you start jumping to conclusions. It is people like you that should be ashamed of yourself.

ETA: A few years ago in my city the city told the Police department to hire more minorities because there "wasn't enough" of them. Well, the police chief spoke up and said I'm not hiring anybody to meet a quota, I'm hiring the best qualified candidates.

You, OP, are an idiot.
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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White people that think they are being widely discriminated against because of their race live in a delusion. Anyone that I've ever seen go on about the "White males are the most discriminated against" garbage were always racist or went on to say racist things.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
White people that think they are being widely discriminated against because of their race live in a delusion. Anyone that I've ever seen go on about the "White males are the most discriminated against" garbage were always racist or went on to say racist things.


Good point, S, I do see it alot with other white people to be honest and i'm white myself. I'm not saying I didn't get any jobs because i'm white, I'm just saying I'm not privileged to get jobs because I am white. But I do know people that bitch about that. I tell them they're wrong, a job is extremely hard to come by nowadays, especially if you don't have a post high school education, such as myself, and I blame no one but myself for that.

But like I stated in my first post, there are jobs, like I listed, that some of the best qualified candidates do not get the job because a racial quota has to be filled. That's not right. I just think IMHO that colored people aren't as apt to apply for those types of jobs as whites are, there's nothing wrong with that, to each their own but quotas should be done with.

I think that one thing honestly that could solve the problem is to do away with names on applications, perhaps people need a certain code or something instead of a name. Because as disgusting as it is, people do discriminate based on names. smh.
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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A lot of people of color get picked for non other than being not white.

Places need to meet a quota.

I have a friend that got into med school because she kept her last name Martinez.

She had been divorced for a year or two but wanted to keep the last name because she said she had a better chance of getting in because of it.

It worked.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by kimish
... But the thing with AA is that people of color will get jobs over white people even though the white person may be more qualified than a person of color. Just like with firefighters and LEO, there is a quota, so some whites that would make a better FF or LEO don't get the job because a racial quota has to be filled so essentially the best person does not always get the job. I don't know about any of you but when it comes to my life or my childrens lives I want the best qualified person saving me, not a person that got a job because of his or her skin color. Correct me if i'm wrong in thinking that.
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What you're stating is your perspective and no one should condemn you for that, however you should ask yourself why this quota requirement is there? Why was it put there, what was happening or happened for it to be necessary to require quotas?
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by kimish

Originally posted by openlocks
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This kind of thinking defines my whole OP. You have perverted the definition and working method of AA to fit your own privileged lifestyle. AA is meant to equal the playing field in a nation wide system that shows signs of inequality. Depending on the numbers (how many Whites are employed or given scholarship compared to "people of color") the decision is made. Both parties WILL meet the SAME standards of ability, and to say anything other is down right racist and unfactual. That is just more right wing propaganda, and it is just grossly inaccurate.

You should be ashamed!


Excuse me?? I'm a white male and I haven't been able to get a job in over 9 months! And I lost my last job because of something that happened 15 years ago when I was a juvenile, a colored person would have been able to keep the job because if he or she were fired there is always the well known race card that can be pulled. now you tell me how I am privileged! I've applied for jobs such as dishwasher to custodian to food server and fast food... everything under the sun. I haven't even gotten an interview. smh

DO yourself a favor and do a little more resarch on this topic before you start jumping to conclusions. It is people like you that should be ashamed of yourself.

ETA: A few years ago in my city the city told the Police department to hire more minorities because there "wasn't enough" of them. Well, the police chief spoke up and said I'm not hiring anybody to meet a quota, I'm hiring the best qualified candidates.

You, OP, are an idiot.
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So you blame Black people for not being able to get a job? LOL...

Next!



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Yes I do agree with you, there are quotas put into place for a reason, unfortunately some places have gone overboard with it though, especially with jobs concerning protecting people and saving lives. Those jobs should get the best qualified candidate period, and those jobs are where AA has its disadvantages. That's why I purpose the "no-name" application. Because there are people that do discriminate due to names, that would at least help a little bit. A little help is better than none.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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I already told you all I am a Beige American "White" has entirely too many negative connotations. I don't care what color you are ,if you are rude I probably wouldn't like you.If your racial heritage is vital to you,you'd best talk to someone else......before you say something rude and I call you on it.It's one thing to be proud that's ok,it's entirely another to stick it in my face.I don't do it to you and you will not do it to me.On the other hand if crudity is your normal mode of communication,perhaps you were combat arms in the military and we'll get along fine.
If you think I am a racist then that is all you. This must be labeled as the BS it is.I understand there are oppressive individuals who actually seek to offend others but if you're fishing for it in casual conversation feel free to correct me but don't push it.
Then again I am crude so you'd best grow a thicker skin,I never seek to insult or harm but if I have,oh well.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Read my other post, I didn't say that. Man, you are quick to jump to conclusions. May I suggest some breathing techniques?


Yes there is racism, it happens to all shades, end of story. It doesn't happen as much as it did 10 years ago, 20 years ago and so on. It will never end, unfortunately. And I constructively supplied an example/ possible solution to help quell the issue at hand, have you?


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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
White people that think they are being widely discriminated against because of their race live in a delusion. Anyone that I've ever seen go on about the "White males are the most discriminated against" garbage were always racist or went on to say racist things.


I think you live a limited existence if that is all you have seen about white people.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by kimish
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Yes I do agree with you, there are quotas put into place for a reason, unfortunately some places have gone overboard with it though, especially with jobs concerning protecting people and saving lives. Those jobs should get the best qualified candidate period, and those jobs are where AA has its disadvantages. That's why I purpose the "no-name" application. Because there are people that do discriminate due to names, that would at least help a little bit. A little help is better than none.


Don't you see you're stereotyping AA as if they can't be qualified for those jobs? Things are this way because of decades of unfairness for not being a white male. Yes it looks unfair to you today but in yester years people who weren't white males endured greatly for being different. This is the time people need to understand the past, understanding the past make things clearer as to why things are the way they are today. It also give people the opportunity to correct their behavior and expectations so as not to repeat those errors.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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This thread has been sorely needed on ATS. Too bad it's going to fall on deaf ears since 70% of the population of this site are white, middle aged men who like to pretend they aren't racist while sobbing any time a person of color gets ahead in life.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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You should probably read what I said. I said white people that think that way, I didn't say all white people.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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I wouldn't say limited existence per se` but the same can be said about white people. I have lots o white friends that all their experiences with people of color were negative. I can honestly say I now only have a few black acquaintances and most of their experiences with whites are negative due to racism. For reals.

I've had the opportunity... privilege, to work alongside all types of people since I was a teenager so I only discriminate based on attitude and personal character, not color. This is why colored people love me, I don't hate based on color, I hate based on douche bags, period. Everyone is equal in mine eyes.

What would Christ do? As cliche` as it is it is the right way to live.
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