Modern methodologies of White racism – “Reverse Racism”, page 1


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Topic started on 3-8-2012 @ 05:31 PM by openlocks
Modern methodologies of White racism – “Reverse Racism”

This is a much needed thread for this website. It seems there is a large community of “overly sensitive racialists” (to put it nicely) on ATS. This, however, merely portrays a contextual sample of the larger group at hand, being Western society. There is a relatively new fad in town, and it is called “reverse discrimination/racism”. Here we will dissect this nasty new form of covert racism and show its ugly methods for all to see.

The Reverse Syndrome – This is probably the most frequently used form of covert racism used now days by White folks. Whenever a “person of color” is acknowledge in a positive way through the description of skin color or ethnicity (such as, “Jackie Robinson was the first Black baseball player ” or “Bruce Lee was the most famous actor of Chinese descent”), there are White folks who begin to scream “Reverse racism!” as if that has any validity. In fact, it shows quite the contrary, that traditional White racism is still very alive and well today. Their main argument is that because all races can discriminate against each other, that “Reverse Racism” is possible. But “Reverse Racism” would only describe a society in which all the rules and roles were turned upside down, where the societal institutions and culture within a mostly White nation were MORE beneficial to “people of color” and offered them more privilege than it did to White people.

There is another place this poor accusation is flung, and that is towards any local, state or federal policy that has any hint of being specified towards “people of color” (such as, Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity in Education...). Whites see these things as an attack on their skin color, as putting them at a disadvantage within the still overwhelmingly White nation. This seems to be nothing other than the pathological and paranoid delusions of a group whom have been so historically privileged do to racist policy and cultural trends that any movement towards more equality for all races is seen as “unfair” to this White privilege and thus is labeled “reverse racism”. As psychologist Kim Thurler puts it, “These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality - at their expense," note Norton and Sommers. “Whites see racial equality as a zero sum game, in which gains for one group mean losses for the other.” www.medicalnewstoday.com...

White people who complain about “Reverse Racism” are actually complaining about being denied their privileges, rather than being denied their rights. They feel entitled to be hired and not to be discriminated against, even though the norm is White men discriminating against “people of color”, or women or homosexuals... If, in a rare instance, a Black employer discriminates against a White job applicant, that’s not “reverse” anything — it’s simple discrimination. It’s to be condemned on principle, but it’s not evidence of some systematic program by which whites are being deprived of their rights.

The right wing popularized the term “Reverse Racism” because they were really angry at having their White privileges challenged. Anyone who uses that phrase, whether they are right wing or not, furthers the right wing’s cause. This is what I tell Democrats and progressives (whom I am not a fan of either) who I hear using the term — not only are they being inaccurate, but they’re helping out their opponents.

The above arguments can be applied to any institutionalized structure of oppression, affecting any race, ethnic or religious group, and can be used to to oppose claims of “Reverse Sexism” and “Reverse Classism” too.





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reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 05:51 PM by Sinny
Interesting post OP, I guess this is something you had in mind since reading the Olympic thread.

I comepletely agree and associate with that hypothesis of "Reverse racism" being when white people feel they are "loosing their privledges".

I'm going to make a full disclosure of some of my characteristics, that I do detest.

The economy going slow, wages going down, work hard to come by, taxes and inflation increasing, poverty rising... And yet so's the God damn immigration, and strain on services!

I've made racist remarks quite often, with friends, when taking the P, or having a rant.

Its something I'm not proud of, and I would never say it in public, but that resentment does come sliding through.

I like to think my views are balanced however, if I see a well educated, working immigrant, I appreciate them adding to our culture, when I see adverts at the job centre, advetising jobs to minorties only... Now that clicks my buttons, like wise when they get free housing accomodation, for families of up to 15(!!)... That ticks me off..

Then again, I shouldnt hate the player, I should hate the game (?)

The game would be our government. Many people are immigrating here, because we're destroying there homeland.

I can honestly say, I don't like my self when I have derogatory remarks to say about other races, but I *am* instilled with fear, and resentment.. Sometimes like.

I sytill think it lies at the top of governments, as always, they want us to distrust and stay confused.

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reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 05:54 PM by openlocks
reply to post by kimish


This kind of thinking defines my whole OP. You have perverted the definition and working method of AA to fit your own privileged lifestyle. AA is meant to equal the playing field in a nation wide system that shows signs of inequality. Depending on the numbers (how many Whites are employed or given scholarship compared to "people of color") the decision is made. Both parties WILL meet the SAME standards of ability, and to say anything other is down right racist and unfactual. That is just more right wing propaganda, and it is just grossly inaccurate.

You should be ashamed!


reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:00 PM by kimish
Originally posted by openlocks
reply to post by kimish


This kind of thinking defines my whole OP. You have perverted the definition and working method of AA to fit your own privileged lifestyle. AA is meant to equal the playing field in a nation wide system that shows signs of inequality. Depending on the numbers (how many Whites are employed or given scholarship compared to "people of color") the decision is made. Both parties WILL meet the SAME standards of ability, and to say anything other is down right racist and unfactual. That is just more right wing propaganda, and it is just grossly inaccurate.

You should be ashamed!


Excuse me?? I'm a white male and I haven't been able to get a job in over 9 months! And I lost my last job because of something that happened 15 years ago when I was a juvenile, a colored person would have been able to keep the job because if he or she were fired there is always the well known race card that can be pulled. now you tell me how I am privileged! I've applied for jobs such as dishwasher to custodian to food server and fast food... everything under the sun. I haven't even gotten an interview. smh

DO yourself a favor and do a little more resarch on this topic before you start jumping to conclusions. It is people like you that should be ashamed of yourself.

ETA: A few years ago in my city the city told the Police department to hire more minorities because there "wasn't enough" of them. Well, the police chief spoke up and said I'm not hiring anybody to meet a quota, I'm hiring the best qualified candidates.

You, OP, are an idiot.
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reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:12 PM by openlocks
Originally posted by kimish
Originally posted by openlocks
reply to post by kimish


This kind of thinking defines my whole OP. You have perverted the definition and working method of AA to fit your own privileged lifestyle. AA is meant to equal the playing field in a nation wide system that shows signs of inequality. Depending on the numbers (how many Whites are employed or given scholarship compared to "people of color") the decision is made. Both parties WILL meet the SAME standards of ability, and to say anything other is down right racist and unfactual. That is just more right wing propaganda, and it is just grossly inaccurate.

You should be ashamed!


Excuse me?? I'm a white male and I haven't been able to get a job in over 9 months! And I lost my last job because of something that happened 15 years ago when I was a juvenile, a colored person would have been able to keep the job because if he or she were fired there is always the well known race card that can be pulled. now you tell me how I am privileged! I've applied for jobs such as dishwasher to custodian to food server and fast food... everything under the sun. I haven't even gotten an interview. smh

DO yourself a favor and do a little more resarch on this topic before you start jumping to conclusions. It is people like you that should be ashamed of yourself.

ETA: A few years ago in my city the city told the Police department to hire more minorities because there "wasn't enough" of them. Well, the police chief spoke up and said I'm not hiring anybody to meet a quota, I'm hiring the best qualified candidates.

You, OP, are an idiot.
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So you blame Black people for not being able to get a job? LOL...

Next!



reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:24 PM by kimish
reply to post by Chai_An


Yes I do agree with you, there are quotas put into place for a reason, unfortunately some places have gone overboard with it though, especially with jobs concerning protecting people and saving lives. Those jobs should get the best qualified candidate period, and those jobs are where AA has its disadvantages. That's why I purpose the "no-name" application. Because there are people that do discriminate due to names, that would at least help a little bit. A little help is better than none.


reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:31 PM by kimish
reply to post by openlocks


Read my other post, I didn't say that. Man, you are quick to jump to conclusions. May I suggest some breathing techniques?

Yes there is racism, it happens to all shades, end of story. It doesn't happen as much as it did 10 years ago, 20 years ago and so on. It will never end, unfortunately. And I constructively supplied an example/ possible solution to help quell the issue at hand, have you?


reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:37 PM by Chai_An
Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Chai_An


Yes I do agree with you, there are quotas put into place for a reason, unfortunately some places have gone overboard with it though, especially with jobs concerning protecting people and saving lives. Those jobs should get the best qualified candidate period, and those jobs are where AA has its disadvantages. That's why I purpose the "no-name" application. Because there are people that do discriminate due to names, that would at least help a little bit. A little help is better than none.


Don't you see you're stereotyping AA as if they can't be qualified for those jobs? Things are this way because of decades of unfairness for not being a white male. Yes it looks unfair to you today but in yester years people who weren't white males endured greatly for being different. This is the time people need to understand the past, understanding the past make things clearer as to why things are the way they are today. It also give people the opportunity to correct their behavior and expectations so as not to repeat those errors.


reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:41 PM by RealSpoke
reply to post by Nite_wing


You should probably read what I said. I said white people that think that way, I didn't say all white people.


reply posted on 3-8-2012 @ 06:41 PM by kimish
reply to post by Nite_wing


I wouldn't say limited existence per se` but the same can be said about white people. I have lots o white friends that all their experiences with people of color were negative. I can honestly say I now only have a few black acquaintances and most of their experiences with whites are negative due to racism. For reals.

I've had the opportunity... privilege, to work alongside all types of people since I was a teenager so I only discriminate based on attitude and personal character, not color. This is why colored people love me, I don't hate based on color, I hate based on douche bags, period. Everyone is equal in mine eyes.

What would Christ do? As cliche` as it is it is the right way to live.
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