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Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by Doalrite
I think many of the ideas you have stated would work and most likely be a lot simpler. However...I have serious doubts they may happen. TPTB (in my opinion) thrive on confusion and chaos...they want to keep dumping down the common people;so they are easier to manipulate.
Originally posted by searching411
You should include that our government officials should be held responsible/accountable for their actions. We put our trust in them when they were voted into office. If they pass laws that harm the country/individuals, put money in their pockets, use insider trading secrets, get kick backs, break the law (any law) . . ., then the person should be held to swift justice and have no protection from their buddies. They should loose all their ill gotten goods/houses/vacation homes/boats/planes/freedom. And if the confiscation does not zero out the balance stole, then put them in a chain gang until society has been repaid. The same rules/laws should apply to all regardless of government position.
Originally posted by crawdad1914
reply to post by Doalrite
Agree with most of that. Do not agree with the mandatory military service.
Good common sense ideas mostly!
Originally posted by Meaningless
Or we can forcefully crack out of our ignorance and overthrow the governments who continue to destroy our lives and the planet. There's no #ing way I'm agreeing to a tweaked/modified system. Gotta learn that it doesn't matter what we do with governments or the feds, it'll always be corrupted. Best to just get rid of them so we can have our real freedoms back. Start living in peace and all that good stuff instead of worrying where our government will start the next war just to die for them. If we keep governments they'll only get worse over time as well as stronger. I mean have you see what they have in their arsenal now? Just so they can wipe civilization clean again.
Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
Interesting thread Op.
I find it kind of interesting though, that you claim to believe in the constitution and make a point of laws being CONSTITUTIONAL and then later in your opening post suggest VIOLATING the constitution by embellishing the right to bear arms; adding a mandatory military service requirement for citizens to keep one of their inalienable constitutional rights. Isn't that kind of a disconnect? You either believe the citizens rights should not be en fringed or that they should and if you do then it kind of undercuts your argument that laws should be constitutional. No?
In any case I would say it illustrates one of the reasons why the federal government no longer follows the constitution really, because even those who claim to understand it and defend it, still violate it when it serves their beliefs and purposes.
Just my opinion though.edit on 3-8-2012 by prisoneronashipoffools because: punctuation correctionedit on 3-8-2012 by prisoneronashipoffools because: typo
Nice post sir, actually I don't want to make it a requirement to own a gun to go to the service. However I am of the opinion that ALL people should be trained in combat hand to hand and with weapons. I know my OPINION of this will make people argue... but i do think that it would be good for america and its citizens.. If you disagree please give me some talking points as to why. Ok say by Citizens going to to service for their state for two years... military service is really just a job. So it would give people a job. Filing paper, cleaning floors.. just out of their mothers house on their own. Providing service for their country and states.. giving them respect for whats around them.
Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
reply to post by Doalrite
The impression I got was that you were suggesting that the service would be a requirement for owning firearms, but since you have said it wasn't your intent, I apologize for the misunderstanding.
As far as the idea of mandatory military conscription; even if it is non combat conscription, unfortunately I still can not agree with, though I think you do offer a few good points and ideas. Mainly that citizens could use some hand to hand combat training, arms training and even a bit of discipline and learning to work together as a well regulated unit.
Though, I do not think citizens should be forced to serve in the military, for a couple of reasons. For one, I don't think people should be forced to go against their beliefs, some people are pacifists and whether one agrees with them or not I just don't believe that people should be forced to compromise their beliefs by law. Second, though many people think that the military can iron out the rough edges of anyone, there are some people who can not cope with and should not be part of the highly stressful, regimented and controlled environment of the military. Even now there are some people who wash out of basic training and are sent back home and it's probably a good thing. If you begin to force everyone to serve in the military I think we might find that it could create a great deal of problems down the road even if it is only a small minority of people that can't cope and crack under the pressure so to speak.
Another problem; I have with forced conscription especially at the national level using the military, is cost. As you pointed out it would be like offering a job to people, the problem is you have to pay the people for the job and since the military doesn't produce any products or money of it's own that all comes from the tax payers pockets. I would be interested in how much a national forced conscription would increase the already massive military spending budget.
Now, having said that I would agree that many citizens could benefit with some minor military training, but I would differ in the way that I would implement such a plan.
First, I would rather see it be on a community level basis rather then a national one. More in the form of a local community militia, answering directly to the mayor and city council of the community.
Second, I still think it should be voluntary in nature, but maybe a local incentive could be offered for service in the militia, such as maybe a minor property tax cut for service. In exchange the citizens would much like the national guard give up some of their time for periodic and routine training.
Then, veterans and military officers of the community could pass on their skills to the fellow citizens and in exchange the citizens will have a force that can protect their community in a worse case scenario; riots and invasion, and would even have a well trained force that could be mobilized for peaceful reasons in the event of local natural disasters and etc.
Just my opinion though.
Anyway, thank you OP for your time and response.
Originally posted by Doalrite
I also find the fact that people would rather talk about mundane unimportant things rather than talk about things that would actually benifit everyone.