The mainstream view of the Egyptian pyramids

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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Scott

well said, maybe Pyramid Tomb Theory PTT can dovetail with my own Idiot Lord Intrusion Theory ILIT. I've certainly found thousands of sites where people have used really ancient useful structures as spots to dump their dead, millennia after the event. Then the archaeologists come along date the structures to the corpses and the whole of human history gets annoying squashed together. Finally the mainstream scholars binds a load of VIP to what are essentially ruins where someone decided to dump a corpse. They must be high from sniffing the corpses


A horribly common story.

Regards

Chris




posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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You know an often over looked fact is that the internal chambers were constructed of Granite with a very high concentration of Quartz - loaded by the shear weight of blocks we know what quartz does don't we ? It gives off a frequency - if those who think that the pyramids were a mystery as far as construction dig into the quartz frequency theories


"Quartz can produce an electrical reaction. Minerals with this ability are called piezoelectric. The electrical reaction can be created by applying a charge, physical stress, or heat. Quartz is also distinguished as a gem that is capable of triboluminescence, or the ability to create light under pressure. This mystery light is not electricity in the form that we know it, but it is often mistaken as such. The most prominent scientific theory is that it is caused by the separation of chemical and electrical bonds. Diamonds are actually insulators; they do not conduct electricity. "



Read more: How to Make Electricity With Quartz or Diamonds | eHow.com www.ehow.com...



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by secretsofthesunsects
Hans


''They don't the acceptance of the pyramids as tombs came well before that pyramid was found''

Amazing how little evidence there actually was before the mainstream followed the doomed tomb view. Gotta luv them for their persistence. Did you find that shin bone, surely that would a fair percentage of the actual evidence too.


The ancient wrote about them being tombs, its what the ancient said not modern man


Cambodia


Lovely place I really enjoyed my time there - one of the few places in Asia you can get good French style bread, amazing ruins



I am sure you will just spend your time trying to grapple with the way stiffs fit into the premise. A bit like Scott's ideas. He has picked up on vital aspect of the ancient ''religious'' centers that has kind of been glossed over. The modern religons point to these places for their origins. It would hardly suit the spiritual to be associated with the crop processors, cooks and grain distribution of the old world. Its all about the spirit after all
This is something the principled of the church initiated. The doomed tomb views and the religious mumbo jumbo that the orthodoxy spends itself mired in is a cover story to support today's faiths, what a laugh hey?.


No you should but up your theory, remember we don't know what you know but you talk like we do, we don't - unless you put up your theory you statements are not connected to anything and don't make much sense


Scott has taken a lot of flack, but essentially there were crop stores around the main sites. The ziggurats (step pyramids) of the middle east were famed storage spots. Whilst I appreciate the idea has been extended a little far into the recovery vault, it is more closely linked tot he real function of the pyramids than the absolutely pointless stiffs in the ground. Well pointless if you don't buy all the mainstream fluff. anything can be used to hold a corpse, shame the pyramids rarely did.


So what did they do with all these bodies?


The Ancient solar Premise is simple enough Hans, Cheops is a little more complicated. You start there, I start with the 1000's of shrines all over the world that operate on the community scale. The step pyramids worked for a city wide area. They are the remnants of an ancient solar industry, we have a lot to learn from these people.


So they built a huge structure for using sunlight but built it away from the habitations?



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by NorthStreet1
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Well interesting but that would mean the entire world must be flooded with 'zillions' of frequencies from the gadzillions tons of granite that is buired beneath us.

What exactly would this tiny amount in the pyramids do now?....one must ask why they didn't just leave it in the ground and do x and y there?

Eh!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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With a little research you'll find some inner chambers were lined with quartz -

"Orion Infrasound Pyramid at Resonance

The limestone blocks of the Orion pyramids consist of mostly calcite mineral, whose structure can be triangular and octahedral in various forms. Each of the Giza pyramids is apparently designed as the top half of an octahedron, monumental formations of calcite. The angular mathematics of the Orion pyramidal design will be addressed shortly, but their limestone blocks contain information regarding the construction methods of the pyramid builders."

www.humanresonance.org...

If only we knew - but looking at anything ancient it is easy to view it as simplistic when in fact maybe we the viewers are the simplistic ones



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune
Well interesting but that would mean the entire world must be flooded with 'zillions' of frequencies from the gadzillions tons of granite that is buired beneath us.

What exactly would this tiny amount in the pyramids do now?....one must ask why they didn't just leave it in the ground and do x and y there?

Eh!



It is though, interesting to ponder whether such principles as magnetic memory may have had any influence...

www.springerlink.com...

deepblue.lib.umich.edu...

I suppose, if they were under the illusion that certain 'properties' existed, they may have wished to find a way to harness those 'properties'.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune


An aside I wonder if the Greeks evershowed themselves building a tomb? Interesting search idea


Adding to my comments I did find an Egyptian depiction of a tomb

Ramesses the IV tomb

But unfortunately it is 1400 years after the height of the pyramid age, dang



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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And of course, such properties, assuming they were aware of them...would be as conducive to the pyramids as tombs, as they would to some of the other uses that have been at times proposed, perhaps more so.

informahealthcare.com...

www.rwhit.dsl.pipex.com...



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by secretsofthesunsects
As for the mainstream view, carry on posting. It is hardly above top secret, we all know the mainstream view.


If only that were true.

I've seen the mainstream view misrepresented here at ATS (as part of the multitude of straw-man arguments here) so many times that it's almost uncountable.

It's certainly the norm here that a poster is unaware of the evidence that has led to the mainstream view. It might even be the norm that a poster here doesn't actually know what the mainstream view is.

Harte


Howdy Harte

This is to be a list of the mainstream evidence - and as noted above rarely noted or understood by alternative and fringe posters.


I applaud you for the effort and, as you can see from my post which you quoted, in my opinon it is a thread that is sorely needed here.

On the other hand, it likely won't be read by many of those posters that really need this.

Harte



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by secretsofthesunsects
Hans
''They don't the acceptance of the pyramids as tombs came well before that pyramid was found''

Amazing how little evidence there actually was before the mainstream followed the doomed tomb view. Gotta luv them for their persistence. Did you find that shin bone, surely that would a fair percentage of the actual evidence too.

I suppose you mean "the mainstream ancient Egyptians" here.

See, that's where the mainstream gets the idea. The ancient Egyptians state that pyramids are tombs for their kings.

Of course, we can't believe them, can we? Much better to make something up on our own. Surely we know better than them about their own culture and society, right?

Harte



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by NorthStreet1
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You know an often over looked fact is that the internal chambers were constructed of Granite with a very high concentration of Quartz - loaded by the shear weight of blocks we know what quartz does don't we ? It gives off a frequency - if those who think that the pyramids were a mystery as far as construction dig into the quartz frequency theories

Quartz doesn't "give off frequency."

Where on Earth did you get that and why do you believe it?

Peizoelectricity means "pressure" electricity.

If you squeeze quartz, you can get some electrons out, which go back in when you stop squeezing.

It works the other way around too. If you push in electrons, the quartz will bulge.

This "bulge - then - normal" activity can be translated into counting seconds and that's why watches work.

Not pyramids.

Harte



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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ummmm

The frequency at which the crystal oscillates depends on its shape, size, and the crystal plane on which the quartz is cut. The positions at which electrodes are placed can slightly change the tuning, as well. If the crystal is accurately shaped and positioned, it will oscillate at a desired frequency. In clocks and watches, the frequency is usually 32,768 Hz, and the crystal is cut in a small tuning fork shape on a particular crystal plane. This frequency is a power of two, just high enough so most people cannot hear it, yet low enough to permit inexpensive counters to derive a 1 second pulse.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by NorthStreet1
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ummmm

The frequency at which the crystal oscillates depends on its shape, size, and the crystal plane on which the quartz is cut. The positions at which electrodes are placed can slightly change the tuning, as well. If the crystal is accurately shaped and positioned, it will oscillate at a desired frequency. In clocks and watches, the frequency is usually 32,768 Hz, and the crystal is cut in a small tuning fork shape on a particular crystal plane. This frequency is a power of two, just high enough so most people cannot hear it, yet low enough to permit inexpensive counters to derive a 1 second pulse.


The crystal only oscillates because of an oscillating voltage that is being applied to it from the battery through a voltage regulation system.

For granite to "give off a frequency" as you so inelegantly put it, you would have to squeeze and release the granite at the frequency you desire.

The granite in the GP is not being physically stressed at any frequency. If it is stressed at all, it is constant, not oscillating.

Harte



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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wow whole lot of bs going on in this thread.
i mean really is there really such a need to insult people and attempt to belittle them?
and really a thread where we dont want to discuss things? a thread just to present one side?
gotta say it bothers me when smart people do crap like this i mean really why bother just make your list and sticky it since you do not seem to really want comment!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune


1. A complete lack of any evidence for another culture to have built them while at the same time massive amounts of evidence that the AE were there and evidence too of AE contact with other cultures around them

A: So what. The RVT accepts the AEs built the pyramids.

2. Writing inside or on the pyramids and writing associated with them by the Egyptians themselves:

A: So what. The RVT accepts the AEs built the pyramids.

Of the 100+ pyramids, six have direct textual attestation of their afterlife function
Only the writing of AE and later civilizations has been found in them and in association with them

A: The RVT accepts that the pyramids were instruments to ensure ‘’rebirth’.

3. The ancient, classical and later writers all refer to them as tombs. The Romans built one pyramid themselves and it was used as tomb

A: The RVT accepts that all pyramids may have been appropriated as tombs with intrusive burials. It further accepts that the later, much smaller pyramids *may* have been used as an original tomb.

4. The rubble, the rubble from the quarries (located near the pyramids) where the stone for the pyramids come from was dumped back into the quarries and those dumps were dug into during the 19th century. What was found in them? Cultural material from the Egyptians, no body else’s

A: The RVT accepts the AEs constructed the pyramids.

5.Technology, the pyramids were built using very (to our eyes) crude technology, using hammer stones, fire and water, bronze chisels, hand drawn bronze grit saws, etc. Which are found in the pre-dynastic and later Egyptian periods.

A: The RVT does not dispute this in any way.

6. Built in an existing Egyptian necropolis - with no destruction of other graves. The pyramids are not single objects but are enclosed in a large area, bounded by walls, and with a number of associate things inside that wall, all of which are Egyptian in nature

A: The RVT requires that the pyramids be built on the high plateaus of Egypt. That these high plateaus (such as Saqqara) already were the location of 1st and 2nd dynasty mastaba tombs is merely coincidental. That the pyramid shares the same high ground of the mastaba tombs should not imply that they were located on the high ground to serve the same function.

What we call "Giza" today was in ancient times just one extension of the massive and sprawling Memphite cemetery, which also includes Saqqara.

A: See above. Giza was also a high plateau essential for Recovery Vaults.

7. Of the 100+ pyramids, some have still been found with bodily remains inside

A: Why wouldn’t they? G3 and G3b, as well as a number of other pyramids, have been found with known intrusive burials. Present conclusive evidence of an original burial of an AE king in a pyramid with supporting contemporary texts that state that the pyramid was conceived and built as his tomb and you may have a case.

8. We have three examples of kings in their own tombs from later era.

A: Tombs? Or pyramids?

Of the 100+ pyramids, several have burial equipment in them Surrounded by the graves of their family members

A: Present an example of such from the first 14 pyramids built in ancient Egypt that is categorically known to be an original burial and not an intrusive burial. Furthermore, that the much smaller, inferior pyramids from later dynasties may have been utilised as tombs in no way proves that the first, giant pyramids were built to serve such a function.

Of the 100+ pyramids, several have Egyptian style sarcophagi in their burial chambers

A: An in the early, giant pyramids these were likely the archetype of the ‘Osiris Bed’ and NOT sarcophagi at all.

Of the 3 large pyramids at Giza, ALL had sarcophagi in their burial chambers

A: Prove they were sarcophagi and not something else such as, for example, the archetype of the ‘Osiris Bed’. Explain why the stone box in G2 was found with earth and the bones of a bull.

9. Of the 100+ pyramids, many have similar floor plans that coincide with the textually evidenced layout of the "afterlife" voyages of the soul. An aspect of Egyptian religion

A: Based on this line of reasoning I could show you the floor plan of the Svalbard Global Seed Vault and claim, on that basis, that it must be a tomb of an AE king given its similar floor plan.

Continued....

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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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10. The Egyptian culture that designed and built the pyramids used the pyramid shape as their symbol for "tomb", prior to that they used a symbols that looked like a mastaba, which is what they had used prior to inventing the step pyramid and later the true pyramid

A: No. The ‘pyramid’ symbol (Gardiner’s O24) does not mean ‘tomb’ but rather ‘rebirth chamber’ or ‘mansion of creation’, hence why it emulated the primeval 'mound of creation'. The mastaba symbol ALWAYS meant ‘tomb’ right through AE history. The AEs built mastabas (i.e. tombs) BEFORE the pyramid-age, DURING the pyramid age and long AFTER the pyramid age. The rectangular mastaba was a tomb, the square pyramid was a Recovery Vault. Form follows function – rectangular mastaba=tomb, square pyramid=Recovery Vault (i.e. ‘rebirth chamber’ of the kingdom, not the king). The mastaba was for physical death and spiritual resurrection whereas the pyramid was for 'sleep' and corporeal (re)creation (of the kingdom). In short, the pyramid was not so much the tomb of the king but rather the womb of the kingdom.

11. The C-14 tests, putting the pyramids and other monuments into the time frame attested by early work on king lists, two arrays of tests

A: The RVT accepts the AEs constructed the pyramids.

12. The builder’s villages, villages of people who built pyramids near Giza and a small worker's village has also been uncovered that seems to have been allotted the task of constructing Khentkawes' tomb. In some ways they are similar to a builders village associated with the tombs in the Valley of the Kings

A: The RVT accepts the AEs constructed the pyramids.

13. The ancient Egyptian religion: The religion concentrated on the pharaoh, the king of Egypt. Although he was deemed a human, the pharaoh was believed to be descended from the gods. He acted as the intermediary between his people and the gods, and was obligated to maintain communication between the gods and man through rituals and offerings so that they could maintain order in the universe. The ancient Egyptians dedicated enormous resources to the performance of these rituals and to the construction of the temples to honour the Gods. An important aspect of the religion was the belief in the afterlife and funerary practices. The Egyptians made great efforts to ensure the survival of their souls after death, providing tombs, grave goods, and offerings to preserve the bodies and spirits of the deceased. This devotion to the Pharaoh and preservation of his body led to the pyramids. As we have seen in other cultures, excessive resources have been used to massage an elites ego by preparing a massive burial edifice or gifts

A: Where did the concept of ‘preservation leading to rebirth’ come from? The Osirian doctrine of the ‘Afterlife’ is not meta-physical, it is not about a resurrection in the hereafter. The Osirian ‘rebirth’ concept is more about ‘recovery from injury’ in this life rather than resurrection in the next after physical death in this life. Why would the Osirian ‘rebirth’ doctrine be corporeal in nature rather than spiritual? How do Egyptologists explain this form of ‘rebirth’? And what Egyptologists classify as ‘grave goods’ is just absurd. Vast quantities of seed (wheat, barley and many others) found all over the Step Pyramid complex as well as 40,000 stone vessels for storage/distribution of such can in no way be classed as ‘grave goods’ – the idea is an insult to intelligence. This evidence represents the remnant of a ‘recovery cache’ and had nothing to do with grave goods.

Of course, it is easy to see how the Recovery Vaults would have inspired the religious ideas that followed. If they could succeed as ‘rebirth’ instruments for the kingdom then they could work as rebirth instruments for later kings. Such is the way that religions are formed and evolve.

Regards,

SC
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 04:17 AM
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Hans

it is always entertaining listening to proponents of the doomed tomb view. Really strange you do not give any credence to the intrusion burial view. It might explain why all of your example pyramids are only PROBABLE primary internments.

'So they built a huge structure for using sunlight but built it away from the habitations?'

Depends where you are talking about. The average farm had a small device. The average town had a nice big ziggurat. The cities such as Angkor had processing complexes, effectively solar factories. Cheops as I keep saying is another matter altogether and you have o understand the water side to graps it.

Of course there can't have been water there under the doomed tomb view, maybe the mummies were wearing aqualungs
Only joking Hans, they didn't come onto the scene until Cheops was long dried up, well except beneatht the ground, ever seen the hydro systems underneath the plateau?

Regards

Chris



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by secretsofthesunsects
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Hans

it is always entertaining listening to proponents of the doomed tomb view. Really strange you do not give any credence to the intrusion burial view. It might explain why all of your example pyramids are only PROBABLE primary internments.


I do but not the in same way you do, after they were built as tombs, later intrusions did occur



Depends where you are talking about. The average farm had a small device.


Then there should be lots of examples in the archaeological record - link please


The average town had a nice big ziggurat.


No city at Giza just the village used by the builders-and they had conventional cooking systems, why would they build such a huge structure a cemetery field?


The cities such as Angkor had processing complexes, effectively solar factories.Cheops as I keep saying is another matter altogether and you have o understand the water side to graps it.


Actually I suspect you don't expain it to promote your book sales.......



Of course there can't have been water there under the doomed tomb view, maybe the mummies were wearing aqualungs
Only joking Hans, they didn't come onto the scene until Cheops was long dried up, well except beneatht the ground, ever seen the hydro systems underneath the plateau?


You mean the natural limestone caves or the tunnels associated with Osiris and such
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Well thank you Scott

You put up a reply we could deal with. I do note it is from the point of view of your theory. Great, we'll deal with that when we get to fringe and alternative concepts



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by The Benevolent Adversary
wow whole lot of bs going on in this thread.
i mean really is there really such a need to insult people and attempt to belittle them?
and really a thread where we dont want to discuss things? a thread just to present one side?
gotta say it bothers me when smart people do crap like this i mean really why bother just make your list and sticky it since you do not seem to really want comment!


Yes

You will find on ATS endless threads on this subject which ignore, deny, strawman to death, the mainstream evidence, this is to be source to easily link to provide said evidence for comparsion and discussion

And yes it will go, in a summary version to the sticky - but we aren't finished yet, need to complete the mainstream evidence portions then do the alternative and fringe theories





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