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Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by iwilliam
I am a man of such strong principle I have extreme difficulty standing behind censorship in any capacity. But I have to say I really, really, really dislike this group, and this was a deserved move, for all involved.
While I don't blindly support the military any more than I support hateful church groups, IMO one should have a certain amount of respect for the soldier, and their families, even if not for the institution. These are people. People whose families have fought, believing in this country, regardless of the real agenda of their puppet masters.
I almost take this as proof that god exists. Or maybe that he feels the same way about westboro baptist as the rest of us.
While (and this is an important point) I do not endorse the limitation of freedoms by the government, especially in areas of free speech, I have seen these people go too far. Some of their tactics could be considered harrassment. Kudos to congress for doing this. Just don't ever do it again.edit on 4-8-2012 by iwilliam because: (no reason given)
Exactly, they're not protesting, they're harassing people - most of the time, their protests have nothing to do with the people they're protesting against. They've been banned from ever entering the U.K. and I think every country should ban them, including their own U.S. which they seem to hate so much. I bet they'd have a ton of fun if they had no place to live.
Exactly. When you think about it, no one's free speech is being removed. They can write on their blog whatever the hell they want and say and feel and think and believe whatever they want. But if they continually do nothing but harass people during funerals, why shouldn't this be legally recognized as harassment?
The laws could be changed all kinds of ways to accommodate ending WBC's attacks as well as preserving free speech. They could just make funerals altogether defined as something different, etc.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by DarthOej
Passing any kind of legislation like this is wrong from both ends. First, it will only give these WBC loons validation. Putting them in the national spotlight AGAIN is just what they want. Why do we keep helping their cause? Second, and most important, this is a huge slap in the face to the very people this law is meant to protect. These soldiers died in the line of duty. Part of that duty, as far as I know, is protecting and upholding the Constitution and the freedoms it grants us. Sort of hypocritical that some people want to usurp it just to protect feelings. Would they want that?
I am having a trouble finding any soldiers proudly cheering about how they will die for your right to libel, threaten, or harass dead people and their grieving loved ones. Why is that?
You all act like free speech means you can always say anything you want anywhere you want. That is not the case.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Thankfully some of you realize this is unconstitutional.
I'll be remembering who stood up and spoke out against freedom because they disagreed with the opinions of others based mostly on religious reasons.
Thanks to the few posters who stood up for freedom today and defended the rights of people that we don't agree with.
The anti-freedom crowd should be ashamed of the despicable nature they exhibit, and the cheap and underhanded tactics they are using to try to get back at their political opponents.
Whats worse?
Westboro trolling folks?
Or trampling free speech for everyone?
Shouldn't you folks have at least waited till winter time when it's cold to burn the constitution in the fireplace?
Originally posted by DarthOej
Can you give specific examples of that type of behavior?
I haven't heard of any. I don't know if this is a case of shouting fire in a crowded theater.
As another poster said, show us where in the constitution is says that people have the right to not have their feelings hurt.edit on 6-8-2012 by DarthOej because: Typo
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
I very much want to see Westboro go away and never be heard from again, but I just can't justify making a law that does have an effect on Free Speech and our Bill of Rights to do it.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by PurpleChiten
I very much want to see Westboro go away and never be heard from again, but I just can't justify making a law that does have an effect on Free Speech and our Bill of Rights to do it.
Does it bother you that the WBC cannot come on my property and express themselves? There are laws against that. Is it killing their right to free speech?
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by DarthOej
Can you give specific examples of that type of behavior?
You cannot just look up the word libel yourself? You need me to use it in a sentence for you?
You are not sure if anyone has ever libeled someone, threatened someone before?
You have never heard of any such incidences ever happening?
Show me where in the constitution it says you have the right to not get punched in the face for what makes you happy.
Again, I do not care about hurt feelings. I care about the fact that while there are plants you cannot grow, weapons you cannot own, etc. etc. and you all just quietly accept that crap you are here fighting for a right not one of you needs or knows why you would ever want.
Originally posted by DarthOej
Come on guy, freedom of speech wouldn't apply on your property. The 1st amendment doesn't give people the right to trespass.edit on 10-8-2012 by DarthOej because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DarthOej
I was referring to WBC members specifically.
That's a poor example. We have laws that punish those who commit assault on another person.
Ignore them, stage a counter protest, whatever. Are you saying that we don't need or want the right to protest?
edit on 10-8-2012 by DarthOej because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KeliOnyx
I don't know what is more appalling the morons cheering for this or the WBC and their protests. Sorry folks this can not be allowed to be upheld by the courts. Free speech includes unpopular and deranged speech it is the price of living in a free society and goes against the entire concept of free speech altogether. While these people are among the most vile and disgusting groups out there, applauding the Congress on this puts your rights in danger.edit on 10-8-2012 by KeliOnyx because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
We are discussing this topic on ATS LIVE tonight in the SECOND hour....if any of yall would like to call in and discuss we would LOVE to have you!! It does not matter your stance on the matter - we welcome all opinions !!
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edit on August 11th 2012 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)