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Originally posted by iwilliam
I am a man of such strong principle I have extreme difficulty standing behind censorship in any capacity. But I have to say I really, really, really dislike this group, and this was a deserved move, for all involved.
While I don't blindly support the military any more than I support hateful church groups, IMO one should have a certain amount of respect for the soldier, and their families, even if not for the institution. These are people. People whose families have fought, believing in this country, regardless of the real agenda of their puppet masters.
I almost take this as proof that god exists. Or maybe that he feels the same way about westboro baptist as the rest of us.
While (and this is an important point) I do not endorse the limitation of freedoms by the government, especially in areas of free speech, I have seen these people go too far. Some of their tactics could be considered harrassment. Kudos to congress for doing this. Just don't ever do it again.edit on 4-8-2012 by iwilliam because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PsykoOps
So 1st amendment only applies if you agree with the message? That's not very american.
Originally posted by jacobe001
Of course you don't mind losing the right to protests at funerals, and others don't mind if we loose the right to protest (insert here). It's a slippery slope your going down and making yourself the enemy of freedom loving people, which our criminal politicians have already taken much away.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Their right of free speech is no less valuable or critical to our overall freedom than mine.
There are certain types of speech that are already against the law.
I really do not mind losing the right to protest funerals.
I cannot see any just need to ever do so for anyone in civilized society.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
If anyone here has a decent argument, I want to hear it. Just pointing out what I said is not enough. What is wrong with it and be specific.
There are lots of things you cannot say just because you want to.
Convince me that protesting funerals is something I am going to want or need ever.
Originally posted by beezzer
Why does it have to be about you?
Show me in the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, ANYWHERE where it is against the law to have your feelings hurt.
You are narrow-minded and have no respect for the freedom of others.
Originally posted by DarthOej
Passing any kind of legislation like this is wrong from both ends. First, it will only give these WBC loons validation. Putting them in the national spotlight AGAIN is just what they want. Why do we keep helping their cause? Second, and most important, this is a huge slap in the face to the very people this law is meant to protect. These soldiers died in the line of duty. Part of that duty, as far as I know, is protecting and upholding the Constitution and the freedoms it grants us. Sort of hypocritical that some people want to usurp it just to protect feelings. Would they want that?
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Then the grieving family have the right to bury your loved ones in peace.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Then the grieving family have the right to bury your loved ones in peace.
I have never heard of such a right. As I said they've been limited in their actions already to keep them peacefull. There's this slippery slope thing that I'd worry about. I mean next ows they would just cry "I have a right to work and these protesters insult me and make me afraid to go to work" and by same standard you can throw any hope of OWS out of the window.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
You're welcome, very clever I don't see how bunch of closet gays fidling with signs a hundred meters away would prevent anyone from doing anything. They aren't allowed into the churches or semetaries after all.
Originally posted by Sek82
Eight pages later and the realization that the 1st Amendment never protected protests at funerals in the first place for a variety of reasons might finally be setting in for some.
Why do you not state DEMOCRAT in your post as well? www.youtube.com... A little biased yourself???? Or did you just fall off the turnip truck?
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by SloAnPainful
On the other hand, where do restrictions stop, and why is it okay for a Republican politician to promote intolerance and hatred of others from a political platform to an entire country, but not okay for these freaks in a small event like that?
Even though I am not American, I'm looking at this from the perspective of other American citizens. What the Westboro freaks think wouldn't scare me or threaten me, but the religious beliefs a Republican politician running for Presidency espouses on the podium definitely would.
They can no longer hate on people however they like, but a Republican candidate can quote the Bible as an excuse to remove the rights of American citizens and everyone thinks that's perfectly fine?
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by iwilliam
I am a man of such strong principle I have extreme difficulty standing behind censorship in any capacity. But I have to say I really, really, really dislike this group, and this was a deserved move, for all involved.
While I don't blindly support the military any more than I support hateful church groups, IMO one should have a certain amount of respect for the soldier, and their families, even if not for the institution. These are people. People whose families have fought, believing in this country, regardless of the real agenda of their puppet masters.
I almost take this as proof that god exists. Or maybe that he feels the same way about westboro baptist as the rest of us.
While (and this is an important point) I do not endorse the limitation of freedoms by the government, especially in areas of free speech, I have seen these people go too far. Some of their tactics could be considered harrassment. Kudos to congress for doing this. Just don't ever do it again.edit on 4-8-2012 by iwilliam because: (no reason given)
Exactly, they're not protesting, they're harassing people - most of the time, their protests have nothing to do with the people they're protesting against. They've been banned from ever entering the U.K. and I think every country should ban them, including their own U.S. which they seem to hate so much. I bet they'd have a ton of fun if they had no place to live.