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Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests, Delivers Blow To Westboro Baptist Church

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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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Agreed. Free speach is free speach.

CJ




posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:13 AM
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I'm glad. I'm all for freedom of speech but these nuts needed to be reigned in. They cause heartache to others and for no good reason. I don't like seeing the rights of others taken away but WBC takes the rights of others away when they wouldn't have their right to free speech if not for those whose funerals they protest.

Our govt doesn't provide enough for our veterans... The least they can do is give them and their families the proper burial and memorial service.


 
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:19 AM
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Couldn't agree more.

This law does more harm to the families of the fallen than the westboro nutjobs ever could. They fought under, and in support of, the Constitution of the United States completely; not to uphold it as long as it fits some news media agenda or some politicians agenda or some other agenda.

Having served throughout multiple conflicts and having lost friends I can absolutely say I do NOT support this type of curtailment of the 1st amendment. I can't stand these stupid bastards either, however, you cannot curtail freedom of speech because you disagree with it.

Besides, local municipalities, cities and counties have come up with statutes or creative ways to block these idiots anyhow. On top of that, who really cares about these dip#s anyhow? They are old news. Hell, if I died in a war zone tomorrow I would almost be disappointed if they didn't show up to protest. It is kind of expected.

In closing, think about this. There is something that you can't stand. Think about it for a second. Then think about the others who can't stand the same thing. Now imagine that the government passed a law against you speaking about this thing you can't stand because they disagree with you. Imagine being arrested and incarcerated for having an opinion that differs from the "mainstream".

I know you have at least one opinion that would fit this description. You know it as well.

That, is what this law does. It arrests people the government disagrees with. Yet another affront on the Constitution. I hope these westboro crackpots sue and take it all the way to the Supreme Court and win because they have the right, just as you or I do, and if you take it from them, you give it up for yourself.

Fools.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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The constitution does not guarantee unchecked, totally free speech. It does guarantee the right to PEACEABLY assemble. What WBC does it not peaceable.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by cassiper
I'm glad. I'm all for freedom of speech but these nuts needed to be reigned in.

You are all for freedom of speech, except the speech of "nuts" you don't agree with. Then it isn't really freedom of speech is it? It is freedom of acceptable speech.


I don't like seeing the rights of others taken away but WBC takes the rights of others away when they wouldn't have their right to free speech if not for those whose funerals they protest.

What rights has this group infringed upon? The right not to listen to someone else's opinion because they disagree with it? I will have to go re-read the Constitution again to find that right enumerated there. I must have missed it.


Our govt doesn't provide enough for our veterans... The least they can do is give them and their families the proper burial and memorial service.

Last time I attended the funerals of any of my friends or family members who died in service I felt the government did a pretty bang up job. Rifles, flags, soldiers, and all the appropriate protocol. What is it you expect the government to do?



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by cetaphobic
The constitution does not guarantee unchecked, totally free speech. It does guarantee the right to PEACEABLY assemble. What WBC does it not peaceable.


Please reference or link to the Article under the Constitution that curtails free speech. I would love to read it.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by cetaphobic
The constitution does not guarantee unchecked, totally free speech. It does guarantee the right to PEACEABLY assemble. What WBC does it not peaceable.


Please reference or link to the Article under the Constitution that curtails free speech. I would love to read it.




The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

en.wikipedia.org...
The bolded part curtails free speech.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by cetaphobic
The constitution does not guarantee unchecked, totally free speech. It does guarantee the right to PEACEABLY assemble. What WBC does it not peaceable.


Please reference or link to the Article under the Constitution that curtails free speech. I would love to read it.



The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.


First Amendment to the United States of America

-SAP-
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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Recommend you get off your ass and vote for your local sheriff or city council-person who can address your concerns since these concerns can be taken care of locally. Doesn't need more federal incursion.

BTW: if everyone feels so passionate about this crap, there is a way to address it. It is called an amendment to the Constitution. We continue to allow these "laws" that are an attack on the Constitution when we all know that these things would never, ever, ever, be ratified. So, go on supporting this and then shut your F...ing mouths when the the next right they take away affects you.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by SloAnPainful


Good! Personally I think this is a great thing. I can understand the right for people to protest for what they believe in, but what these protesters are doing at military funerals is just flat out wrong and should not be allowed to take place.

I am glad that congress finally came together and agreed that something need to be done on this issue. Now I am sure there will be people saying this is a infringement on their rights. Which, in a sense it is. But what they do is wrong. Saying it was "God's will" to kill the soldiers and that it is part of "God's plan". Imagine how the families of these soldiers feel?


The bill also contains a variety of measures meant to address veterans health, benefits, housing and education. Obama is expected to sign to the legislation later this month.


So what do you think ATS?

www.huffingtonpost.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Yeah Whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Want to know how I feel...truly? My father was one of the first US Green Berets ever and a Vietnam Vet (1960 - 1963 first term) instead of giving him his props they called him an "advisor". That's how I feel about Washington's Bull Crap!!!!!!!!! Not to mention my Dad returned to camp missing half of his teeth...they put him in the category of POW/Unknown!!!!!!! What, unknown....my Dad went missing for at least 30 days and when he returned he was missing half of his teeth!!!!!! I won't play the race card because it's unnecessary.



ETA:
BTW, Go Obama
Oh and BTW again, if they wanted to help my Dad, they wouldn't have waited for him to be deemed a victim of Agent Orange, Pink, White and blue until after he died of Prostate Cancer. Flame me all day if you want to...I could careless, my Dad was a real American Hero, and in the end he got nothing
...not even a flag under the Bush or Obama era. And yeeesss, I've asked to no avail.

Anger couldn't make my words more clear that I'm angry
Yeah, I'm MAD!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, I forgot to add that his DD214 got burnt up in a mysterious fire around 1973...perfect
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Yes, I have read the First Amendment to the US Constitition. I was asking for a reference to where it defines exactly what types of speech is NOT free, as cetaphobic was referring to.

ETA: I noticed you underlined "peaceably assemble". If you are insinuating they are not peaceful that is fine. There are municipal statues and codes on the books of all cities and towns to deal with disturbance of the peace already. We do NOT need a federal law infringing on the rights of free speech in order to stop people from being violent.

However, I don't remember these jackasses being violent. I will have to google it.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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I know it's all politics and everyone has a strong opinion on it. I like seeing different opinions because then it makes me stop and think about the other side of the argument.

-SAP-



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1
 


I know it's all politics and everyone has a strong opinion on it. I like seeing different opinions because then it makes me stop and think about the other side of the argument.

-SAP-


Only if your politics are not in line with the Constitution of the United States.

If you have a disagreement with our Constitution you can always leave. Or lobby for an Amendment to remove or curtail the 1st Amendment if you don't like it.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono
reply to post by SloAnPainful
 


Yes, I have read the First Amendment to the US Constitition. I was asking for a reference to where it defines exactly what types of speech is NOT free, as cetaphobic was referring to.

ETA: I noticed you underlined "peaceably assemble". If you are insinuating they are not peaceful that is fine. There are municipal statues and codes on the books of all cities and towns to deal with disturbance of the peace already. We do NOT need a federal law infringing on the rights of free speech in order to stop people from being violent.

However, I don't remember these jackasses being violent. I will have to google it.
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Not sure if he was refering to this?



Free speech zones are areas set aside in public places for political activists to exercise their right of freedom of speech as an exercise of what is commonly called "TPM" or "time, place, manner" regulation of speech. Free speech zones are set up by the Secret Service who scout locations near which the president is to pass or speak. Officials may target those displaying signs and escort them to the free speech zones before and during the event. Protesters who refuse to go to free speech zones could be arrested and charged with trespassing, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest. In 2003, a seldom-used federal law was brought up that says that "willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting" is a crime.


ETA; After reading it , it doesn't sound like that's not what he ment...

-SAP-
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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"Free speech zones" are by their very nature curtailing freedom of speech. The Constitution allows for freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. Period. It does not say you can only assemble or speak freely where the government deems it acceptable.

So no, that is not what I meant. I was specifically referring to your underlining of the words "peaceably assemble" from the 1st amendment and that I had not heard that these idiots were being violent. I was also stating that if they were being violent then the local cops should take care of them under exiting laws and statues of that city or town.

So, we do NOT need laws to curtail speech that we don't agree with.


ETA: was the double negative intended to insinuate that is what I meant? That I agreed with these unconstitutional "free speech "zones? tsk tsk.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1
 


I know it's all politics and everyone has a strong opinion on it. I like seeing different opinions because then it makes me stop and think about the other side of the argument.

-SAP-


Only if your politics are not in line with the Constitution of the United States.

If you have a disagreement with our Constitution you can always leave. Or lobby for an Amendment to remove or curtail the 1st Amendment if you don't like it.


Certainly that wasn't for me...but if you only knew half of what I know my father endured for you/us/me and this Nation it would make you sick and I'm still mad



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1
 


I know it's all politics and everyone has a strong opinion on it. I like seeing different opinions because then it makes me stop and think about the other side of the argument.

-SAP-


The other side of the argument is slow and painful my dear and without acknowledgement.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1
 


I know it's all politics and everyone has a strong opinion on it. I like seeing different opinions because then it makes me stop and think about the other side of the argument.

-SAP-


Only if your politics are not in line with the Constitution of the United States.

If you have a disagreement with our Constitution you can always leave. Or lobby for an Amendment to remove or curtail the 1st Amendment if you don't like it.


You and I know it's just not that simple



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by ThePublicEnemyNo1
Certainly that wasn't for me...but if you only knew half of what I know my father endured for you/us/me and this Nation it would make you sick and I'm still mad


I know what my father endured, and my uncle, and my grandfather from WWII, and my cousins in the Balkans, and my own tours throughout the ME in the early 90s and in 05 and 06. As recently as two weeks ago I was taking my father to/from VA hospitals. I have seen the ailments and suffer my own.

So. While I sympathize with your anger, I, and my relatives, live what you only witnessed. We have the broken backs, loss of hearing, missing eyes, horrible scars (some physical and some mental) and other ailments that have yet to have an official, recognized definition.

All that being said, please ask any one of us what we think about the Constitution and we will all agree it is the best document supporting the best country on earth and that it must be upheld and defended. We will also say that because some politicians made decisions that were abhorrent and/or unconstitutional that that is NO reason to be against the Constitution because it is the fault of those PEOPLE that your father suffered. It is also the fault of WE the PEOPLE for not ensuring that those that represent us actually represent us.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by ThePublicEnemyNo1

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1
 


I know it's all politics and everyone has a strong opinion on it. I like seeing different opinions because then it makes me stop and think about the other side of the argument.

-SAP-


Only if your politics are not in line with the Constitution of the United States.

If you have a disagreement with our Constitution you can always leave. Or lobby for an Amendment to remove or curtail the 1st Amendment if you don't like it.


You and I know it's just not that simple


You are right, and it is not supposed to be. Amendments are hard. They were designed to be that way to ensure that stupid and frivolous laws were not passed that would....oh, I don't know.....infringe upon a persons freedom of speech for example?






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