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Originally posted by desert
Another saying I remember from childhood (my family had both registered Reps and Dems, and cross party or split voting on ballots was common back then) was "With Democrats you get war, with Republicans you get depressions."
Well, things started to change after 1980. Reagan got America involved in small scale wars euphemistically called "low intensity conflicts", along with recessions hitting the nation, and the banks and savings and loans getting looted by rich crooks who knew the fed would bail out the accounts.
By the time Clinton was elected, Dems got smarter about war, reformed welfare, and there was a budget surplus.
Then, and here's where the thread topic comes in, GW Bush became POTUS. If you were into the lifestyle of the rich and famous, you could get a job as, say FEMA director. If you were wealthy and owned big oil support services (like VP Cheney, who also got wealthier from military support businesses in wartime) or defense businesses, then an elective war would be started in Iraq and your coffers would grow with tax dollars, and any extra dollars needed for the war would be put on the charge card to be dealt with later, by someone else, after you left the scene of the crime.
...hmmmm, I'm reminded of how a spouse runs up debt on charge cards and buys with loans with your name, then asks for a divorce, leaving the debt behind for you to pay. ....and it gets worse sometimes, if the spouse gives away your money to her/his friends right before s/he walks away, leaving you without money to pay off the debt s/he incurred. ....and you're stuck with a minimum wage job....gonna be a long, long...long time before your situation turns around. ....
Anyway, if you were into any sort of nation building business back then, even though I remember candidate Bush on TV statiing he would not nation build like his opponent, you got wealthier. ...I also remember Bush stating on tv that the U.S. would remain in Iraq “as long as necessary and not one day more.”...of course, the average citizen took that to mean when the fighting was over, but the "have mores" knew that meant we'ld leave as soon as every penny, every wealth, could be extracted from that country by and for them, no matter how long it took.
No, I just don't care for the Republican version of Santa Claus. I get coal in my stocking.
Originally posted by SeesFar
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Yeah, I remember that time that Obama said he was going to bring the troops home, close Gitmo, lower the debt, not let unemployment go above 8%, stop all the lobbying, create transparency and kill the Patriot Act. Whew! Good things candidates don't lie, huh?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Clinton had a Republican controlled Congress for the last 6 of his 8 years in Office. It was a Republican Congress that passed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996.
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Historically, we seem to do better with a balance of power - when the President is of one Party and the Congress is controlled by the other Party.
if Barack Obama thinks that he's going to get a free pass on this thing because he speaks well, he's got another think coming. I'm telling you, the right wing talk shows today, already, right now, are going to be yelling and screaming it's socialism and they are going to be falling back on the Two Santa Claus Theory without ever telling their poor duped listeners who think of themselves as conservatives who don't realize that they are voting and playing into the hands of the über rich in America, the corporations in America, the people who hate American democracy, small 'd' democracy, and believe in a kleptocracy, an aristocracy, of the very wealthy.
Unfortunately, Mr. Wanniski opened Pandora’s box when he let loose the two-Santa theory. Republicans are now bound to it, whether they know it or not. As Keynes once put it, “Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back.”
Originally posted by desert
Candidates do promise a lot, I'll agree. The Pres did bring home the Iraq troops. As far as the rest of his record, and policy, some of the strongest outcry comes not from his opponents but from Progressives. Here there can be agreement.
Originally posted by desert
Re the 106th Congress of Clinton's term. Also passed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. Talk about Republicans wanting to change the rules in favor of the Have Mores!
Originally posted by desert
Being POTUS entails politics, and I believe Obama believed he would get more support from Republicans to fulfill his campaign promises. But instead, he got, as demonstrated by this ATS thread "Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail"
Originally posted by desert
Obama gives the GOP their own conservative Health Care Act and tax cuts to compromise, but, unlike historically when working across the aisle, this time there is no compromise from the other side. In fact, more Congressional members are being elected who will not compromise, and proud of it.
Originally posted by desert
If the following two people can come to agreement over the GOP idiocy, there is still some hope. I used to blame weak kneed Dems for caving in to the GOP, then I realized even good GOP members were unable to stand up to their own party.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Now, who is this mystery Romney supporter....retired porn star Jenna Jameson.
news.yahoo.com...
"I'm very looking forward to a Republican being back in office," Jameson said while sipping champagne in a VIP room at Gold Club in the city's South of Market neighborhood. "When you're rich, you want a Republican in office."
The sad thing is that she is 100% correct...the rich will benefit from Romney being in office...the middle and low class will suffer.
And how would Romney get voted into office...by getting the majority vote from those he is going to screw over....the low and middle class.
It's kind of sad when someone like Jenna Jameson sees what is going on and others don't.
Originally posted by BritofTexas
I wonder if she's seen this?
Mitt Romney Aide Promises Crackdown On Porn