America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

reply to post by yadda333


What you don't see is that these sort of changes don't happen in a nation like the U.S.A. overnight. Otherwise you would have millions of people armed to their teeth beating down on the White House, Congress, and the House of Representatives...

Cuba, and other countries went through similar stages which occurred over decades. in some countries the changes occurred faster. But there is no mistaken that the U.S. is becoming more and more a socialist/fascist dictatorship.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Sad to say Captain Julio Lara knows nothing of socialist theory. He makes the elementary schoolboy error of mistaking totalitrianism for communism. Totalitarianism can come from a right or leftwing government.

There is no chance of a communist takeover occuring in the next 10 years. for the following reasons.

1) Communism has been thorughly discredited by Gorbachev.

2) The class struggle is at an all time low. Look at the number of strikes over the last 30 years and look a the declining trend which continues to this day.

3) Look at the membership of the various marxist/maoist/Trotskyist parties over the last 30 years and then explain why membership is at an all time low!

Look at civil disobedience nlevels.

In fact please look at any social indicator that a pot smoking pseudo revolutionary can quote and see the decline over time to date.

How in gods name can the USA be on the verge of a communist takeover!!!!!!!


My god ATS has gone downhill fast!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
That person bought the same things about socialism/communism as you seem to have bought, but he woke up to reality... He didn't participate in the executions done by the castro brothers and Che Guevara...

I don't really care when he had a change of heart. You're the one that equates communists/socialists to nazis.

Care to show what I twisted?...

Nope, because you have never acknowledged it when it has been pointed out in the past so I don't see why it would be any different now.

Oh please... You obviously have no idea that Cubans die in the ocean, or eaten by sharks trying to get out of there. Not to mention that what happens in other countries like Haiti, is not because of capitalism...

Again, you are only showing ignorance and nothing more.

I have also met cubans that had the opportunity to defect and decided to return to Cuba. People have different ways of looking at things.

Doesn't matter why, that fact remains that a country being capitalist does not keep these things from happening.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Exactly, all of this socialization started at least since 1913, when Progressive Democrats, under a Progressive Democrat President Woodrow Wilson implemented "Progressive" legislation such as the Federal Reserve, the IRS as it exists now, and other legislation to regulate small businesses which were implemented with the claim that they would regulate large businesses, when in fact these "Progressive" legislations gave the power over the economy, and future of the U.S.A. to the international banker socialist/fascist elites who own the Federal Reserve banks.

If these legislation hadn't been implemented we wouldn't be in this situation we are in now. We could still be using the silver and gold standard instead of paper, with nothing to back it except empty promises, for tender coin.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Care to show what I twisted?...

Nope, because you have never acknowledged it when it has been pointed out in the past so I don't see why it would be any different now.

Thank You!!



Leave this one be. She has her own internal demons to fight off when she's ready...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Good wake-up call


They are slow boiling the frog.

They follow this to start with and then step-by-step they micro manage and tweak.

Does any of this look "familiar" ??

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by SG-17
If this is true (and I severely doubt it) I would have to say ABOUT DAMN TIME.

I see, so you are one of them who has accepted the indoctrination fully... nice knowing you...

BTW, if you like socialism/communism so much why haven't you moved to a country that has fully embraced it instead of wanting another nation to fall into another leftwinger dictatorship?...

edit on 3-8-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

Because there haven't been any Communist countries.

There have only been Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, Juche, and Castrian governments who march under the banner of Communism but aren't true communists in the slightest. The day that there is a True Communist nations, I'd gladly move there, for it would be a utopia by definition.

"Communism" is a word that is misused extensively.

However in reality, all governments claiming that name were more like straight up totalitarian dictatorships using lies to convince the slave-class to submit.

The USSR or PRC was as "Communist" as we are a "Democracy".
I won't buy into these misleading terms, I can see what it really is.

It's a system where der fuhrer says jump, and everyone asks "how high?".
A system where people's liberties are trampled in the name of "the state".

I oppose all forms of tyranny no matter what guise they hide themselves in.

Originally posted by daskakik

I don't really care when he had a change of heart. You're the one that equates communists/socialists to nazis.

Again, your reading comprehension needs some help. I wrote that facism is a form of socialism, and I proved it. Understand the difference now to what you are twisting and claiming I wrote?

Originally posted by daskakik
Nope, because you have never acknowledged it when it has been pointed out in the past so I don't see why it would be any different now.

In other words, I didn't twist anything I wrote in this thread and you can't prove your claim... Thank you very much.

Originally posted by daskakik
I have also met cubans that had the opportunity to defect and decided to return to Cuba. People have different ways of looking at things.

Yeah, I also saw the film by Oliver Stone where some Cubans had tried to leave by kidnapping a personal plane of a Cuban official, and when Stone interviewed them, after fidel had "talked" to them, they said that they took responsibility for what they did and accepted the sentence for trying to escape which was if I remember correctly death... It's not like the Cuban government would threaten with killing their family if these Cubans didn't say these things to Stone...

Originally posted by daskakik
Doesn't matter why, that fact remains that a country being capitalist does not keep these things from happening.

Ah, so MOST Americans in the U.S.A. have been going hungry, not making enough at all for the necessities for decades?... I see...

The OP represents nothing more than the basest case of scaremongering. Communism is either dead or is dying. Such red under the bed scare tactics and defamation might of scared the sheeple in the days of Joe Macarthy but simply hold no water today!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Again, your reading comprehension needs some help. I wrote that facism is a form of socialism, and I proved it. Understand the difference now to what you are twisting and claiming I wrote?

Sorry but you have not proven anything to anyone being objective. You've convinced yourself and no one is going to sway you from that.

In other words, I didn't twist anything I wrote in this thread and you can't prove your claim... Thank you very much.

No, in other words you are closed minded.

Yeah, I also saw the film by Oliver Stone where some Cubans had tried to leave by kidnapping a personal plane of a Cuban official, and when Stone interviewed them, after fidel had "talked" to them, they said that they took responsibility for what they did and accepted the sentence for trying to escape which was if I remember correctly death... It's not like the Cuban government would threaten with killing their family if these Cubans didn't say these things to Stone...

I never saw the film you are talking about. I was talking about cubans that I met face to face. One of them actually defected so, I guess the Cuban government didn't threaten to kill his family just the others.

Ah, so MOST Americans in the U.S.A. have been going hungry, not making enough at all for the necessities for decades?... I see...

I said 3rd world capitalist countries not the US. Hey, there's an example of you twisting things.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

In other words, I didn't twist anything I wrote in this thread and you can't prove your claim... Thank you very much.

I have been patiently waiting for you to respond to my last post. You conveniently passed over it for some reason. In that post I have shown twice how you have either twisted words or outright lied.

I'll say it again.....you lied!

You have completely discredited yourself in my opinion.

reply to post by neo96


Look to the Revolution, in Russia.

Civil war erupted between the "Red" (Bolshevik), and "White" (anti-Bolshevik) factions, which was to continue for several years, with the Bolsheviks ultimately victorious. In this way the Revolution paved the way for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). While many notable historical events occurred in Moscow and St. Petersburg, there was also a visible movement in cities throughout the state, among national minorities throughout the empire and in the rural areas, where peasants took over and redistributed land.

The indirect reason was that the government, in order to finance the war, had been printing off millions of rouble notes, and by 1917 inflation had made prices increase up to four times what they had been in 1914. The peasantry were consequently faced with the higher cost of purchases, but made no corresponding gain in the sale of their own produce, since this was largely taken by the middlemen on whom they depended. As a result they tended to hoard their grain and to revert to subsistence farming. Thus the cities were constantly short of food. At the same time rising prices led to demands for higher wages in the factories, and in January and February 1916 revolutionary propaganda, aided by German funds, lead to widespread strikes. The outcome of all this, however, was a growing criticism of the government rather than any war-weariness. The original fever of patriotic excitement, which had caused the name of St. Petersburg to be changed to the less German sounding Petrograd, may have subsided a little in the subsequent years, but it had not turned to defeatism and during the initial risings in Petrograd in February 1917, the crowds in the streets clearly objected to the banners proclaiming "down with the war". Heavy losses during the war also strengthened thoughts that Tsar Nicholas II was unfit to rule.[3]

Russian Revolution

Sorry Julio we aren't wussy cubans if they try that we will do very unkind things to those seeking to do so.
Thousands are waiting for that very thing.

Enough said......

Communism is either dead or is dying

That is rich considering communism is alive in well in China.North Korea,Vietnam,Cuba,Laos,Brazil,Ukraine,Uruguay and Syria.

1.3 billion people living under communism in China
25 million in North Korea
87 million in Vietnam
11 million in Cuba
6 million in Laos
200 million in Brazil
45 million in Ukraine
3 million in Uruguay

Near 2 billion people are living under communism today

Originally posted by SG-17

Because there haven't been any Communist countries.

There have only been Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, Juche, and Castrian governments who march under the banner of Communism but aren't true communists in the slightest. The day that there is a True Communist nations, I'd gladly move there, for it would be a utopia by definition.

Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, and other forms of communism are branches of communism... BTW, the dictatorship of Cuba has been Marxist in case you didn't know.

Anyway, pray tell us all what's so great about socialism/communism.

Do you understand at all that you will have no private property at all, which means that the CLAIM that "the workers own, and control the means of production" is a lie because NO ONE CAN OWN ANYTHING?... This is the reason why even under communism THE STATE/GOVERNMENT owns and controls the means of production...

I have already showed that Marx himself stated, and I quote;

“The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property” Karl Marx quotes (German political Philosopher and revolutionary, 1818-1883)

thinkexist.com...

There is no inheritance whatsoever under socialism/communism. This means that if your grand-parents, or parents built a house with their own hands, after they die, that house doesn't belong to you, son/daughter, and you have to pay the state rent on that house.

It means that pretty much EVERYONE, except the high ranks in the socialist/communist dictatorships, after a generation do not own any house and the government owns it all. Not to mention that if your grand-parents had let's say 10 acres of land the socialist/communist government takes most of it, if not all, from you.

Since it is the STATE/GOVERNMENT who own and control the means of production they dictate everything that you should or shouldn't build, and everything you should and should not plant/harvest.

Since "in the name of the collective" individual freedoms and liberties can be taken away, the freedoms and liberties of EVERYONE are taken away. Which is another fact that people like you can't fathom even when history has shown this to be true.

The reason why you, and others like you claim that "socialism/communism hasn't been tried" is because you have been brainwashed into thinking so, not because it is a fact...

Under socialism/communism, at least the original forms, religion and all forms of spirituality are banned, which means these systems seek to destroy the human soul/spirit.

“Philosophy is to the real world as masturbation is to sex”
...
“Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand”
Karl Marx quotes (German political Philosopher and revolutionary, 1818-1883)
...

thinkexist.com...

To Marx religion/spirituality were a symptom of a disease which must be eradicated. This is the reason why the original communist regimes have all been atheist and why all religions, and paths of life such as Christianity and Buddhism are banned.

What you CLAIM to be an utopia, is nothing but a true disease that must be eradicated...

Originally posted by Tiger5
The OP represents nothing more than the basest case of scaremongering. Communism is either dead or is dying. Such red under the bed scare tactics and defamation might of scared the sheeple in the days of Joe Macarthy but simply hold no water today!

Where do you get your history lessons from, Hollywood? Are you under the impression that communism is dead because Rocky beat that Soviet boxer and then Rambo went back and won the Vietnam war? Joe McCarthy has become the great deflection in the United States, and those using him as a deflection are doing so in hopes no one begins asking questions about Alger Hiss or Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and the Venona cables.

Had there not been a genuine communist threat then and a very real infiltration of communist agents in the highest offices of government, Joseph McCarthy would be nothing more than just another Senator.

Marxism pervades current U.S. ideology on so many levels only the "sheeple", who espouse these ideals and then ignorantly claim they are not Marxist simply because they've never read Marx, are lulled into believing "communism is dead".

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Since when is being a Cuban equal to being a NAZI?...

According to you, since they are both socialists.

I had an uncle who was a captain under castro's command fighting in "La Sierra Maestra", when he saw what castro was truly bringing to Cuba he turned his weapon, alongside other officers and soldiers, against castro and Che Guevara... Because of this he spent 15 years in a Cuban prison where he recieved daily beatings... Because of the beatings he lost a testicle, several vertebrae were dislodged in his spine, and had countless broken and fractured bones... He died in exile in the U.S. a few years back...

So, same type of stories exist coming the other way.

I guess according to you he was also a NAZI for TRULY fighting for the people when he saw the truth about socialism/communism?...

I was just using your terms, which I don't really agree with anyway.

I have already visited my family in Cuba in the year 2000 and spent about 3 months living with them...

There is NOTHING positive about socialism/communism...

And yet you live. You didn't starve to death, get sent to a gulag or stand before a firing squad. Guess it wasn't all that bad. Had it been as bad as you make it out to be you would have not spent 3 whole months there.

What they need now is money (which they use mainly to buy food in the black market), medicine and clothes which we send them instead of wasting the money on going there.

Not much different than many capitalist 3rd world countries with democratically elected representative government under a constitutional republic. And many of those don't have an embargo placed on them. Go figure.

edit on 3-8-2012 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

I don't like to insult people and I wish I could force myself to resist it at this moment, but this is probably the most asinine reply I have ever read on ATS to this date. Maybe you're a smart person otherwise, but in this instance you simply have no clue. None whatsoever. The only way to cure this ignorance about Communism and what it has done/is doing to countries around the world is to pick up your things and go live there for a year or two. My family and I escaped it in the 80's. My country wasn't even the worst-case-scenario for Communism. It was one of the more lax Communist countries around the world, yet for free-thinking individuals it was pure hell. It was like living in a cult full of brainwashed, frightened individuals who resented you for not believing in the same B.S. they were being fed day in day out. It was dangerous, and freedom of expression did not exist at all.

Please listen to people with life experience in this field. We are not paranoid, we can see through the B.S. better than most. It's not perfect 20/20 vision, but it's better than most people who have never lived under such a Government. The idealistic socialism that a lot of people here imagine is not what comes into existence when socialism is being sold to you. You have to keep in mind WHO is selling these ideas to you and how they can benefit from it. Communism doesn't happen overnight. It takes years and years for it to fully take effect, unless there is a very drastic disaster which speeds up the process. 9/11 was a very nice start for them and more such events may take place to get it going ahead of schedule. It takes a long time to shape a person's opinion of the world and to force them to make certain sacrifices. The TV and movies are an incredibly effective brainwashing tool. You can get people to believe nearly anything when they're not used to looking into things themselves. I'm out of time, but I felt I needed to make a reply to this.

Originally posted by 2manyquestions
I don't like to insult people and I wish I could force myself to resist it at this moment, but this is probably the most asinine reply I have ever read on ATS to this date.

That's OK. You have no idea where I live or what I have lived through but you are not the only one who has real world experience.

I live in Guatemala and my country fought for 36 years with the US backing one side and Cuba the other. Unlike your stories, my stories are of genocides and death squads by the US backed right wing fraction. This left a hundred thousand dead and over 1 million people were forced to flee. Thousands were tortured and/or disappeared.

I see that people are capable of atrocities no matter where they claim to stand on the political spectrum. Unlike electricuniverse and others, I'm not going to sit here and judge one side while praising the other, when both are guilty of similar acts.