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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Nice way to somehow disparage Einstein. He escaped the murdering rightwing scum that were the Nazis. That gave him an excellent insight into McCarthyism.


Hitler, and Mussolini implemented LEFTWING policies, and Hitler went so far as FORCING corporations to build what he would say they needed to build "for the good of the nation", which was mostly only war material.

Hitler, and Mussolini were SOCIALISTS, and some other members and myself have proven this on several occassions... But leftwingers call SOCIALISTS like Hitler and Mussolini "rightwingers", when Hitler and Mussolini had been LEFTWING all their lives, because the new socialists are ashamed of the truth...
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No. You obviously know nothing about history. Can I remind you that both Hitler and Mussolini imprisoned, exiled or just plain killed their socialist or communist enemies? They were right wing. Right wing lunatics to be precise.


I think they were ultra left Factionists.

They didn't want the mainstream commies screwing up their plans.

They had different ideas and agendas.

They were Factionists. Ultra Left Wing Dingers.




posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
They were Factionists. Ultra Left Wing Dingers.

Fascism is by definition right wing.

By what definition? By the definition given in the Doctrine of Fascism.

It's normal for politicians to play fast and loose with terms but we should be better than that. We should be able to point out when someone in history used a term or an ideal to gain popular support and not use their actions as an example of that term or ideal.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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Fascism is most definitely right wing. By definition!


The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...

Extreme of the left is anarchism, on the extreme right is fascism. The establishment is right wing. Any form of authority is right wing, no matter what they claim to be. That is where the people failed, by being tricked by those in authority. Conditioned to support a system not in their best interest.

Fascism is a nationalist state system. Nationalism is not socialism. Socialism is not a state system, it is an economic system whereby the workers own the means of production.

Hitler did not use the term socialism as a description of their economy, they used the term for political reasons. Their economy was nationalist with some capitalism. No worker ownership at all.

Why did Hitler put socialists, communists, unionists, anarchists, liberals, social democrats, in the camps if he was one of them? No one can answer that because there is no answer other than he wasn't a socialist, he put any opposition to his power in his concentration camps. Left-wingers had to wear a red triangle, like the gays had to wear pink, and the Jews wore yellow.

Nazi concentration camp badges

It's only post WWII when the definitions of left and right were twisted, along with left-wing terms.

Liberalism became the neo-socialism. Liberalism is not even left-wing, it supports government with a social safety net.

Churchill was a conservative, yet ran for the Liberal Party.


"Liberalism is not socialism, and never will be", Winston Churchill in 1908 when he was the Liberal Party candidate for Dundee, Scotland.



Why "Socialism"?
Socialism, in it's traditional and true definition, means "the workers democratic ownership and/or control of the means of production". Such a definition implies that rather than a government bureaucracy for managing such means, there is a focus on highly democratic organization, education and awareness, and every individual is encouraged to become an active, rather than passive participant in that which effect their lives. Only the workers themselves bear the knowledge of what their own freedom and liberty means, and only they know what is best for themselves, ultimately. Advocates of the state, be they on the left, or the right, have repeatedly defined the meaning of "socialism" to mean arbitrary rule by a set of "leaders", or a political con-game in which socialism is no more than capitalism with a few token adjustments for bearability.


Libertarian Socialism

Libertarian socialism is just another name for anarchism, stateless socialism.


"Anarchism is stateless socialism," Mikhail Bakunin


Mikhail Bakunin

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
I think they were ultra left Factionists.

They didn't want the mainstream commies screwing up their plans.

They had different ideas and agendas.

They were Factionists. Ultra Left Wing Dingers.


Mate, you're stirring again!



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Just a little more evidence that Hitler and Mussolini were right-wing, fascist not socialist...


...The so-called National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), or the Nazi Party, began as a small right-wing group and one of the more than 70 extremist paramilitary organizations that sprang up in postwar Germany. It was neither socialist nor did it attract many workers; it was a party initially made up of war veterans and misfits. The man responsible for its rise to power in Germany was Adolf Hitler, a failed Austrian art student and war veteran...


The Interwar Years and World War II for AP European History


On this day in history, March 23:

The Fascist political movement was founded in Milan, Italy, by Benito Mussolini in 1919. In one generation, it spread to Germany, Austria, Spain, Rumania, Portugal, Greece and other countries....


Mussolini Founds Fascist Movement in Italy


Adolf Hitler was arrested after the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler was charged with treason. Such an offence carried the death penalty in Germany at this time. His trial lasted five weeks and turned Hitler into a national figure. For the first time, he was given a platform on which to make his views widely known to people outside of his party. Hitler's right to defend himself was used as a means of attacking all those he hated - the Jews, communists, socialists and weak politicians who had lost Germany the war; the shameful signing of the Versailles Treaty by weak politicians etc.

None of this was new and many right wing parties existed in Germany. However it was the way Hitler presented his ideas that brought him media attention. "History will tear to tatters the verdict of this court", he announced shortly after sentence was passed.

Hitler was found guilty of treason - a crime against your country. If he had been a socialist or communist, it is almost certain that he would have received the death sentence. However, many in the court supported his views and he received a prison sentence of 5 years....


History Learning Site Mein Kampf


The de facto Nazi bible was outlawed in the delicate postwar years, when Germany was a traumatized, post-fascist country, far removed from the imperative of coming to terms with its past.

"The prohibition was completely justified at the time," says Hajo Funke, a political scientist emeritus at Berlin's Free University. "Both the American and German authorities were rightly worried that it could attract a cult following. In addition to this, there were much tougher prohibitions aimed at a population that had just undergone 12 years of fierce Nazi propaganda and still had those thoughts in their heads. At the time, there were broad networks of active former Nazis, including ex-SS officers."

Today there are still networks of right-wing extremists in Germany, as there are most everywhere in Europe. And in Germany, the state's rigorous prosecution of Nazi propaganda is accepted by most citizens. Just last year, Germans were shocked at revelations that a terrorist group calling itself the National Socialist Underground had murdered 10 people, nine of them immigrants. Polls attest that anti-Semitism still has currency among about 20 percent of Germans. That figure is not higher than elsewhere in Europe, but Germany is, after all, Germany.


Defusing 'Mein Kampf'


...Although many intellectuals toyed with fascism, their general sympathies were stated in a more negative fashion. That is, they may have become fascists, but only because fascism contained no democratic principles. H. G. Wells (1866-1946), the author of The Time Machine and War of the Worlds, called for a class of governing experts or technocrats. So too did the American critic, Walter Lippmann (1894-1974). D. H. Lawrence believed that democracy was spent force -- a new Caesar was needed. Evelyn Waugh (1903-1966), author of Brideshead Revisited, accepted both Mussolini's Fascists and Franco's right wing dictatorship. A new ideology, Italian fascism appeared after World War One in a country which had clearly been demoralized by war. The nation found itself frustrated and basically left out of the peace negotiations in 1919....


Lecture 9 The Age of Anxiety: Europe in the 1920s (2)

edit on 8/15/2012 by ANOK because: it's a commie takeover Harry



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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At the close of World War One tensions still rode high between countries, trade slowed and unemployment rose. A new form of government was also used, totalitarianism. This form of government means there is only one leader to make decisions and thus they killed or jailed all opponents. Mussolini and Hitler used this form of government after World War One to make their countries world powers. Although Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy were both fascist their lives were extremely different....


European History – Hitler Compared To Mussolini


The Rise of Fascism in Italy and Germany

Historians struggle with definitions of fascism because it has no coherent ideology and its form varied from nation to nation. But all fascism was a mixture, to one degree or another, of the following ingredients:

an intense form of nationalism
a professed belief in the virtues of struggle and youth
a fanatical obedience to a charismatic leader
an expressed hatred of socialism and liberalism



...The birthplace of fascism was Italy, which became the first country in Europe to have a fascist government. Italy, though a member of the Triple Alliance with Germany and Austria–Hungary, had originally chosen to remain neutral in World War I. In 1915, Italy entered the war on the side of the Entente in hopes of gaining lands from Austria–Hungary....


The Interwar Years and World War II for AP European History

It is no coincidence that in our present time of economic depression, right-wing ideology is on the rise. It is in these times we must be very vigilant, and beware of the threat of totalitarianism. Look how many Germans were fooled by Hitler! And look how many now are still being fooled.

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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More on why there was violence in the Spanish civil war/revolution.


Dictatorship in Spain and Portugal: Franco and Salazar

In both countries, Western-style parliamentary governments faced opposition from the Church, the army, and large landowners. In 1926, army officers overthrew the Portuguese republic that had been created in 1910, and gradually Antonio de Oliveira Salazar, an economics professor, became dictator.

In Spain, antimonarchist parties won the election of 1931 and King Alphonso XIII fled as the new Spanish Republic was set up. When a socialist cartel won the election of 1936, General Francisco Franco led a revolt against the Republic from Spanish Morocco, plunging Spain into a bloody civil war. Franco received support from the Spanish monarchy and Church, while Germany and Italy sent money and equipment. The Republic was defended by brigades of volunteers from around the world (famous writers George Orwell and Ernest Hemingway were among them), and eventually received aid from the Soviet Union. The technological might provided by the Germans allowed Franco's forces to overwhelm the defenders of the Republic. Pablo Picasso's 25-foot-long mural Guernica (1937), depicting the bombing of the town of Guernica by German planes in 1937, poignantly illustrated the nature of the mismatch. By 1939, Franco ruled Spain as a dictator.


The Interwar Years and World War II for AP European History

The Spanish people had finally put in place a 'socialist' government, when Franco attempted his military takeover.
What were the people supposed to do? What would you do if someone in our military attempted to take power and put a totalitarian dictatorship in place? Forget all the political rhetoric, be honest, would you not fight against it? Of course you would, you just simply have your definitions, and history, a little confused. The right is the establishment, totalitarian authority, the left is liberty and of the people.

Just don't get confused with the states modern use of left and right. There is no left-wing in government. Left and right now are just used to divide and confuse. Liberalism is not socialism, and is right of center. The original liberals were conservatives like Winston Churchill, not socialists. Socialists despised liberals. Most people who call themselves socialists these days are liberals.


"Liberalism is not Socialism, and never will be. There is a great gulf fixed. It is not a gulf of method, it is a gulf of principle. [...] Socialism seeks to pull down wealth. Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference [...] Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly." Winston Churchill


Liberalism supports capitalism, but with a social safety net. Socialism is anti-capitalist, and supports worker ownership.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 06:51 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
More on why there was violence in the Spanish civil war/revolution.
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BS, and you know it ANOK... The violence during the RED TERROR happened because socialists, communists, and the left in general decided to murder innocent people off the streets, including clergy... In two months your mates murdered tens of thousands of people for being religious, or capitalist... That was a MASSACRE what YOUR people did, and you have even glorified what your mates did...
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posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
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Liberalism supports capitalism, but with a social safety net. Socialism is anti-capitalist, and supports worker ownership.




Riiiight, like EVERY nation that has fully embraced socialism/communism has ever done right ANOK?...

Take off those sunglasses old timer...



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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If any revolution in USA it's going to be a fascist one.

In the minds of americans the americans dream is still alive.
As well as McCarthyism - the idea that socialism is the very opposite of that dream.
You can only hope for a small bit of social democracy in a big pile of stinking capitalist politics.
The rich in USA will simply never accept social responsibility. Not even when it serves their own long term interests.



posted on Sep, 24 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ANOK
More on why there was violence in the Spanish civil war/revolution.
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BS, and you know it ANOK... The violence during the RED TERROR happened because socialists, communists, and the left in general decided to murder innocent people off the streets, including clergy... In two months your mates murdered tens of thousands of people for being religious, or capitalist... That was a MASSACRE what YOUR people did, and you have even glorified what your mates did...
edit on 24-9-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


Matched by the mass-murders committed by the Nationalist (read: Fascist) side as well.





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