America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

reply to post by antonia


II am not talking about socialism. I specifically mentioned communism and that IS a gov/Eco/pol system. You shifted the goal posts.

Communism and socialism are not the same thing.

I support certain aspects of socialism and think a perfect utopian society would be a blend of capitalism and socialism with an isolationist foreign policy. But I am fervent in my disapproval of communism. It's not the same and I don't see why you are using the terms interchangeably.

reply to post by AshleyD


Ok, if you want to talk about communism we'll do that. You are wrong on that count as well.
en.wikipedia.org...

Communist state is a imporper usage of the word.

Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order. This movement, in its Marxist-Leninist interpretations, significantly influenced the history of the 20th century, which saw intense rivalry between the "socialist world" (socialist states ruled by communist parties) and the "western world" (countries with capitalist economies).

Note the word "Stateless". There are no communist states. Even the named ones practice capitalism. What you are discussing is Authoritarianism.

reply to post by antonia


That's one of the sexiest descriptions I've ever come across.




mmmm, need me some communism!!

reply to post by unityemissions


I tend to think if it would work it would only do so in a small scale. The Kibbutz are a good example of this.
en.wikipedia.org...

The problem is we are constantly using communism as a smear word rather than addressing it for what it is. I'm not an advocate myself as I see it as a pipedream.

reply to post by antonia


Now I have to get out of bed and move to my PC. lol Also from your link:

Communist state, in popular usage, is a state with a form of government characterized by single-party rule or dominant-party rule of a communist party...

And:

as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

en.wikipedia.org...

Which is exactly what I've been saying. It's a system of many factors.

Support it if you want to but it's not for me. It's another one of those things that always sounds great in theory but falls apart in practice and ends with human suffering and misery.

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by unityemissions

 

I tend to think if it would work it would only do so in a small scale.

Agreed. That's why I think it's best to move forward with micro-communes...upwards to a million or so of them with a very limited global government interconnecting them all.

reply to post by SG-17


Anyone who supports Communism has never lived under Communism.

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by antonia

 

Support it if you want to but it's not for me.

I've already stated my opinion on that. Don't attribute things to me I did not say. I am merely explaining it. If you cannot understand that a group of people took a concept, perverted to their own end and used it is a manner that is not holding to what the concept actually was then this conversation is over. It's kinda like when crazy Christians kill abortion doctors and people say "they perverted Christianity". In this case the statists perverted communism and most communists do not accept them.

reply to post by BIHOTZ

There are some good Generals out there. I wont mention any names but they know who they are.

"Communism must win because Capital will give it that victory, though its enemy"

- Khristian G. Rakovsky (a.k.a Chaim Rakeover), one of the founders of Soviet Bolshevism, intimate of Trotsky's and former Soviet ambassador to Paris.

He goes on to say that Capitalism will fall to Communism as a result of the "dumbing-down" of people - turning them into what the International Marxists call "homo stultum":

"Communism can triumph as the result of inborn idiocy; since without the presence of immortal idiocy in homo economico there could not appear in him continuous contradictions as proclaimed by Marx. To be able to achieve the transformation of homo sapiens into homo stultum is to possess magical force, capable of bringing man down to the first stage of the zoological ladder, i.e. to the level of the animal. Only if there is homo stultum in the epoch of the apogee of Capitalism could Marx formulate his axiomatic proposition: contradictions plus time equal Communism".

This is all coming true...

reply to post by antonia


So in other words you see that my point is correct? I'm assuming such because you keep distorting my words and glossing over my points to dissect the irrelevant.

My apologies if I am misunderstanding your passionate defense of it as 'support.' that's what it's looking like though.

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by antonia

 

So in other words you see that my point is correct? I'm assuming such because you keep distorting my words and glossing over my points to dissect the irrelevant.

How am I distorting your words? There is nothing irrelevant about what I said. You don't know what communism is and you continue to parrot what you were taught in public school. "Communist states" are an oxymoron as Communism is a stateless system by the definition of actual communists. All functioning communists states practice capitalism. Go look at their economies.There are 4 communist countries, the major 2 actually practice capitalism, the minor two are simply failed states without much of an economy to speak of. It is the heart of the matter. If you are a commie then you are simply a left-anarchist with a label.

My apologies if I am misunderstanding your passionate defense of it as 'support.' that's what it's looking like though.

This is the internet. How am I conveying passion to you?

reply to post by antonia


It is a system. I am not sure how much more plainly I can state that and even the links you posted show it.

Carry on if you wish from what you read on a blog, I guess.

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by antonia

 

It is a system. I am not sure how much more plainly I can state that and even the links you posted show it.

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I didn't say it wasn't a system. Capitalism is a system and you are ok with that right? I said it wasn't a government system. That is the distinction, you are saying it is one. Communists by their own words say it isn't. that's not from a blog. Try reading a book by an actual Communist. Heck even Marx was an anarchist by his own words.

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Man...I REALLY hate the GEEKDOM that this reply will brand me with but...when Picard get's a cup of tea from the Food and Beverage machine...it is NOT a case of Nano-Tech. that is being used here but rather an understanding of the UNIFIED FIELD THEORY.

Since Matter and Energy are in reality...interchangeable. The Captain tells the Computer what he want's...the Computer stores a Molecular Pattern of the Food, Beverage and even Plate or Cup...draws energy from the ship and transforms that energy into Matter and using the computers storage of all Food and Beverage Patterns...REPLICATES...the item asked for by changing energy into matter. NO NANO-TECH! LOL!

OK...go ahead. I await the GEEK Cat Calls! LOL! Split Infinity

Originally posted by antonia
Try reading a book by an actual Communist. Heck even Marx was an anarchist by his own words.

Read books? Are you serious? Have you ever spoken to anyone who actually lived under Communism? I highly doubt it because your views are all based on the ramblings of the elitists who benefited greatly from it. Read a book by Hitler about Nazism and you'll see what a utopia that was too.

I actually talked to people from Cuba, Romania, Russia, and Czechoslovakia for years. I worked with them and was facinated to hear stories of the horrors that they lived under.

You people complain about Exxon and Microsoft screwing the average American and are too blind to see that in a Communist society the government does it on a far bigger scale. Get a real education. Find people in their 60's who have lived under Communism and ask them to tell you all about it.

And don't tell us that's not Communism, because there's not a single example where Communism hasn't turned into totalitarianism.

Originally posted by AntiNWO

Originally posted by antonia
Try reading a book by an actual Communist. Heck even Marx was an anarchist by his own words.

Read books? Are you serious? Have you ever spoken to anyone who actually lived under Communism?

I have.

Read a book by Hitler about Nazism and you'll see what a utopia that was too.

I've read Mien Kampf, didn't do much for me and he his agenda was very clear from that book.

And don't tell us that's not Communism, because there's not a single example where Communism hasn't turned into totalitarianism.

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Firstly, I don't spend my time complaining about Microsoft. You might have me confused with someone else. The problem is you don't understand a very important distinction: You can say you are a communist yet not practice communism. What we are talking about is not communism it is simply totalitarian government. Really, if you can't understand that and all you want to do is insult me or smear me don't talk to me. It's useless. I'm not a communist and simply because I understand something doesn't make me an evil person.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus


I keep seeing this utopian delusion that true communism is different from past communist "experiments" and the assumption is if "we could just entrench the pure form of it" the great utopia could manifest.

What would think if you knew that Marx was from the Rothchild lineage and was commissioned to write his grand "manifesto" as a tool of the global banking families. Would you begin to see the deception of his movement??

theinfounderground.com...

None of you textbook Marxist were ever taught this. Who among you have researched this?

No doubt you'll respond with " it's all BS", instead of using some critical thinking. Are you really convinced that trashing the constitution to implement a Rothchild Manifesto will benefit anyone but the bankers?????

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by neo96
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When they keep fanning the flames of hatred and resentment such as when they dehumanize people for instance Rich,corporations and create the condition that led up to a flame up such as we saw with the "protests" of OWS they need to gain enough recognition, and popular opinion to move on with the end goal.


Honestly any "hot topic" can be a catalyst money,race,etc. aren't not all communist,socialist movements not based on charasmatic populist figures.

Who knows look how angry people get when taking about key issues

I guess I'm looking for a single issue that would create "the need" for martial law.

Because whatever it is, the populace is going to have to want it.

Here is a few single reasons i can think of.
Freedom of religion
Freedom of speech
right to bear arms
Lack of food
Some of these reasons have more weight than others but there are more reasons and ways to further enslave you and i.

Originally posted by AntiNWO
I haven't read any of the responses to the OP yet, but I really didn't need this guy to tell me that we are quickly headed for a communist takeover. I am old enough to remember the Soviet Union, and I had a friend who lived there for 21 years. I also worked with people from Communist Romania, and I would often ask them about their home country.

"George", the guy from Moscow and I used to carpool to work together so I heard more about real life under Communism than most people. I know there are a few here who think that the American system is broken and Communism is the answer. I can guarantee that if Communism took hold here you'd regret not doing your research.

First, meat, bread and milk were rarely available in supermarkets. When it was available you had to wait sometimes over an hour in line and hope there was still some left when you finally made your way to the front. People sometimes fought over the last pieces. Empty shelves were the norm when George lived there. Levi jeans were sold on the black market.

In a Communist society there are no "brand name" products. you have one brand of everything, and everything is made by the government by underpaid employees who hate their jobs but are never fired because the government assigns jobs to everyone. Needless to say, the quality is exactly what you'd expect. Imagine your clothes, furniture, cars, and electronics made by the likes of the people who work at the DMV, with the same efficiency and the cheapest materials available.

Does it sound like a nightmare yet? Now imagine minimal to no safety or environmental regulations. Imagine not being allowed to leave the country. Imagine that the government pays a neighbor of your to spy on your family, and you have no idea which one it is. How would you like to live in government-owned and maintained apartments, with leaking roof or no heat or hot water? Just try to get a government maintenence man to rush over and fix it within a month. How much fun would it be if you were making the equivilent of minimum wage and had to take public transportation everywhere because you couldn't afford a car?

All of this was told to me by the people who lived it. Anyone who thinks it would be any different in this country is a fool. Get it through your head that ALL governments, given this kind of power, are the same.

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I was stationed in Germany soon after the wall came down and got to go into east berlin; the dreary rows of drab govt highrise housing and worn damaged cobblestone"streets" littered with dead "Trabby's"(trahbant sedans) pushed to the side of the road stood in stark contrast to the modern west. It was literally like crossing through a dark curtain.These communism threads get me going almost as much as the secondamendment ones.
But:
I've learned to stay out of" communism rocks" threads; after the first typical :"that's not REAL communism" replies; I know i am dealing with a bunch of poli sci majors with no real world experience who have it all figured out. Enjoy your govt appointed jobs in the military combat boot factory comrades.