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America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Capitalism? Where? What country are you talking about?
The US is run by the bankers, who have a constant pipeline of money being shoveled to them via the Federal Reserve. In true capitalism business failures are allowed to go by the wayside, instead we have the biggest failures being rewarded with free money from the taxpayers.
Lara is absolutely correct only it's a mistake to call it communism. socialism or fascism. There are elements of each happening and we end up arguing over what to call it. It doesn't matter because the people no longer control their government or their elections. Everything is being run from the top down by a banking elite.
Call it what you will but freedom and the Constitution are nearly dead and without immediate and drastic change we are in a word, screwed.




posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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No. The Fed. is the reason for economic collapse.

theeconomiccollapseblog.com...



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by sealing
 


Capitalism? Where? What country are you talking about?
The US is run by the bankers, who have a constant pipeline of money being shoveled to them via the Federal Reserve. In true capitalism business failures are allowed to go by the wayside, instead we have the biggest failures being rewarded with free money from the taxpayers.
Lara is absolutely correct only it's a mistake to call it communism. socialism or fascism. There are elements of each happening and we end up arguing over what to call it. It doesn't matter because the people no longer control their government or their elections. Everything is being run from the top down by a banking elite.
Call it what you will but freedom and the Constitution are nearly dead and without immediate and drastic change we are in a word, screwed.


I disagree with your comments but we can probably agree that america is heading for a totalitarian government. It will describe itself as capitalist because private ownership will be respected. It may take a decade or two but that scenario is by far more likely and communism. The OP seems not to graps this concept.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Whoops! Turns out right wing is Nazi and left wing is commy. Not a very good choice is it?

I believe the country is on the verge of extreme right wing facist takeover.
edit on 4-8-2012 by AnarchysAngel because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by BIHOTZ
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and communism doesn't lead to corporatism......?

Public subsidy for private profit....?

and you answered yourself.....THEN REGULATE IT PROPERLY.....Instead of advocating a violent revolution with no guarantee that the people you place in power will be loyal or that their successors will be loyal....

pfffft,
I prefer the system that by its core values offers a means of regulation over the system that by its core values funnels wealth to an elite ruling class.



edit on 4-8-2012 by BIHOTZ because: (no reason given)


Oh please name ten corporations in the USSR at the height of the cold war! Really there is a complete lack of understanding about what capitalism actually is. the soviet union ensured that the state ran alll utilities, agriculture and manufacturing! No russians owned share and the did not have a stock exchange until post Gorby!



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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This arguing back and forth over what's communist or fascist is silly. Forgive me, but fascism and communism as practiced are rather different from their definitions. They both claim to be quite different from the other in ideology but, at the end of the day, they're both totalitarian in practice, and while there definitely ARE differences, their similarities are what should concern us.

In communism, the state owns everything. In fascism, the state controls everything, but maintains the idea (though flimsy) of private ownership. The US does not have a true laissez-faire economy. America certainly falls squarely on the fascist side, in that our state does attempt to regulate and control everything. However, our elite corporate interests (as opposed to the everyday man/woman, business owners, whomever) exert their control over our government as they have all the money, and our government has caved to their demands. In practice, it HAS become more fascist than not. Both fascism and communism hold more of a collectivist stance over the concept of individualism. Personal freedom comes second to the good of the state in both systems. They both oppose free markets. They both have socialist elements in terms of infrastructure, education, police force, etcetera.

FDR's New Deal was modeled on Italian fascism, which was greatly admired before the war. So, we've been on the fascist road here for many years. What confuses some folks is when they see Obama's past history and connect him with communists- they assume that his efforts are to bring us into communism. In reality, anything he's doing (no matter which side of the spectrum he's truly on) has been no different from that of what the Bushes did (known fascist sympathizers) in practice. The so-called divide between democrats and republicans is skin deep, at best.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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I am suspicious of any Cuban who comes out and talks about how horrible communism is and how much better the US is. Does Cuba have problems? Sure, but is it the worst country on the planet? For a materialist it might be. However that's not necessarily Cuba's fault. The US embargo on Cuba has isolated them from trading with other countries, and if that embargo was lifted, Cuba's standard of living would quickly improve.

So why does the US continue the embargo? There are many reasons. Keeping Cuba as a demonic presence 90 miles off our coast is pretty handy to keep Americans feeling threatened and therefore willing to give up their freedoms in exchange for safety. It's also pretty handy because Cubans get political asylum and a fast track to citizenship, which produces voters who are more than happy to support whichever political group helped them to escape Cuban "poverty" and pursue the American "dream" (materialism).

It's really ironic how "real Americans" rally against socialism and communism while simultaneously working their way towards retirement and waving flags in support of the US military. The military is not only a dictatorship, it is also a text book example of a socialized culture; while under contract, military members are guaranteed access to the following:

food
health care
dental care
income
residence
employment

You might think "but military members earn those privileges!" Trust me when I say that there are plenty of lazy, selfish, relatively worthless individuals in the military who strive to do the absolute minimum. In fact I would say that the current military culture actually cultivates such laziness.

When I was in the military it was called "skating," and it was considered almost an art form. Yet when it comes time to get things done, the military is extremely effective. So does socialism promote laziness? Yes, but does it stop the military from doing the things it needs to do? Definitely not.

And speaking of getting things done, what do we use the military to do? To suppress socialism in other places so that we won't be "threatened" by it emerging in our own country. Heaven forbid the civilians would get such a quality of life. Anything but that! Down with socialism!



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Thank you for pointing that out. That's why I think the takeover is extreme right wing fascist. The new right wing looks a lot like fascism.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by PrinceDreamer

Originally posted by neo96
What is funny is people think that communisn is just so great that never seen any of them packing up all their belongings building a makeshift raft and floating right on down to the grass is greener Cuba,

Or North Korea
edit on 3-8-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


Typical strawman argument... So you say that only people that agree with your political views can live there? Anyone who thinks differently should leave? In a truly open society people can have open political debates, they can vote on the politics they believe in, it is why it is called democracy. They have as much right as anyone else to say what they wish their system of politics to be, got a surprise for you, it is not your country, it does not belong to you or any individual or group. You are all just residents and each have an equal right to say how they want the country run. And if you don't like you could always get in a boat and float to a nice dictatorship.




Now that is a strawman "argument" quote where i said anything of the sort.


A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]


I said has anyone picked up all their belongings and moved to the great communist world and they haven't.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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You have got to give it up for those Cuban auto mechanics tho...those old cars down there seem to last forever (60 years and counting)!



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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One could argue that it is not Capitalism vs Communism or Fascism vs Communism that is relevant but rather Liberalism (in the true sense, as in "liberty") vs Statism. IT will come down to personal autonomy (whether you are rewarded for the fruits of your labor or capital) vs the power of the state (to dictate what were once personal decisions; what you can eat, drive, what temp to set your thermostat, how many children you can have, not to mention taxes on what was once free...like the right to breathe and exhale).



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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By your own definition you posted you used a straw man argument, some one fell into one particular political camp and extolled the benefits of it, or their belief of its benefits and your stock reply was they should leave to go live in another country, that is not a political debate in any sense of the word. Just because someone sees a different political system being of benefit to the country does not mean they should want to leave it, they want change in the country they love and live in. If you wish to argue against communism or socialism (as is your right) then do so, but don't like it leave, what kind of crap argument is that?

Oh and by the way, there have been people who have left the west to go live in communist and socialist countries, look it up... It may not be prevalent as the other way round but it does happen but western media would never focus on it, would break the propaganda chain.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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So you say that only people that agree with your political views can live there? Anyone who thinks differently should leave? I


Never said anything of the sort like a said quote where i said for anyone to leave stated a fact that people loved communism so much none has ever built a raft and floated to the great communist states of Cuba.

Rather simple to understand millions of mass migration that leave communist regimes far out number those.

quote where i said for anyone to get out of the country or that i ever claimed this country was all mine.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
I said has anyone picked up all their belongings and moved to the great communist world and they haven't.


Really? No one has moved to a communist country? How about all the "teach English in China" programs? Are they all empty?

About.com has an English article about becoming a Chinese citizen, so I imagine there is some level of interest in it...
chineseculture.about.com...

There are similar pages about becoming a Cuban citizen. Anyway it's not like the US makes it easy for people to become a citizen of a communist country, and communist countries make it equally difficult from their side. Yet still there are enough people interested in it to justify web pages to answer such questions. I think your assumption is debunked.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by yourmaker
why is a former Cuban military officer allowed to live in the US?

Back when we actually fought Communism, we gave refuge to defectors.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by wagnificent

Originally posted by neo96
I said has anyone picked up all their belongings and moved to the great communist world and they haven't.


Really? No one has moved to a communist country? How about all the "teach English in China" programs? Are they all empty?

About.com has an English article about becoming a Chinese citizen, so I imagine there is some level of interest in it...
chineseculture.about.com...

There are similar pages about becoming a Cuban citizen. Anyway it's not like the US makes it easy for people to become a citizen of a communist country, and communist countries make it equally difficult from their side. Yet still there are enough people interested in it to justify web pages to answer such questions. I think your assumption is debunked.

A lot of those "teach English in China" programs advertise in publications read by Evangelical Christians. You can bet that those who apply aren't motivated by embracing the economic policies of Communism, but have a "higher calling".



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by AnarchysAngel
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Thank you for pointing that out. That's why I think the takeover is extreme right wing fascist. The new right wing looks a lot like fascism.



I'm really interested what your definition of right wing philosophies are. You are very fond of throwing out the "extreme right wing fascist" terms, but I seriously doubt you have a clue or would acknowledge its correct basis.
Got the cohona's to give us your rational?



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Yeah jumping on a 747 is the same thing as building a make shift raft that will barely float putting pregnant wives and kids on and floating on the ocean for days to reach America.

Yeah same thing really.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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You know why people brand you as crazy? Because you lump socialism and communism into the same description. They are not identical forms of government. How do I know this?

Because for 4 years I was in a relationship with a woman who lives in the socialist nation of Belgium, and we discussed politics heavily. Their socialist government gave a lot back to it's citizens and their nation is a lot better off for it. Lower crime, healthier population, higher rate of eduction, etc.

She grew up going to a music school - as an after-school activity - cost was free, do we have these programs in america?

She has her masters in mathmatics and the annual cost for her tuition during the graduate program -- 500 euros. Please tell me the school here in America that you can go to for $800/year - full time.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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You guys (AMERICANS.... /sigh) should start giving up that silly, silly "black and white" thinking.
I am getting tired of discussions where it's obvious that people only see liberals/communists/socialists and "on the other spectrum" right wingers.

Every little change of politics is being interpreted in extreme, distorted ways which MUST ultimately lead to communism, fascism etc.

Hint: There is more to it. You CAN have an existing political/economical system ("capitalism") and make tweaks and changes to it - does NOT mean the country is turning to communism. This is kindergarten-level thinking.

There are ALREADY some levels of "semi-socialism" - in some countries MORE, in some countries less. For example, you all pay TAXES. Does this make a country socialist?

A typical example which *****es me constantly off is people complaining how the country is going towards socialism/communism...eg. if there is talks about how certain taxes are being used. Eg. proposing tax for health care....or for supporting poor/unemployed. Since you ALREADY pay taxes, it's entirely moot and doesn't make any difference whatsoever. It makes no sense to accept it without question when, say, a huge portion of taxes is used for military spending - but THEN complaining when someone makes a proposal it MIGHT be a good idea to focus more on healthcare - or does it "magically" turn into socialism based simply on the fact WHERE the taxes go?

Start recognizing the fact that capitalism (in its basics) will likely never be replaced by "communism", even in so called "socialist countries" like in Europe (say Spain, Norway etc.) still the basic rules of capitalism apply - even when there was changes in some points. The individual can still get to riches and has freedom and choice to do whatever they want to do.

Whatever existing communism has long proven a failure, it has wrecked countries already and only a moron would not acknowledge this - even in former communist countries people are getting wiser now that other systems are better. But this doesn't mean that you cannot address some shortcomings of capitalism - there is always room to improve.




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