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Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Annee
I see your point.
However when you get married by a jp or rep they do read you a certain set of words that pertain to GOD.
When you get married by a minister then e is usually a rep of the church and of the state.
The union i speak of would negate the need for vows and reps and only pertain to how long people live together and how many youngesters they are raising.Does that not solve our marriage problems that we are facing as a nation?
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Originally posted by Awen24
...the problem with your OP is that you haven't rightly divided between Jewish and Christian text.
I don't think it matters who the passages are directed at. If menstruating women are unclean, they are unclean. I am not talking about laws, I am simply talking about the way God refers to menstruating women.
Why would anyone want to be near someone so clearly labelled unclean?
I understand the distinction in laws, which is why I have not really mentioned laws, but the fact remains God calls homosexual acts "abominations", and menstruating women "unclean", it matters not the race, religion, or nationality of the people involved, unclean is unclean.
Should the comments regarding putting to death homosexuals stand also, then?
"And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Is it that we should accept the abomination part but not the putting to death part?edit on 3-8-2012 by humphreysjim because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by Awen24
To fill in the blanks here, the early church discussed the topic - "what laws should Christians follow?". The answer to that question was as follows:
1. do not eat food that has been sacrificed to idols
2. do not eat the meat or blood of strangled animals
3. abstain from sexual immorality
I am pretty sure those arent the only laws, but for the sake of argument I will assume they are.
What about the Ten Commandments? Do Cristians still have to follow those? Are those three the only way to get into hell now? What about the rest of the teachings of Christ? Do we consider them null and void or are they just guidelines to follow "when we feel like it"?
Originally posted by krossfyter
Originally posted by Awen24
Thus, unless a law is reiterated in the New Testament (God's stance on homosexuality is; Israel's law regarding menstruating women is not), it no longer applies.
so what is God's stance on homosexuality in the new testament?
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Annee
Ok lets say i'm driving a beaten down 1976 mustang that breaks down at every turn.
"Do you reject parts of Leviticus?
Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Annee
Angry annee dismissive of sense and driven by vengeance.
It has been great debating with you.
You are right and i am wrong.
Originally posted by krossfyter
i asked this earlier. never got a response.
Originally posted by krossfyter
Originally posted by Awen24
Thus, unless a law is reiterated in the New Testament (God's stance on homosexuality is; Israel's law regarding menstruating women is not), it no longer applies.
so what is God's stance on homosexuality in the new testament?
Originally posted by krossfyter
"Do you reject parts of Leviticus?
im sorry there has been a lot of thread covered lately AND i may have missed it but im curious about the above question myself and other parts of the bible.
how can christians on one end uphold or go by one part of the bible (in regards to what it appears to say about homosexuality TO THEM/ I know in the end it seems misinterpreted) and turn around and disregard other aspects of the bible as it relates to LEGALISM?
edit on 3-8-2012 by krossfyter because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Chic-fil-a has not "banned" anybody. Go buy a clue somewhere. Opposing gay marriage is not the same as refusing to serve any particular customer. Epic fail...
I did not say they had banned anyone.
Opposition to gay marriage is primarily religious in nature. So, if we accept what Leviticus says about "the gays", we must accept what they say about menstruating women. Yes?
According to the Bible they are unclean. How is that suitable for a woman we are commanded to "stay away from" to be in a restaurant where others are eating? I am merely taking the Bible seriously - all of it, and seeing if others are doing the same (they aren't).
Do you reject parts of Leviticus? Would you be happy, after reading and accepting Leviticus, to sit next to a menstruating woman who is unclean and disgusting? Do you think homosexuals should be put to death, or merely barred from marriage?edit on 3-8-2012 by humphreysjim because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by krossfyter
first comment i see in the comment section there:
"In this case, "God Bless America" is actually code for "F*&k you , faggots!"
sadly, pretty spot on. im sorry but those people at chic fil hate are the kinds of christians Mahatmas Gandhi talks about.
im not sure why they are so blind to this? do they really see? or are they still blind? perhaps the republican right is blinding them from truly being loving christians.
No, Romans 1:26-27 does not condemn gays, lesbians, homosexuals, bisexuals or transgendered people. Every Christian has a duty before God to interpret scripture honestly, in context, instead of divorcing verses from their context and then insisting they mean something they never meant to the original hearers.
Because all scripture is given in a cultural, doctrinal, historical, linguistic, literary and religious context, those factors must be part of our thinking as we seek to understand scripture.
Romans 1:26-27 was given in a very clear context. There is no cultural indication, no doctrinal indication, no historical indication, no linguistic indication, no literary indication, no religious indication, that Paul intended to blast lesbians and gays in Romans 1:26-27.
Instead, Paul chooses the worst possible transgression of pagan Gentiles so that the Jews in his reading audience will be saying, "Yes, Yes, they're guilty!" Then Paul will spring his rhetorical trap in 2:1 when he declares that Jewish idolatry is just as sinful as Gentile idolatry and therefore, everyone is guilty.
Paul's point never was
about lesbians and gays.
Early Christians like Aristides and Justin Martyr understood Paul to be condemning shrine prostitution. Our rule of interpretation is:
Scripture cannot mean NOW
what it did not mean THEN.
If Paul wasn't dealing with committed, faithful, non-cultic same sex partnerships in AD 58 when he wrote Romans, then its wrong to insist that those verses are dealing with committed same sex partnerships now.
Christians need to do more reading and study before concluding that the first notion that pops into our head when we read Romans 1 is infallibly correct.
Sometimes, the first thing we think when we read a verse of scripture is wrong. That is why we are encouraged to "Study to shew yourselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." -2 Timothy 2:15
Originally posted by Awen24
1 Corinthians 1:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteousness and evildoers shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality..."
1 Timothy 1:9-10, which is essentially a repeat doctrinally of 1 Corinthians, "knowing and understanding this: that the law is not given for the righteous, but for the lawless and disobedient, the ungodly and the sinful, the irreverent and profane; for murderers of fathers and mothers, manslayers, whoremongers, and those who abuse themselves with men, kidnappers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine..."
So many people have said that no where in the New testament does it talk about homosexuality, so therefore it’s not a sin, or therefore, it’s okay. So, I just wanted to share this.
Actually, your friends are right:
1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 used to condemn homosexuals. But we know that there was no word for “homosexual/ity” in any language until 1868 when it was coined by German Christian Ethicist Helmut Thielike in a critical response to a Prussian sodomy law. The word mistranslated as ‘homosexual/homosexual offender’ in certain Biblical translations, is ‘arsenokoitai’. A word meaning ‘man-bed’ (literally). It has been translated throughout history as ‘pervert’ (*the most accurate), and ‘masturbator’(during Martin Luther’s era; but that is also a mistranslation). ‘Pervert’ or ‘perversion’ is the best translation as the last time it was used in the Classical era (and specifically by a Classical church leader) in the 2nd Century AD to condemn men who were having anal sex with their wives. Not homosexual acts or homosexuality itself.
Originally posted by Awen24
Originally posted by krossfyter
"Do you reject parts of Leviticus?
im sorry there has been a lot of thread covered lately AND i may have missed it but im curious about the above question myself and other parts of the bible.
how can christians on one end uphold or go by one part of the bible (in regards to what it appears to say about homosexuality TO THEM/ I know in the end it seems misinterpreted) and turn around and disregard other aspects of the bible as it relates to LEGALISM?
edit on 3-8-2012 by krossfyter because: (no reason given)
My two posts at the top of this page should cover that question, did you check those out?
If not, please do, it should answer the question.
Nothing in Scripture is irrelevant; however, the Old Testament legal system was a religious/political/civil system intended for the nation-state of Israel, and is not a part of Christian belief and practice. This is discussed above, and the logic and reasoning behind it is found in the book of Acts, chapter 15, in the Bible. Hope that helps.
Originally posted by Awen24
Originally posted by krossfyter
first comment i see in the comment section there:
"In this case, "God Bless America" is actually code for "F*&k you , faggots!"
sadly, pretty spot on. im sorry but those people at chic fil hate are the kinds of christians Mahatmas Gandhi talks about.
im not sure why they are so blind to this? do they really see? or are they still blind? perhaps the republican right is blinding them from truly being loving christians.
I think this is a significant part of the problem when it comes to the Church on issues like this.
The Church seems to have forgotten that our mission is twofold: to help the fatherless and the widow (obviously this applies in a broader sense, e.g. charity/missions), and to preach the gospel.
Christianity is not a social or political platform, nor should it be used as an excuse to justify your own prejudice against any one group or another. Does the Bible teach that homosexuality is sin? Yes it does. Should the Church believe and teach that? Yes it should. But you know what? Lying is sin too. Do we stop loving people because they lie occasionally? Not so much, no.
Originally posted by johngrissom
It is safe to assume, your IQ is about as high as Britteny Spear's. You have ban in the title. Which you assume Chick Fil A said ban all homosexuals.
Like stated above...EPIC FAIL
Originally posted by krossfyter
"how can christians on one end uphold or go by one part of the bible (in regards to what it appears to say about homosexuality TO THEM/ I know in the end it seems misinterpreted) and turn around and disregard other aspects of the bible as it relates to LEGALISM? "