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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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1 Corinthians 12:3 states that "NO MAN" can claim Christ as their Lord but by the Holy Spirit. You are claiming that verse is false, that there are millions of people who claim Him as Lord who do not have the Holy Spirit. You don't understand the difference between the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. All new covenant believers have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, baptism of the Spirit is a secondary experience after conversion and water baptism. It's purpose is to equip the believer with power for kingdom ministry.

And T-Shirts are short sleeve shirts.. they look like a "T". Now, are women not allowed to wear T-Shirts? And you're 100% mistaken, Oneness Pentecostalism/Apostolic Christianity is a denomination, with state and national governing authorities and a hierarchy.




posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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your username is out of sync with what you are posting, and you are not making sense.


Based upon what Babylonian Jews want people to believe, it may seem that way. However in truth, nothing is more Jewish than following the Messieh of the Jews and His Apostles. The early Church was naturally born Jews only. When Gentiles began to be saved, they became Jews by faith. There is no gentile Christian church, only Jewish. Natural born Jews who reject Jesus as their Messieh are cut off from the Olive Tree and replaced.

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." (Romans 2:28-29 KJV)


Originally posted by wildtimes

But if you are walking around judging people's holiness or indwelling spirituality by what they are or are not wearing, that is a twisted way to assess others. Talk about judging a book by its cover!


Both a person with holiness and an unholy person can look holy on the outside. However, an unholy person can also look unholy while a person with holiness chooses not to look unholy. It is the inward holiness that is important, but holiness will always show on the outside.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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1 Corinthians 12:3 states that "NO MAN" can claim Christ as their Lord but by the Holy Spirit. You are claiming that verse is false,


I never said that.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical

that there are millions of people who claim Him as Lord who do not have the Holy Spirit.


Whom are they calling Lord? Jesus, the one God of the Bible or Jesus, the second god of the trinitarians?


Originally posted by NOTurTypical

And T-Shirts are short sleeve shirts.. they look like a "T". Now, are women not allowed to wear T-Shirts?


Holiness women do not, neither do holiness men.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical

And you're 100% mistaken, Oneness Pentecostalism/Apostolic Christianity is a denomination, with state and national governing authorities and a hierarchy.


Nope. Groups such as the UPCI, PAW... are. Oneness Pentecostalism/Apostolic Christianity are not.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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or could it be that you are just a follower of a different sort and repeating the same crapola that others like to say because they think it makes them look cool amongst their peers and online where they don't even know their peers in person...

I choose to be a follower of free will and free thought... but you, you sound like your peers.

we all grow up and find ourselves eventually... Godspeed

Crapola?

I'm a follower of my principles. You don't know my "peers", and I'm grown up. I know myself very well, thanks. Who do you think you are talking to? I'm a scholar, yes, a theologian as a hobbyist, and a behavioral health specialist with an advanced degree, who is determined to continue learning, thinking, philosophizing, and making the ever-so-tiny dent that I can in the rampant ignorance I see around me.

You, from what I can gather, are a young man who worships Heavy Metal and has no problem "judging" others.

Step off, junior. You have no idea what you are talking about. This is the second time -- maybe even in this thread -- I have seen you denigrate people with open minds who realize archaic thinking needs to go...as doing it because we "think it's cool". I couldn't care less about "being cool." I don't "repeat crapola" -- I make my own decisions and speak my mind. You don't know me, and frankly your posts are irritating, narrow-minded, and shallow.

End of chat.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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List of Christian Denominations.


I've asked numerous times for your scriptural support that says women cannot wear pants.. which you claimed you had scriptural support for affirming. Can we ever get you to post it?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But which becometh women professing godliness with good works." (1 Timothy 2:9-10 KJV)

"Modest apparel" is "Kosmios", which means "of good behavior". Back in the OT times, a woman who wore pants was doing so to take the position of priest. It was rebellion against God's order. It was not "of good behavior".

God's order today is God is the head of man and man is the head of woman.

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (1 Corinthians 11:3-4 KJV)

Today a woman who wears pants is taking man's position in God's order.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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None of that says women cannot wear pants. And the undergarment of priests were not classic "pants" either. And for another thing only Levitical priests were bound by Levitical laws, no one else. Lastly, pants are only a recent addition to human fashion. You just displayed Legalism, adding tradition to scripture.

Admit it now that there is no verse saying women cannot wear pants.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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The early Church was naturally born Jews only. When Gentiles began to be saved, they became Jews by faith. There is no gentile Christian church, only Jewish. Natural born Jews who reject Jesus as their Messieh are cut off from the Olive Tree and replaced.


Okay, so....it seems you are in agreement with me that I am neither a "natural born Jew", nor a "daughter of Israel". So,
the Olive Tree, and the OT and NT have nothing to do with me. Right? It was meant for the lost tribes of Israel, and no one else.....and since I have no claim to the lost tribes of Isreal, none of it even applies. Right?


an unholy person can also look unholy while a person with holiness chooses not to look unholy.

Exactly. A person with holiness can choose to look 'unholy' and still be holy....


It is the inward holiness that is important, but holiness will always show on the outside.

You have just contradicted yourself. The Inward Holiness is what is important, ........
"But holiness will always show on the outside"
Really?
Which is it? The wardrobe, or the person's face, eyes, and actions?



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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Exactly. A person with holiness can choose to look 'unholy' and still be holy....


No. If a person with holiness chooses to look unholy, they loose the holiness at the moment the desire to look unholy came to them.


Originally posted by wildtimes

You have just contradicted yourself. The Inward Holiness is what is important, ........
"But holiness will always show on the outside"
Really?
Which is it? The wardrobe, or the person's face, eyes, and actions?


There is no contradiction in what I said.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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No. If a person with holiness chooses to look unholy, they loose the holiness at the moment the desire to look unholy came to them.

Ahhhh....so, for you, it IS all about the wardrobe, and NOT about holiness or the lack thereof.
Okay, done with you. Except to say it's "lose" not "loose". Loose is how a knot might become after working on it. Lose is to not having possession of something anymore.

Whatever.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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None of that says women cannot wear pants.


Skirts/dresses are modest appearal for women, pants are not. Timothy taught on what was appropriate/inappropriate clothes for a holiness woman just as I do. Was he a legalist too?

My answer would be no. Timothy understood that true holiness cannot exist without looking holy on the outside. That is not legalism. You seem to only see black or white. Legalism or anything goes. You don't seem to understand that there is an area in between that lines up perfectly with what the apostles' taught.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Admit it now that there is no verse saying women cannot wear pants.


Is it ok for a Christian to smoke or do illegal drugs?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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Not mind altering drugs. Smoking is not mentioned in the Bible so I cant judge someone who smokes. And pants are NOT mentioned in the bible. Modest means not sexually suggestive.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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Ahhhh....so, for you, it IS all about the wardrobe, and NOT about holiness or the lack thereof.


It is about holiness.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by wildtimes
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Ahhhh....so, for you, it IS all about the wardrobe, and NOT about holiness or the lack thereof.


It is about holiness.


That's the problem.. skirts/dresses = holiness is nowhere in the Bible, that's denominational tradition. Putting tradition on par with scripture is what Christ mocked the Pharisees for in Mark 7. His words were not kind at all.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Not mind altering drugs. Smoking is not mentioned in the Bible so I cant judge someone who smokes.


Neither are mentioned in Scripture, but I preach against both. The reason why is that for the Holy Spirit filled person, their body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. When a person smokes they are doing damage to that temple.

Based upon what Timothy wrote, and knowing the history of pants, I can see that they are not to be worn by a holiness woman.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Modest means not sexually suggestive.


In the Greek, it is "Kosmios" and means “of good behavior.” There is more to good behavior than not being sexually suggestive.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by wildtimes
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Ahhhh....so, for you, it IS all about the wardrobe, and NOT about holiness or the lack thereof.


It is about holiness.


That's the problem.. skirts/dresses = holiness is nowhere in the Bible, that's denominational tradition. Putting tradition on par with scripture is what Christ mocked the Pharisees for in Mark 7. His words were not kind at all.


Jesus mocked the Pharisees for trying to be holy in clothing only. Their outward holiness was not based upon inward holiness.

If you want to see examples of modern day legalism, look no further than your church fathers, the pope and his cardinals.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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Mind altering drugs are mentioned. The Greek word for sorcery is "Pharmakia" where we get the English word Pharmacy from. Now smoking isn't mind altering and would fall under like a caffeine. It's not explicitly named in the text so I cannot judge a person. I have heard the "body is a temple" argument against before and it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Here is why.. if you want to say smoking damages the body then you also have to condemn fast food, processed sugar, bleached flour, going outside without spf 30 sunscreen, food with preservatives, sodium, processed meat, tap water with fluoride in it, and deodorant with aluminum et cetra, et cetera. The people that make the "temple" argument themselves don't abstain from the aforementioned things that damage the body and therefore are hypocrites.

Smoking isn't mentioned therefore I cannot judge someone for it. Jesus also said what enters the body doesn't defile a man but what comes from his heart defiles him.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by wildtimes
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Ahhhh....so, for you, it IS all about the wardrobe, and NOT about holiness or the lack thereof.


It is about holiness.


That's the problem.. skirts/dresses = holiness is nowhere in the Bible, that's denominational tradition. Putting tradition on par with scripture is what Christ mocked the Pharisees for in Mark 7. His words were not kind at all.


Jesus mocked the Pharisees for trying to be holy in clothing only. Their outward holiness was not based upon inward holiness.

If you want to see examples of modern day legalism, look no further than your church fathers, the pope and his cardinals.


Stop with the eisegesis. Jesus specifically says it's for making the "traditions of the elders" on par with the command of God. And i'm not Catholic, I belong to an independent non-denominational church.


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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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All trinity Christian religions are catholic in origin. Calling it a non-denominational denomination does not change that.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by truejew
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All trinity Christian religions are catholic in origin. Calling it a non-denominational denomination does not change that.


You might want to check the writings of the early church fathers before Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. That's the birth of Catholicism. Are the Orthodox Christians Trinitarians? Amd there is no "non-denominational" denomination. We're an independent church with no affiliation with any other church. That's what "non-denominational" means.




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