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Two Portlanders refuse to testify before grand jury after FBI raid

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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 03:37 AM
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yes but we are going to violate our highest law for vandalism.....yeah....that is not just an excuse to create a precedent to arrest people for reading........in a DEMOCRACY..

I don't care if they took a dump on Obama´s head.....they can't have their homes invaded for a book they may have..

That is just validation of a totalitarian state trying to push its way through our constitution like a hole in our collective heads.

No, this is wrong. They committed a minor crime....I don't care. Even if they found a quote on a wall.....what if they just remembered it, or their friend read it to them and they just knew it.....but happen to have a book of quotes that contains it.....too many nonsensical things to consider...

The fact is people justifying this are really stretching the imagination to make these KIDS criminals for doing what even their own kids might have done....vandalism,,....pfft.

This is completely undemocratic and does not belong in our country.....no matter the fake threat you throw at it. We are not going to let you do whatever you want under the fake pretense of security. That worked for Hitler and fox news viewers after 9/11.....you lost so much support for going too far that you have to really push to do anything like that again,...

We will push back....STOP....this is our country. Don't get carried away.....or you run the risk of looking like a traitor.

We are a democratic people...like it or not. You will NOT ERASE hundreds of years of mentality because some kids write on walls.....things MOST people feel now a day's anyways thanks to the heavy hand of nonsense you employ.

You are really pushing it......too far. You validate the stance against you with every retarded action you take and every retarded defense of said actions you preach.



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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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Originally posted by BIHOTZ
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yes but we are going to violate our highest law for vandalism.....yeah....that is not just an excuse to create a precedent to arrest people for reading........in a DEMOCRACY..

You are right we are not. We are arresting them for vandalism. The literature is evidence in a vandalism case. They are not being arrested for the literature. No where does any article state that they are.


I don't care if they took a dump on Obama´s head.....they can't have their homes invaded for a book they may have..

You're right, they would be invaded to be arrested for assault and battery on Obama. Now if they had no idea who the perp was and the perp was quoting from a certain book while taking said dump, then finding that book in the perps house is relevant. The book itself is irellevant, it is only made relevant from the context of the crime.


That is just validation of a totalitarian state trying to push its way through our constitution like a hole in our collective heads.

Please explain how now that I have explained, again, the relevance of the literature.


No, this is wrong. They committed a minor crime....I don't care. Even if they found a quote on a wall.....what if they just remembered it, or their friend read it to them and they just knew it.....but happen to have a book of quotes that contains it.....too many nonsensical things to consider...

Something led them to this persons house, there is obviously other evidence. The literature is one piece of the case, not the entire thing. Just like the literature was one piece of the search warrant, not the whole search warrant. The only nonsensical thing is your reaction.


The fact is people justifying this are really stretching the imagination to make these KIDS criminals for doing what even their own kids might have done....vandalism,,....pfft.

So you are now justifying their criminal acts? Awesome example. No wonder kids commit such crimes, they have people like you justifying their behavior. I never vandalised anyone, and my kids better not too. If they do they will suffer the legal ramifications, and I won't justify bad behavior.


This is completely undemocratic and does not belong in our country.....no matter the fake threat you throw at it. We are not going to let you do whatever you want under the fake pretense of security. That worked for Hitler and fox news viewers after 9/11.....you lost so much support for going too far that you have to really push to do anything like that again,...

I don't know where to begin with this. You make assertions with no support. So I suppose I will do the same. This is completely Democratic. I win? Now that I win, I will doubly win by actually supporting my position. They used evidence to obtain a search warrant and searched the house legally, just like a Democracy.


We will push back....STOP....this is our country. Don't get carried away.....or you run the risk of looking like a traitor.

What other crimes are you now in support of people comitting without repercussions? Just wondering so I know what to do to your property, after I vandalise it, because hey it's no big deal. So tell me, what else can I get away with?


We are a democratic people...like it or not. You will NOT ERASE hundreds of years of mentality because some kids write on walls.....things MOST people feel now a day's anyways thanks to the heavy hand of nonsense you employ.

You already used that nonsense up above, look at my response. Saying your position twice doesn't make it right. Oh are you trying to use that whole two negatives makes a positive routine? That doesn't work in this situation, I like your thinking outside the box though.


You are really pushing it......too far. You validate the stance against you with every retarded action you take and every retarded defense of said actions you preach.



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Yep, I validate that if I ever vandalise someones property I should be hunted down. Just like everyone who vandalised my property I expect to be hunted down. Again, make sure you let me know what other laws it's ok to break.



posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 05:35 AM
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You are right we are not. We are arresting them for vandalism. The literature is evidence in a vandalism case. They are not being arrested for the literature. Nowhere does any article state that they are.


it is on the search warrant no,? So if they sprayed go team we love you.....you would spend thousands of dollars raiding and investigating vandalism? NOT SO SURE ABOUT THAT. Though the way we spend money spying on us is indicative of the nonsense that fills your minds. You contact local authorities and call their parents...a grounding and a fine would suffice, unless you want to send a message?




You're right, they would be invaded to be arrested for assault and battery on Obama. Now if they had no idea who the perp was and the perp was quoting from a certain book while taking said dump, then finding that book in the perps house is relevant. The book itself is irellevant, it is only made relevant from the context of the crime.
Again....unless they committed an assault on a person....I don't see how you can justify spending thousands of dollars on vandalism yet ignore child pornography and weapons smuggling because of a short budget....unless you want to send a message....like we own you......




Something led them to this persons house, there is obviously other evidence. The literature is one piece of the case, not the entire thing. Just like the literature was one piece of the search warrant, not the whole search warrant. The only nonsensical thing is your reaction.
so it was on the warrant....it should not be there....really the FBI should not be wasting our limited resources on kids being kids....that is for local authorities and their parents....not big bad federal agents. If that makes sense to spend thousands of dollars instead of buying a can of paint.....what is the message you send? that you are God....?....that makes sense.....instill fear in your people and then call us over dramatic when we react to your heavy hand....what led them to this persons house was the billions of dollars in domestic spying....thats what....tough guy.




So you are now justifying their criminal acts? Awesome example. No wonder kids commit such crimes, they have people like you justifying their behavior. I never vandalized anyone, and my kids better not too. If they do they will suffer the legal ramifications, and I won't justify bad behavior.
so the FBI would be called in for a night of drunken fun, or because they try to get into a frat house and have to steal a mascot or do some other dumb thing....they must love you..legal ramifications....I would ground them and talk to them...not be a dumbass who shows no parental skills when dealing with teenagers. I am not defending their actions....I just don't think you have much to do with graffiti Mr., federal agent....you need to look for real criminals instead of bitching about small budgets that limit your ability to do your job.....unless you went from organized crime to beautification police...




I don't know where to begin with this. You make assertions with no support. So I suppose I will do the same. This is completely Democratic. I win? Now that I win, I will doubly win by actually supporting my position. They used evidence to obtain a search warrant and searched the house legally, just like a Democracy.
Who the hell said that a persons preference in literature is evidence of anything.....it is not even presentable in court....it proves nothing past the fact that they read something...not that it inspired them to do anything....and you work in within the law? lol. nice childish come back...no you don't win....the constitution protects their right to have that and the satanic bible if they wish....freedom to print and distribute.....no not to vandalize, but hell that is hardly a national threat...unless you are that scared of spray paint.....




What other crimes are you now in support of people committing without repercussions? Just wondering so I know what to do to your property, after I vandalize it, because hey it's no big deal. So tell me, what else can I get away with?


are you threatening me? I did not support their actions...please show me where I did, tough guy....are saying that you would???? you just did, I take that as a threat. you can try....but I would not recommend it.....tough guy....




Yep, I validate that if I ever vandalize someone's property I should be hunted down. Just like everyone who vandalized my property I expect to be hunted down. Again, make sure you let me know what other laws it's ok to break.
so you would hunt down teenagers with federal resources, for spray paint....and somehow think you do us a service....no laws are ok to break...especially those protecting their right to read things you don't agree with. jerk.


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posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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In my view, the real anti government people are FBI, obama administration, many in senate and congress, big long list..

We are the government, we pay them..They are defying the constitution and bill of rights on a daily basis, so that makes them anti government..

Anyone in politics or a government paid job that goes against the US constitution/bill of rights is anti government..

Don't be fooled by these people.. They are trying to redefine every aspect of our lives by twisting everything to fit their plans and blame others .. It isn't the government, because that would be all of us. it is a large power base of very corrupt people, and this is all they really are..

It is also very easy to be drawn in by them, and an example is look how many people are still supporting them that don't even question anything.. the desire to be part of some team and gain self esteem/nationalistic good feelings is part of why people do this, only in reality they have been deceived by these very smooth operators.



posted on Aug, 5 2012 @ 06:09 AM
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then they spend 30 minutes responding to dumbasses like me instead of catching the real criminals that we pay them to catch.....or they threaten us, like that will make me any less pissed at the way they have ruined our country..

They only validate our growing numbers and concern.....GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER AND CATCH A CRIMINAL......I still complete my obligations while I am on here....can you say the same Mr. federal spy....

It makes me sick to my stomach, their pompous attitudes and self gratifying air of superiority.....

Like you are worth more than a single citizen.....it has a logical conclusion that they are too dumb to see..

The heavy hand has never worked.....READ a little history...see what happens.

but you are right....WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.....they have a contract of service they seem to make invalid by appointing powers not given to them within it and in so doing remove all legal obligations we have to even respect them....They are throwing a coup de tat and think we are too dumb to notice...

for the love of country I defy them....we defy them....screw you anti-American enemies of state.


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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Why would I need to threaten you, you apparently condone this behavior. Maybe you only care when the property belongs to you, tough guy. Really not sure why the tough guy comment has any bearing, you seem to use it for no reason though so I suppose there is a meaning I am not aware of, tough guy. Nevermind that sounds too silly to keep saying.


black-clad May Day demonstrators marauded through the shopping district, smashing plate glass windows at banks and retail outlets, spray-painting cars and slashing tires.

articles.latimes.com...

But federal court records indicate authorities are looking into an "organized 'black block' of anarchists" who marched all in black, carried red flags on sticks and sticks with screws or bolts on the ends and broke out windows of the William Kenzo Nakamura U.S. Courthouse in Seattle on May Day.

www.oregonlive.com...
So you condone that behavior right? No one should care, slap on the wrist and bad boy/bad girl is all they need right? You are a disgusting example of what is wrong with this country.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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and you are a disgusting apologist for domestic terrorism.....

Who did they kill?

who did they assault?

yeah, organized crime my ass,......you just cant admit when you are wrong....so what, you are not humble enough to do so? tough guy....

I will REPEAT myself, I never advocated their actions or condone them. Again...ALL LAW SHOULD BE RESPECTED....especially the US constitution...our highest contract of law....something you conveniently overturn when it fits you like organized crime does when it justifies itself by the perceived good it does....

your logic is a fail....and don't think we don't notice how you try and lie there....they can just read a little further back were I specifically said they were wrong...and where I didn't say they were right....but hell, what is defamation really when you are defending terrorizing kids for vandalism. They are just teenage scum, who cares if they are your people.....you are better then them...superior right?

.....and after seeing the ignorance in blind support to coworkers over fellow citizens, as well as talking crap about your countrymen all the time, you look like you have more in common with the USA´s external enemies...you dont deserve aid and comfort.

they think we are garbage as well....they have a heavy hand with their population......they defend their corrupt cohorts as well, blindly like you....

that is why people like me may be what is wrong with this country in your opinion, but people like you are a national threat in most people´s eyes...thats why you have a shortage of thank you´s..they are scared of you....you make your people live in fear...you terrorize your fellow citizens and then belittle them in the same tone and direction as a terrorist does when speaking about the people of the USA....

you are a national threat and an apologist for domestic terrorism.....

if Osama bin laden was a cop you would defend him.....over your fellow citizens who are all pretty much in agreement that this is too much and a growing problem....too bad you don't care about them and would rather be right than be correct.

tough guy.....means you are a jerk who needs to never be humble and admit he is wrong, you never even consider it, because you are a tough guy.....a coward.....insecure and traitorous for the loyalty of a few over the whole of your people.....jerk


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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by BIHOTZ
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and you are a disgusting apologist for domestic terrorism.....

Who did they kill?

who did they assault?

yeah, organized crime my ass,......you just cant admit when you are wrong....so what, you are not humble enough to do so? tough guy....

I will REPEAT myself, I never advocated their actions or condone them. Again...ALL LAW SHOULD BE RESPECTED....especially the US constitution...our highest contract of law....something you conveniently overturn when it fits you like organized crime does when it justifies itself by the perceived good it does....


So now we need to assault or murder someone for law enforcement to get involved?


I would ground them and talk to them


the FBI should not be wasting our limited resources on kids being kids

If you don't see that is condoning their behavior then I can't help you. I have proved every single thing you said wrong, every lie you tell has been exposed. Vandalism is not spray painting, they destroyed property, smashed windows, broke into stores, and it was an ORGANISED event called May Day. You have been exposed, have a good day.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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no but for the FBI to get involved I expect a national threat or organized crime, considering the purpose of their existing....they are wasting our money if not taking a break.




If you don't see that is condoning their behavior then I can't help you. I have proved every single thing you said wrong, every lie you tell has been exposed. Vandalism is not spray painting, they destroyed property, smashed windows, broke into stores, and it was an ORGANISED event called May Day. You have been exposed, have a good day.


no one sees that....I only think the punishment is what is out of whack, I never said they didn't need to be shown the error of their ways....you have? NO one thinks so....I will refer you back to you earlier post about just saying things and hoping that because you say them they are true.....if you can't explain it, then you are not saying much, but just talking.....WHAT LIES?

name one......you can't....that in and of itself shows you LIE:......LIAR..

I don't care if it was a gay pride parade or a bunch of metal heads throwing a rock show, they didn't kill anyone and pretty much just broke things they could be fined to fix....hardly terrorism or a national threat to sit there and still be a hard ass and try and justify sending our limited federal resources to get teenagers vandalizing property that should be diverted towards TERRORISM...like from people trying to bomb our people, or defraud the tax payer.....

I have been exposed......?...do you have any Idea how retarded you look....?

damn apologist....ignore the facts and act like you have done your people a service here today....it won't change the reality that YOUR PEOPLE are fed up with everyone like you.....

We never would have thought that our own people would ever resemble the garbage in DC....we never thought that our own law enforcement would abandon us and side with a runaway government. We thought, hey they are people like us, they can pass whatever legislation and laws but if they be unethical our own people would never bust our heads and terrorize us, after all they wouldn't want that being done to our own people....

what we have learned is that they can be as bad as our external enemies....they can lose faith in their own people so much that in their eyes punishment and resentment for being who we are can justifiably spill into our streets and that they will take pride and pleasure in causing us pain and suffering.

We have learned that everyone has a price and sometimes it is simply belonging to something no matter how corrupt and wrong it can be in theory or practice...I now understand how tyranny spoken about in text books can exist in intelligent people and a civilized world...

I am not really angry any more....I am utterly and completely disappointed in my people. I am ashamed to say that we are no better than those cultures we learn about and distance ourselves from saying that we have learned our lesson and have set up a system where unethical and criminal mentalities cannot exist the way they did. That any corruption of the system would be limited to a single person because we turn out defenders of our people faster than opportunistic and short sighted people can corrupt them....

I guess I was wrong....

You need to feel you are right. Fine, think whatever you want. It's becoming a rarity to be allowed to do so. To say otherwise is a little naive and brings a bitter smile to my face.

keep at it. You might as well. You would never risk what you have worked for to defend what our people have built. Please finish the job and let us die already. taking your time while destroying our country is sadistic. The humiliation of the world watching as we become everything we stood against is almost too much to bear.

just pull the trigger already and finish changing our country into a bastion for greed, corruption and silent pain.

It has been a bad ten years to be an American....though for some reason I feel you have never been happier, while your people have never been more terrified and miserable...

sucks to be us I guess, because people like you take advantage and think we are not worth defending.
sucks when that happens to a culture. When they turn on themselves....shows a total failure. I guess we should just go quietly. I just wish it was an external enemy to ruin us and not our own people. That is somehow worse.


yeah.....good day......



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