New Law in North Carolina Bans Latest Scientific Predictions of Sea-Level Rise

reply to post by TKDRL


No, that's not what I said or meant, but if the suggestion is that Gore is manipulating some third party peer reviewed research which could then be used to devalue property, because the property is "under threat" then that's a leap.

The research isn't about a specific neighbourhood, or property. And most of the impact of this would be about future planning permission, not devaluing property.

reply to post by bigyin


Can we have some proof of this, or are you just going based on your hatred of climate change science?

Originally posted by stanguilles7
I dont get it? They are saying they dont want to believe sea levels will rise, because that will mean they cant build their massive, 4,000 sq ft homes right on the beach anymore? Thats REALLY their argument? Well, if you've ever been to Outer Banks, you would know these people live in a golf-course fantasy land.

Maybe but it's a damn good looking one if you ask me.

Jealous enof?

reply to post by cetaphobic


Explanation: S&F! This post was deliver by a bat winged monkey!

Uuhmmm? Let us all follow the Yellow brick road for a bit ok, because [insert large twister tornado here] I don't think we are in Kansas anymore Toto!

Ok so there is the articles author and they mention at least half a dozen different munchkins each with their own 2cents worth added ...

Let me disect that carefully and cherry pick from the source article...

news.yahoo.com...

1stly OL feels a KEY point to unlocking this is ...

The law was drafted in response to an estimate by the state's Coastal Resources Commission (CRC) that the sea level will rise by 39 inches in the next century, prompting fears of costlier home insurance and accusations of anti-development alarmism among residents and developers in the state's coastal Outer Banks region.

Let OL follow that further ...

[Edited by OL to add 1st name] (Tom) Thompson, who denies global warming, said the prediction was based on measurements at a point on the North Carolina coast that is unrepresentative of the rest of the coast.

And further still ...

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), sea level rise along the portion of the East Coast between North Carolina and Massachusetts is accelerating at three to four times the global rate. A USGS report published in the journal Nature Climate Change in June predicted that sea level along the coast of that region, which it called a "hotspot," would rise up to 11.4 inches higher than the global average rise by the end of the 21st century.

So Mr Tom Thompson may very well be credible on that issue ...

Now to asses that data my dear Dorothy ...

Hot spot may have sea level rise of 39inches in next 85+yrs and thats just 1.8inches average over 4yrs and thats probably not going to extremely flood anybody ...

That hotspot is an extreme sample an not indicative of the rest of the coast which may only foresee a 28inch [39-11=28]rise over the same time period of 85+yrs and would be equal to an average rise of 1.3inches and again over the 4yrs short term is again probably not going to cause extreme flooding.

Ding Dong The Witch is DEAD!

Personal Disclosure: I hope that lesson lessens the fear a bit for everybody.

But moving onwards to the political jungle and the money trail of doom profiteering, as it seems the insurance companies are the fiscal loansharks financing the rather fishy political deals and they are fishing around for the local landowners hard earned CA$H!

Oh Those Wonderful Wizards of Ozstrasizing you from your money.

Please choose to ignore the brainless Strawman arguments from both sides of the polical fence, where on the right there is a flightless Dumbo and on the left there is a hybrid Jackass!

What happened to the Eagle of the USA?

Isn't it the only one of the 3 really qualified to fly in times of national natural disasters ... why is FEMA strangely absent from rescuing all these horribly stranded people standing barely ankle depth in 1.8inches of water any when between now and 4yrs time to come?

Water borne diseases and parasites etc would definately be a future concern if they aren't already

To turn the tables in favour of the intended target of this hype, I strongly urge everybody to take note that the ULTIMATE power IS with the local land owners and council rate payers THEMSELVES, since they can join the local council and possibly be elected to the local board of councilors which is traditionally where and by whome the PRICE of local land rates are SET by.

They just have to get INVOLVED!

The only issue here is any fear that establishes itself in the mindset of an ever wary and financialy dependent home owner who has to make up their minds for themselves on whether the risk as THEY SEE IT is worth paying for the insurance or not a it is their call after all and regardless of fear or not it is still very smart to possess insurance but it is probably wiser to choose to live where insurance ia barely needed and would therefor be cheap to purchase.

It is like taxes ... "Oh OUCH I'ma melting!" ... Yeah welll maybe if they didn't muck about in the water they wouldn't dissolve in a puff of "I'll get you my prettys ... Muhaha ...melting FML! " etc.

Have Courage Lion!

In the meantime ... build an ARK! Didn't God go through this with Noah once before?

Whoops wrong storyline ... Glinda just ment click those ruby red slippers together three times and say "There is no place like home ... There is no place like home ... [end dream sequence] There is no place like home!

Sorry to be all hatchet job Tinman with no over the rainbow heart!

Call it whatever one chooses, Global Warming/Climate change/Natural cyclical event and blame it on whatever one has on hand. CO2/The Sun/My cousin Vinny


Coastlines change, They always have and always will it's in their nature to do so. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly and drastically. In reality. Only a fool builds a mansion on sandbar islands. Unless they have insurance in which case many of us will all pay for their arrogance in the form of higher insurance rates that helps cover the loss when his fantasy house gets blown over by a hurricane or washed away.

You silly dumb heads..

Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by bigyin

 

Can we have some proof of this, or are you just going based on your hatred of climate change science?

Here you go

Thats the first link when doing a google search on 'sea levels falling'

Theres plenty more

Originally posted by bigyin
Here you go

Thats the first link when doing a google search on 'sea levels falling'

Theres plenty more

Did you bother to thoroughly read through your own link?

But for those who might argue that these data show us entering a long-term period of decline in global sea level, Willis cautions that sea level drops such as this one cannot last, and over the long-run, the trend remains solidly up. Water flows downhill, and the extra rain will eventually find its way back to the sea. When it does, global sea level will rise again.

“We’re heating up the planet, and in the end that means more sea level rise,” says Willis. “But El Niño and La Niña always take us on a rainfall rollercoaster, and in years like this they give us sea-level whiplash.”

Originally posted by MikeNice81


Bwaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!! Non judgmental? Try being the kid in high school that actually thought hunting was okay, people should be able to smoke if they want to, and that guns weren't going to turn people in to maniacal maniacs over night. If you weren't a die hard socialist, an anarchist poser, post Americanist, new ager, or a "true liberal" life was far from fun. You had to search for friends from other areas.

Those people are the outsiders. We don't like those people either. It used to be hippies. The live and let live people. I dislike the socialistic hipsters as much as racists and others.

I never knew about racism till I left chapel hill. Im in north Raleigh at the moment and it's soo white, I guess it just bugs me. But like I said chapel hill is an island from every other place in North Carolina. I had no idea how stupid my state was till I left Chapel hill schools. I didn't mean it as a shining beacon, I just meant I lived in a bubble and had no idea what NC was like... That's it.

As for this law, it doesn't surprise me. People from New Jersey and other northern environs have destroyed their own beaches. Then they headed this way because NC's beaches were clean and less cluttered. Now they are reinventing our coast in the image of their home and spending billions for the privilege. With NC in a hard economic position they really couldn't afford to stop the building.

Exactly.. Nothing to add to that. It pains me too..

It makes me sad. Emerald Isle use to be a beautiful place with tons of public beach. I remember eating breakfast at Squatters' on Saturday mornings and walking up the access road to go swimming and spend the morning playing. Now the beach and sound both look like somebody dropped life size Monopoly pieces on both sides of the road and wiped out all of the local culture and community.

My grandmother still has one beach front cottage, that is dwarfed on both sides by these 3 story ugly "beach mansions" haha. It's still a beautiful beach though. And it still brings in billions of dollars to the state.
In fact I wouldn't mind being there right now.. mmm.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Call it whatever one chooses, Global Warming/Climate change/Natural cyclical event and blame it on whatever one has on hand. CO2/The Sun/My cousin Vinny


Coastlines change, They always have and always will it's in their nature to do so. Sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly and drastically. In reality. Only a fool builds a mansion on sandbar islands. Unless they have insurance in which case many of us will all pay for their arrogance in the form of higher insurance rates that helps cover the loss when his fantasy house gets blown over by a hurricane or washed away.

Yeah, had to quote you again as I feel the same way... All the way down to it could very well be your cousin Vinny. Lol

Im in Tennessee so it does not make or break anything for me, however to not consider sea level rise in planning is on them and the property owners. I wonder what the property owners think about this piece of news!?

Originally posted by bigyin

Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by bigyin

 

Can we have some proof of this, or are you just going based on your hatred of climate change science?

Here you go

Thats the first link when doing a google search on 'sea levels falling'

Theres plenty more

Next time, when you do a quick google search, you should actually READ what you are posting first, to make sure it isnt actually DISPROVING your claims, as you have done here.

, Willis cautions that sea level drops such as this one cannot last, and over the long-run, the trend remains solidly up

ETA: Oh, look, slayer noticed it too. Of course.

well i live near east coast of north carolina and i haven't seen the sea level rise in the last 35 years except when kicked up by a hurricane / storm event . the east coast of nc economy is mostly driven by tourism and seafood industry the reason they are doing this is because of fear of lost revenue from tourism. and yes they want better science then the al gore bs manbearpig global fearmongering . they did pass some crazy coastal laws when floyd came through and lost hundreds of million dollars of revenue if not billions because of coastal real estate developments forced to shut down back in 99 to 2001.. so yes now they are being very cautious . as i said i have seen no appreciable sea level rise in my area in last 35 years many spots by my house are inches above sea level and remain dry to this day 35 years latter even with ocean beach right beside.

reply to post by proteus33


Are you seriously trying to claim the sea levels haven't risen based on your fault memory rather than actual measurements?

Once more, you are jumping the gun.

It says they cannot base costal policies on this data. Which in reality, is conservative and a sound move to take. Not to jump the gun, and start telling everyone to move their housing to Colorado heights ...

reply to post by SLAYER69



No I didn't read it. I googled for evidence and that came up. There is loads of evidence that sea levels are falling right now.

Added to that sea levels were loads higher in the past so are in fact a lot lower than they were.

I can't be bothered digging up links for you it's all been done before on ATS.

Whats the point of giving you all the evidence when you are already fixated by your own evidence.

The fact is there are those who say the level is going up and those who say its going down.

I'm a downer. get over it.

Where I live next to the sea, about 30 years ago the main street used to flood on a high tide. That hasn't happened for a very long time now. Thats what I call real evidence.

Maybe I can find some pictures or newspaper articles from back then proving what I'm claiming and then come and see where the high tide gets to now. It's a lot lower.

Even if you think man made global warming is a hoax you should not like this law. It bans scientific data from being used in real life situations, which is extremely backwards and tyrannical.

reply to post by bigyin


I'm not going to prove your point for you. Either put up or shut up, because if you're unwilling to provide evidence you're derailing the thread.

reply to post by cetaphobic


Your the one derailing the thread asking for evidence for something that is patently obvious.

My point was that I'm pleased some authorities are standing up against the AGW nonsense and not sucking up everything the scamsters claim.

reply to post by bigyin


It's not patently obvious. The only source you gave us disagreed with you.

Read that again.

The only source you gave us
disagreed with you.

There are many factors influencing the sea level.

This Study explains some of it and shows that levels have been going up and down natuarally for thousands of years. With no help from humans.