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The Manchurian Candidate Revealed.

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Yes, a large dose is the key to why you had recollections. Large doses would not have the proper effect.

Small doses work best for triggering perceptions and realizations. Large doses make your motor skills and serotonin levels shoot through the roof and cause massive overreactions and exhaustion.

take lsd 1 tab of lsd will make you hallucinate and trip out and feel funny.
but 1/4 tab will make you think that you have psychic and superhuman powers.

but again instead of speaking just about James Holmes, I would like to see if we can collectively come up with similar horror stories and connect the dots somehow.

One thing I found out was that a reporter who was at the Toronto Ontario Mall massacre earlier this year, who was also in the line of fire, who also survived, was one of the victims at the Aurora shooting. Maybe she was the target?




posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Naw nevermind she was just an NHL reporter, with an NHL husband.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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James Holmes was programmed by his psychologist.

Anyway this drug sounds MENTAL and oh so scary...damn imagine if this stuff has been used further afield already? It's the Alphabet-Agencies wet dream no?

Speaking of '___', I tripped for about 16 hours on a Strawberry, changed my view of reality big time. Tripped for 8 hours, came down, tripped again for another 8 hours - was a nice holiday indeed.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by abeverage
I am sure the Mods will be on this one shortly but I wanted to tag on and say that is the most valid theory yet.

Holmes seems drugged out...but there was all the planning too do you have a theory on that?

Would go to explain why at maybe a more lucid state he told cops his house was booby-trapped.

Maybe they asked if his house had explosives, again this would explain it if her we compelled to answer truthfully.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by old_god
James Holmes was programmed by his psychologist.

Anyway this drug sounds MENTAL and oh so scary...damn imagine if this stuff has been used further afield already? It's the Alphabet-Agencies wet dream no?

Speaking of '___', I tripped for about 16 hours on a Strawberry, changed my view of reality big time. Tripped for 8 hours, came down, tripped again for another 8 hours - was a nice holiday indeed.

Did it really? Change your view of reality? in what way?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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I bet James Holmes and the face eater cases are related. It could be this drug or some other that is not made public. We know that the CIA has been looking for a drug like this for 50 years+. It makes perfect sense that they have it, and I think it would be ignorant to assume that they do not. Maybe someday this stuff will come to light, but somehow I doubt it.

Sometimes it seems the devil himself is supposed to be our protector! I can just imagine the type that would take on this kind of project. They are probably still laughing at Holmes and the guy who got his face eaten!

The biggest threat to our peace and liberty seems to be our own tyrannical government! Just hearing the word gun control scares the hell out of me. I mean come on, if the Jews of Nazi Germany had been well armed would there have been a holocaust? Stock pile, stock pile and stock pile some more.

Buy all the parts kits, weapons, ammo and armor you can folks! It is better to have it and not need than to need it and not have it!

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Also the common Jimson Weed plant has been used for this purpose since at least the civil war. Those who take it have little or no recolection of their actions and are open to just about anything.

Any doubt?
Student Cuts Off Penis And Tongue
news.sky.com...enis-and-tongue

www.psychographicmedia.com...


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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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I took Ambien for a few years and there were times where if I had'nt been safe at home....anyone probably could have gotten me to do things at their will that I would not have allowed while not under the influence of Ambien. I no longer take that garbage. This documentary almost makes me wonder if big pharma has been playing around with this drug.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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Any chance that, if indeed it was this drug, he could have obtained it from his psychiatrist or other person at the university? Given his knowledge, he could have been self-medicating for depression as well? I certainly don't know, but am wondering if any research is being done on this drug at his university. NOT accusing anyone here, just mulling over possibilities...

Honestly, I don't think that talking about this is a negative - it is a "public safety announcement" - knowing something like this is out there is important! Just my opinion.

peace,
AB



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Tindalos2013
After scoping the internet for use and knowledge of Scopolamine I will present a small potion of my discoveries.


If I could add to this body of knowledge.

Scopolamine is used in the MK ULTRA program in several ways.

But first let me give a little history, this drug was originally know in Druidic and mystic circles of the West as NIGHTSHADE:

Solanaceae is a family of flowering plants that includes a number of important agricultural crops, although many species are toxic plants. The family is also informally known as the nightshade or potato family. The name of the family comes from the Latin Solanum "the nightshade plant", but the further etymology of that word is unclear.

Tropane alkaloids are also found in the Datura, Mandragora, and Brugmansia genera, as well as many others in the Solanaceae family.[4] Chemically, the molecules of these compounds have a characteristic bicyclic structure and include atropine, scopolamine...


Nighshade (scopalamine) was used as a booster for psychic purposes. Astral travel, etc... and the MK project used it along these same lines.

Nightshade is useful in magicks done for Astral projection. In fact this plant turns up as an ingredient in many of the olde recipes for Flying Ointments and Witches Sabbath ointments. Some of these old recipes are in ”The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abremelin The Mage’, (1458), by Abraham the Jew, and ‘De Miraculis Rerum Naturalium’, (1560) by Giovanni Battista Porta,

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European witches used this plant in flying ointments, extracting its constituents into fat and rubbing it on the skin, so it had a place in every witch's garden. It is still traditionally associated with astral projection, but this plant is especially Saturnian in that it is said to create feelings of heaviness rather than lightness, being dragged down to the ground rather than flying. In traditional witchcraft, belladonna is typically sung to upon harvesting. Some even dance naked in front of the plant. This is in keeping with some cultures' use of belladonna for sex magick.

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So removing memories is just one of the useful purposes in MK projects. Many people will scoff, but there were many sub projects of MK ULTRA devoted to psychic research. These monies eventually went into the Remote Viewing program in the 1970's.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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Agreed, the truth about these kinds of things needs to be brought out into the open and made known, but it will never come out if these kinds of subjects are tiptoed around and kept hush hush.

It's known documented fact that the CIA has spent millions in researching ways of drugging people to gain control over their will so they can have automatons to do as they wish; whether or not they have succeeded is up for debate but they have certainly spent taxpayer money on trying.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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I can honestly say that this is one of the most interesting threads I've seen on ATS yet. S&F

The OP's theory makes perfect sense, and I have no doubt that the CIA would jump at the chance to experiment with something like this. If they've known about this for a number of years then you can bet that they have refined the dosage and methods of administering it, to perfection.

It seems some people actually want this thread shut down and are talking about illicit drug use to make it happen. Nice going guys. As someone said, this is the kind of thing ATS was made for, and you're going to ruin it for all.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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I don't think it's related to the US at all... my speculations point to an outside party. The US has plenty of enemies and they're becoming more intelligent in their approach...? (possibly?) Holmes did as he was told and plausible targets were deleted. Now he's fried and from what we've seen of him is a perfect example of someone fried from some illicit drug(s). Of course it's strictly a theory but plausible.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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I'm not saying drugs aren't used with something like this but plain old hypnosis works really well too. With hypnosis, you can practice a little more. For example, you could train someone to put on a gas mask and have them forget until you put them under again.

With plain drugging, someone might pick up on lost time and you can never be sure exactly how a drug is going to effect someone.

I would say if drugs are used it's to increase a person's hypnotic trance.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
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For example, prostitutes will seal both of their nostrils and put Scopolamine on their nose, they will then lure a male tourist into breathing in the Scopolamine by getting close to his face.

That is what one of the persons interviewed in the video said but I think that is BS. You stuff cotton in your nostrils and swipe it on your upper lip and you'll end up inhaling it through your mouth. I mean you got to keep breathing and its a fraction of an inch away from your mouth.

Looking up datura on erowid gives a lot of first hand experiences that don't seem to jive with the folklore.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Pretty funny how it's obvious you didn't even watch the video. As a former pro poker player, those people are not lying unless they're professionals...just saying.
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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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You think this because you've never encountered something on this scale...from someone that has experimented with countless triptamines, don't believe everything you see on erowid...



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Why not, it is just as reliable as any other posting on the net. So taking that and the vid in the OP with a grain of salt seem to be in order.

The guys from vice didn't even try it to give the viewers their take on it. Those who claim to have taken it are the only point of reference that someone who hasn't taken it has.


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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 01:53 AM
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I believe that Holmes did what he was told, and now I think it's very possible that scopolamine in some form was involved, but I disagree with your theory that the source was from outside the U.S. simply because I didn't see anyone killed who could have been a threat to any foreign entity.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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I bet you did Datura, both have scopolamine, but it is a different yet similar effect. It is a different plant, with different seeds that contain the scopolamine.



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