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Originally posted by misfitofscience
It is a horrendous and extremely dangerous hallucinogen and can easily kill a man. Here is what makes it so dangerous, a person can walk by you and blow it in your face, the smallest amount has grave effects. 1 gram can be used to send 10-12 men on a full blown mind trip, one to which they may not return from.
Truth Drugs in interogation
The CIA has been using this drug found in the flower of a tree in Columbia, since 1960. Originally thought to be used as a truth agent, it was later discovered that its effects have very strong powers of persuasion
on the person under the influence. Meaning, you can literally walk up to someone, blow the synthesized powder into their face and walk away and within 3 minutes walk back over to that person and get anything you want out of them. Their wallet, their watches or jewellery, sex, their homes and their life. When inhaled this narcotic exudes intense hallucinogenic properties that makes the user or the "prey" succumb to any and all suggestions made to them. There is no way out of the trip until it is over, and if you are lucky to come out of it alive, you could suffer extreme psychological effects for life. Few and far between come out of the dosing the same way they went in.
We all know JFK was assassinated in 1963. 3 years after the CIA discovered exactly what this drug could be used for, and almost 50 years later when a young ingenious, prominent scientist took the lives of so many in a Colorado theater. So please fill in the blanks recently and historically when the shoe fits. As it has in so many cases where the accused has had no recollection nor understanding of why they were being charged and worse off why they were incarcerated after having such prominent lives ahead of them.
LinkedIn profile of Robert Holmes
I cannot say for sure if the Sorcha faal supposed hoax about James Holmes father is true or not, so I went on Linkedin to see if I could shed some light on the situation and found his fathers profile, and do you know what, the shoe fits.
to which I also posted here:
LinkedIn Profile Robert Holmes
Again, Lee Harvey Oswald had no clue, no idea where he was, what he was doing and still to this day the questions remain. James Holmes had the same side effects after the incident, memory loss, unaware of his surroundings or during the time of incident etc etc etc.
Conclusion; We can look back and find commonalities of any and all strange, outrageous and unsettling incidents and can be assured that yes, with a proper time, place, plan and drug, A Manchurian Candidate could certainly be probable.
I am also calling for a complete drug test on James Holmes and if it is not too late hopefully the scopolamine is still in his system. So if anyone on here is from Aurora then please contact James Holmes lawyers and show them the following documentary.
NIMH researchers are conducting an inpatient or outpatient treatment study to look at how a currently FDA-approved drug, Scopolamine, which is used for motion sickness, can help with depression. In this study, the drug is given intravenously over 7-sessions. Source
This study sought to replicate an earlier trial that demonstrated the ability of scopolamine to relieve symptoms of depression quickly in a group of patients with major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder. The current study focused on people with major depressive disorder. Like the earlier study, this one compared scopolamine with placebo, and was double-blind in that neither patients nor clinicians administering medication knew whether patients were receiving placebo or scopolamine (both were given intravenously). Source
Early in this century physicians began to employ scopolamine, along with morphine and chloroform, to induce a state of "twilight sleep" during childbirth. A constituent of henbane, scopolamine was known to produce sedation and drowsiness, confusion and disorientation, incoordination, and amnesia for events experienced during intoxication. Yet physicians noted that women in twilight sleep answered questions accurately and often volunteered exceedingly candid remarks. In 1922 it occurred to Robert House, a Dallas, Texas, obstetrician, that a similar technique might be employed in the interrogation of suspected criminals, and he arranged to interview under scopolamine two prisoners in the Dallas county jail whose guilt seemed clearly confirmed. Under the drug, both men denied the charges on which they were held; and both, upon trial, were found not guilty. Enthusiastic at this success, House concluded that a patient under the influence of scopolamine "cannot create a lie ... and there is no power to think or reason."14 His experiment and this conclusion attracted wide attention, and the idea of a "truth" drug was thus launched upon the public consciousness. Source
Abstract : The data presented revealed that the scopolamine injected prairie dogs ran significantly less revolutions than the saline injected or control animals. This indicated that the 0.5 mg/kg injection of scopolamine suppressed spontaneous running in the activity wheel. The decrease in activity seems to be contradictory to Payne and Anderson's (1967) findings, however the higher dosage used by Payne and Anderson could possibly account for these differences. However, these results are consonant with the findings of Bradley and Elkes (1957) and Richard Moore (1971) which suggest that scopolamine acts in a sedative manner on the CNS. The results also indicated that the increase in wheel running seen when scopolamine is paired with intracranial stimulation is not due to an arousal effect of the drug. Source
Abstract : A method for testing the impairment of short-term memory, is described, and experimental support of its usefulness is presented. The test is the delayed recall of numbers and consists of the recall of single-digit to progressively longer multi-digit numbers at three short intervals per number. The test was evaluated for the ability of recall of digits forward and backward to measure memory deficits caused by scopolamine. It was determined that the digits-forward test is sufficient to observe effects on memory and that memory deficit is dose-dependent for three doses of scopolamine. Source
Abstract : O-isobutyl S-2.(DIETHYLAMINO)ETHYLmethylphosphonothioate (VR) causes cholinergic hyperfunctions, seizures, convulsions, cardiorespiratory failure, and death. This study evaluated the effectiveness of scopolamine in antagonizing VR-induced pathophysiology and lethality in guinea pigs chronically instrumented for concurrent recordings of electrocorticogram, diaphragm electromyogram, Lead II electrocardiogram and neck skeletal muscle electromyogram. Source
Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by misfitofscience
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Good luck Jim !
Originally posted by daynight42
The smallest amount would have desirable effects, actually. It's used by astronauts for one thing. Minute amounts are key. Too much results in the problems. So, I doubt that it could be blown into your face and that cause serious problems. How much could you get in someone's face (eyes) from a normal distance. If you were right up in their face, it's be easier, but then you risk getting in your own eyes and face. Besides people close their eyes as a reflex.
Funny the part about blowing it into people's faces comes from Dailymail...yea, exactly...
"Stories surrounding the drug are the stuff of urban legends,"...Urban legends? Exactly... They are probably making up a lot of those legends themselves, with the popular 'zombie' mess. So cliche.
Umm, you quote the CIA website, but I cannot find those paragraphs on the linked site. I searched the page for the words 'blow" "face" and "JFK" and found nothing.
I certainly won't be buying this at all. Wikipedia quotes DailyMail, a website guilty of so much fabrication and lies.
I might be willing to trust the CIA website as more credible, but they don't mention that exotic claim about blowing it into people's faces.
Originally posted by subject x
I don't know. It seems to me that someone in such a suggestable state couldn't be trusted to perform any task without getting derailed by the first guy who says to him "let's go get a cup of coffee", and if they waited for the drug to wear off, he wouldn't do the task anyway. Probably not the best candidate for Manchuria.