Scientology's "Hole" - alleged torture-camp for high-ranking execs who fell out of favor, page 3


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reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 07:43 AM by TrueBrit
The possibility of this cult having a secured facility for the containment, and chastisement of its high flying detractors is not as cut and dry stupid as those who refute the idea would have you believe. While such things might be highly illegal, it must be understood that the USA is hardly crime free, and that if one wishes to get away with behavior which is either highly questionable or out right illegal, then one of the best positions to be in, is to set yourself up as a religion.

Ever since the failed raid on Koresh and his followers, and the HUGE death toll which that incident produced, the government of the US has been reluctant to crack down on cultism and fanaticism inside its own borders, with the same iron resolve that it used to show. Since there are also financial benifits to setting up and being recognised as a religious organisation, one can clearly see that indeed, the scientologists are in a perfect position to perfom acts which would normally land a person in jail, and veil those acts beneath a code of silence, which by application of indoctrination, will be very difficult to break.

Of course, the nervous and reluctant approach of the US government toward religious and cult behavior amongst SOME of society there, is not reflected in its treatment of ALL fanaticism. But it appears as if as long as ones cult was born and bred in the USA, that the same violence and brutality that the USA has treated other, foriegn fanatic groups in the past and present is unlikely to be visited upon them. Further to that, they are unlikely to ever be investigated, or prevented from continuing thier utterly reprehensible behavior.

Do not forget that this is all happening in a nation which has a whole TOWN which is basically controlled and populated exclusively by neo nazis, with all the wrong doing and xenophobia that this scenario entails. Surely if the USA had an even and firm handed approach to fanaticism and cultism within its borders, there would be a little less concern when its military smash other cults and religious fanatic groups around the world. Perhaps it is time that the USA started pulling the lumber yard out of its own eyes, before examining the specks in the eyes of other nations?


reply posted on 4-8-2012 @ 08:46 AM by Erongaricuaro
The person, Cook, was in for only seven weeks? It sounds like there is a way out. I expect those who separate from friends and family and give up personal belongings and then stay in it for a long time may find they have more trouble separating from the group - which seems natural then.

It is most likely this "punishment" is voluntary, or at least is accepted by those members as a necessary step in staying within the group. Some people really like Scientology as I am sure for for others, most even, this type of religion does not suit them at all. I do know several Scientology members that have been involved with them for many decades at least going back to the 1960's, and though one friend is now in his 70's is still cheerfully involved.

Scientology classes are not cheap, most of them. Some top celebrities have the money to spend for it and many of them seem happy with the group, though I don't expect they are subjected to the same ethics routines as the paid staff members are.

A person can opt to buy their classes and go through the various levels as they can afford it, as has my friend. He has family members also in the group at various levels of participation. Some can serve on staff and get their training as part of their staff experience, as I know a couple of his sisters have done. He has "recruited" friends and acquaintances and several of them have become longtime members. Others like myself have taken a couple courses, given "staff" a try, read a number of books, and decide not to proceed. I was not thrilled with my experiences with them but I have found some of their "tech" useful throughout much of my life. My own involvement was for several months back in the early 70's.

Another way to be involved in Scientology is to join their Sea Org which structure is modelled after the military - L Ron Hubbard was former Navy. These people sign a "Billion Year" contract and the groups houses and feeds them while they serve as staff and receive their training. These are the folks that receive the more severe "ethics" pennances, though any member can be directed by their Ethics department to face some sort of consequences, though usually not very severe, extra duty assignments or such.

From all I know those kinds of punishments result from some sort of ethics violations and are voluntary, to which members go along with in order to stay in good with the organization. Otherwise, voluntary or not, there would be criminal penalties if things were too severe, abusive, or violent. An ant-infested building is not unusual for mostly deserted old office spaces. Scientology frequently acquires properties and the members help refurbish and restore them. If nothing else it is difficult to argue that Scientology is not successful. It certainly is not for everyone though. That Billion Year Sea Org contract can be broken, walked away from, but a member wanting to return after having "blown-off" may have to face some consequences and make ammends, perhaps do a lot of painting and cleaning of some old building while living in it in a deteriorated state for awhile.
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