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The Problem with Greer

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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It is a shame that people like GREER, HEISER and WILCOCK are out there spreading DISINFORMATION and LYING about things. In my way of thinking, they are USERS ... meaning they will prey upon the weak of mind, heart and spirit for their money. I would not give any of these 3 people the time of day.

1. I have felt GREER was a phony from the get go. He just wants attention and to be self important.

2. Heiser has always pissed me off because of his bad treatment of Sitchin and his work. Credentials DO NOT
make someone greater than anyone else. To me, that's a cheap parlor trick.

3. Wilcock is so full of himself, how could anyone possibly believe him.

I'm entitled to my opinions as you are also. I just know when someone is pulling the bull puckie over my eyes.




posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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If Greer was legit and was really getting at the core of the government coverup, you'd think there would have been some major developments from his camp since the original press conference over a decade ago...but, no. He still parades that press conference around like it happened yesterday.

If that's his claim to fame up to this point, then he isn't getting anywhere fast.

Not only that, but my eyebrow was always raised over his repeated claims that government insiders have allowed him access to top secret UFO/alien-related things that he has "seen with his own eyes." It's highly doubtful that, given his area of expertise and the nature of his public claims regarding government coverups, that he would be allowed into "the circle" to that extent, in my opinion.

And, how many times has he claimed he's briefed congress on these topics! Has anyone ever seen proof that he has done this? Any videos of him addressing Congress? I'm not saying he hasn't, but I just haven't seen proof.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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my first interaction with Steven Greer was by chance at an Arizona hotel. I was there for a training seminar. When I walked into the lobby to check-in one of the hotel lobby attendants asked me, rather excitedly, if I was there for the UFO conference! I was a little shocked and asked him about it; he said it had been going on every year and that actual "UFO craft" come down and land "right out there in the desert". The attendant had personally seen this happen three years in a row.

That was my introduction to Greer - a random hotel employee with no reason to share an actual UFO interaction with me. So, I tend to believe more-so than I would just some guy from the internet.



edit on 3-8-2012 by Thermo Klein because: typo



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by fah0436
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No. Sorry your wrong. No staged show on a cold sandy windy beach at night.

And no one was within 50 feet of me for my beach experience. So to do that, Greer got 3 invisible guys to walk across the water toward me? And used some kind of invisible electric device to tingle me? And why didn't he capture that on both audio and video? Would have been easy enough!

Are you afraid that ET's and ED's may be real?
You're just making up excuses with no real facts or evidence to back it up.
While I do have facts and evidence that has not been dis proven.




I am gonna jump on in.
I have had encounters-

One (count 'em), ONE orb. Place, VA/ NC line (NC side). The thing I saw did NOT show up only on camera- as I had none, and I was not needing one- as this was not "planned". What do you have? A pic with some blurry dots? I saw a solid (yes- solid) sphere. Grapefruit sized, and it was lit up like a frosted light bulb. In fact, I mistook it for a bike light. I got off the road, yet, and slowed down so the biker would not be startled by me. Too bad there was no bike, or biker for that matter. This thing did a beautiful 90 degree turn in front of me, and slid right through the woods, lighting them up like daylight in a 3 foot radius. It then went out- and I broke the world record for the mile sprint.

THAT is an orb. Cost out of pocket: $0.

Next up- Ghost battle Place, Chesnee, SC. I was inside watching some Netflix, watching someone's dogs and house while they were away. I started to hear thumping and the dogs barking their heads off. I walk out, and beyond the neighbor's house, WAS A WAR. Not fireworks. Cannon fire, gunshots, and all of it an unnatural, BRIGHT WHITE. The "smoke" went a certain ways up, and did something I never see smoke do- it stopped. I called the owner of the house, and asked for advice on this (and held out the phone, so they could hear). Yes, THEY heard it, and I quote: "what the HELL is that racket?!" It went on for a while. Seeing the stuff I needed to keep protected was not in danger, I went back inside. (at this point, every serious ghost researcher just wants to slug me). Next day, I found the site of this spectacle. When I say "there is NO way".... There just wasnt any way for this to have been done. The area in question was a business, crammed up next to a steep hill. There was a 4 way intersection- and one knows explosives and cars do not mix. Cost: $.75 in gas, since it was a bit far to walk to the location and back.

Next: My fave one- an actual, factual, No, I simply do not believe, IT WAS REALLY there, alien spaceship, complete with pilot! Place: Pilot MT, NC. My g/f and I saw that one night walking the dog and doing what for in rural NC was considered 'exercise'... trying to walk roads with no shoulder, sidewalk, and at night, so our chances of being flattened was lower. This thing came flying up while we were smooching. It came to a near hover overhead- at power line level. I could have hit it with a rock easy. whatever was piloting it turned on the cabin light. my g/f saw the alien- and with a reaction that would make Spock look like a a quivering motional trainwreck pointed out thusly: "oh, look. An alien is flying that thing. He just turned on the cabin light." I was trying to flag the damned thing down, dancing around like a fool. The dog? Ever see the Far Side cartoons? The one where there's nukes going off, and a dog looking at the ground- the caption "Suddenly, Ralph found something REAL interesting"? That was THIS dog. He looked up, saw it was not food, and went back to sniffing the dirt! NOT A ONE OF US GOT "TINGLY". The worst reaction I had was (once again) "NO CAMERA! @(*#(*!!!!" Cost: $0

I and my g/f are pretty sure I go off every so often with ET at night. Place Winter park, FL. She found some cube where I should have been in bed, and I was (again, as usual) sleeping on the floor. Her reaction, by all rights would have been me getting bonked lightly on the head with the thing and "What the hell is this, and why is it in bed?" She got to"what the hell is this thi-" and passed out cold. Woke up the next morning and related the whole thing to me. Again- nothing weirder than pure physical reaction to something more than likely designed to do that to someone finding it. (I think they adjusted it for Vulcan physiology.
) I am sure she wasn't supposed to remember the experience. Cost (to us) $0. Cost (to ET, the one who got canned for botching the device's workings, more R&D, tech support, etc): probably a couple million.


So... Whaddya got for $800 or so again, Mr. Smart Guy...? A blurry pic and some shivers up your spine? How nice for you.
Edited: Oh yes, in addition to my latest trips off planet, I am given- FREE- education! No, I am unsure what, exactly- Some military type training, and other stuff crammed in like "surveying", and basic lecture items on the like. I have bits and pieces when I wake up, and I am sure when I am to need it, I'll have access to it. It's not "secret" (not in the sense that it's some mind blowing thing that'll change Earth forever- We got enough of *those* crackpots as it is!), But it will be useful for *me* when...if...Probably "when". Sorry that not all of us will be super heroic Zeta Reticulan mutant human ninjas....



edit on 3-8-2012 by wylekat because: Oops. No place.

edit on 3-8-2012 by wylekat because: Just being truthful, but smarmy and snarky



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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I've never been sure what to think of him, but to post "Breaking News" about a potential EBE body on his blog to raise money for his movie is at best ill-judged I feel and at worst it has hoax or stunt written all over it.

If such a 'discovery' was out there with a good chance of being the real thing, I wouldn't imagine finding funds would be difficult at all.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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My Debunking the Disclosure Project thread from 2006 is still active -- long after I was banned from unexplained-mysteries

Suffice it to say I put a lot of energy into that thread taking full on all the "true believers" of the E.T. Greer Kool-Aid.

But the the CIA has been pushing this alien E.T. b.s. and so the U.S. has been mind-controlled by it.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Great points there and here's something you can do for yourself just to give you a feel for what we are talking about and to some extent, how Greer works. The next 20 people you meet and engage in conversation, ask them when was the last time they spent 30 mins just looking at the sky and what phase the moon is right now? Just jot the results down and then have a look at them after you have asked just 20 people. Also look to see how many use the term "Gibbous".



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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The answer is simple. Moore was working for Falcon and Falcon was CIA. Therefore Moore was working in a CIA operation and Falcon did not want that fact known. They wanted the UFO research community to believe that Moore was AFOSI to divert researchers down the wrong road. The idea was to misdirect the audience while you are busy doing something you need done. Moore couldn’t admit he was working for AFOSI or his UFO career would be over. As history would show a rumor was enough to cause all researchers to focus on AFOSI. To help direct all eyes towards the AFOSI Master Sergeant Richard Doty was brought in help and reinforce the misdirection towards the AFOSI and away from the real Falcon and the CIA. Doty became the second Falcon. He knew about Harry Rositzke and knew about the CIA operation. Doty’s Falcon performance would fool almost everyone in the UFO community, and there are some who will never believe there was a second Falcon. For them, Doty was, and always will be the Falcon. Doty’s Falcon impersonation of Falcon began in 1983 when he called documentary film producer Linda Howe to Kirkland Air Force base. At the time Linda was doing a documentary for HBO on UFOs. She was a big name in Ufology packing lecture rooms wherever she went. He had risen to prominence in ufology after producing an Emmy award-winning documentary on cattle mutilation called “A Strange harvest.” Doty’s story to Howe was that he was going to help with the documentary providing actual footage of a landing of aliens at Holloman Air Force Base.


Greer is just an off-shoot of the CIA e.t. disinformation



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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I totally agree.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by Thermo Klein
my first interaction with Steven Greer was by chance at an Arizona hotel. I was there for a training seminar. When I walked into the lobby to check-in one of the hotel lobby attendants asked me, rather excitedly, if I was there for the UFO conference! I was a little shocked and asked him about it; he said it had been going on every year and that actual "UFO craft" come down and land "right out there in the desert". The attendant had personally seen this happen three years in a row.

That was my introduction to Greer - a random hotel employee with no reason to share an actual UFO interaction with me. So, I tend to believe more-so than I would just some guy from the internet.



edit on 3-8-2012 by Thermo Klein because: typo


I had no idea this happened! I need to re-think my opinion of Greer. I thought he was a fraud.
I had no idea a hotel lobby attendant saw the alien craft land in the desert to attend Dr. Greer's
conferences three years in a row. This changes everything.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by fulllotusqigong

Greer is just an off-shoot of the CIA e.t. disinformation



A Colonel friend of Former CIA Director William Colby approached Dr. Steven Greer at CSETI in the mid-90s. A message was sent from Colby that it was time to end the secrecy on the covert operations that had covered up the UFO secrecy. A meeting was set up in April 1996 where Colby and Greer were to talk. The week they were to meet Colby was found dead in a mysterious canoeing accident.


Fortunately, most ATS readers will see this attempt to smear Greer a bit of dastardliness. You might be unjustly suspected of falsely claiming to have found a website which is proven to be involved surreptitiously in a plot to MURDER a high ranking CIA official. Greer is never mentioned in any false or damaging manner once in the lengthy blah-blah you have posted.

This will be a problem for you if you're being honest.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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That was my introduction to Greer - a random hotel employee with no reason to share an actual UFO interaction with me. So, I tend to believe more-so than I would just some guy from the internet.



Originally posted by ColeYounger
I had no idea this happened! I need to re-think my opinion of Greer. I thought he was a fraud. I had no idea a hotel lobby attendant saw the alien craft land in the desert to attend Dr. Greer's conferences three years in a row. This changes everything.


There are several such related accounts, many can be found on YouTube, btw.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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So you really think Greer has some magical ability to summon aliens?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:02 PM
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So you really think Greer has some magical ability to summon aliens?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Because I thought it would interesting I posted this comment on his blog:

"With respect Dr. Greer, While I'm all for the truth coming out, but don't you think that announcing that you may have access to an EBE body in an effort to raise money for your movie could be seen as pretty cynical by some. Isn't this the sort of thing debunkers love?"

Unsurprisingly my comment was deleted by a moderator, so much for a balanced view...



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by MRuss
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I say--don't shoot the messenger.

We need all the soldiers we can get.



People willing to believe (and pay a lot of money) to hear a snake oil salesman? Are they your soldiers, people happy to be duped by someone who continues to promise but never deliver? There are no soldiers in this, that is such a naive thing to say, there are people who want to believe and will do so purely because it gives them a comfort blanket - to be honest, I'm struggling to blame Greer for selling his crap - people seem to want to buy it after all.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by MRuss
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I say--don't shoot the messenger.

We need all the soldiers we can get.



People willing to believe (and pay a lot of money) to hear a snake oil salesman? Are they your soldiers, people happy to be duped by someone who continues to promise but never deliver? There are no soldiers in this, that is such a naive thing to say, there are people who want to believe and will do so purely because it gives them a comfort blanket - to be honest, I'm struggling to blame Greer for selling his crap - people seem to want to buy it after all.


I'm of the belief that it is morally wrong to allow fools to keep their money.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by Thermo Klein
my first interaction with Steven Greer was by chance at an Arizona hotel. I was there for a training seminar. When I walked into the lobby to check-in one of the hotel lobby attendants asked me, rather excitedly, if I was there for the UFO conference! I was a little shocked and asked him about it; he said it had been going on every year and that actual "UFO craft" come down and land "right out there in the desert". The attendant had personally seen this happen three years in a row.

That was my introduction to Greer - a random hotel employee with no reason to share an actual UFO interaction with me. So, I tend to believe more-so than I would just some guy from the internet.



edit on 3-8-2012 by Thermo Klein because: typo


And you have no doubts that you were just suckered there and then? In a hotel with a UFO conference someone approaches you to tell you their, ahem, UFO experience?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by draknoir2

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by MRuss
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I say--don't shoot the messenger.

We need all the soldiers we can get.



People willing to believe (and pay a lot of money) to hear a snake oil salesman? Are they your soldiers, people happy to be duped by someone who continues to promise but never deliver? There are no soldiers in this, that is such a naive thing to say, there are people who want to believe and will do so purely because it gives them a comfort blanket - to be honest, I'm struggling to blame Greer for selling his crap - people seem to want to buy it after all.


I'm of the belief that it is morally wrong to allow fools to keep their money.


I salute that, it's a brave and noble effort and am more than happy to help fight that good fight......



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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I've been offline sleeping. Will review thread now, but first won't get get this in here.

I don't mean to take over this thread, but every time I think about my experience, something else pops up. That's how intense it was.

I have two other stories to tell. But before I do, I should mention that Greer makes you sign an NDA to attend his seminars. And yes I do have some

problems with Greer in this area. He does wants to control things. I would say ego rather than staging, but nothing can be ruled out. I telling what I have experienced I am probably violating the NDA. But since I'm really helping him, what the heck.

I have two additional stories to add. They basically involve two people I will call M and I. The conference i attended was a week long session with almost every night spent on the beach UFO hunting/watching and the afternoon listening to Greer talk and showing us stuff - videos, pictures etc.

When I arrived at the conference, I personally know no one else. I had seen Greer in person once before doing a presentation and I was familiar with his disclosure stuff by purchasing some of his videos and books. M did frequently attend Greers conferences and some might call her a groupie, but I think that is much too strong a word. She and Greer did posses the ability to bi-locate, astral project, remote view and sometimes seemed to be twins. They did frequently back up each other stories. Since the conference, I had no further contact with M, but I and myself have remained friends as we now live in the same area. That was I's first and last Greer conference, and she certainly borders on skepticism with Greer but can't explain why. And that is yet another story.

One night, forget which one, think it was Tuesday, Greer did a meditation session. During the meditation session I very clearly saw four different alien faces and parts of their bodies. One looked like a Grey, another a Praying Mantis, there was a fish like face and one other I don't remember. I got quite a clear image, but tried to dismiss it as a figment of my imagination. After the meditation, Greer asked us to describe any experiences. I of course remained quiet. After about a minute, I spoke up. She described the same alien faces I had seen to a T. Of course I jumped in and said "I saw them too!". I think one or two other people acknowledged seeing alien faces too, that looked pretty much the same as I had seen. M didn't say a thing. Later on in the conference, I was curious with her remote viewing (I will use this term, even though it may not be the most accurate) abilities if M saw the faces too. Turns out that I had asked M if she had seen the faces and M said yes she had. So, if M and Greer were in cahoots, why did M not say so publicly??? Seems a big misstep to me and fairly compelling evidence to the contrary. And someone please explain how most of us saw the similar faces as reported first by I who I am certain is not connected to Greer in any way?

Another story is related to the military Helicopter we all saw that was Obviously on a Military mission. Greer and M both remote viewed the pilot of the helicopter and then the control center that was controlling the mission. They both described both their experience, usually M first backed up by Greer. With my own experience in Military aircraft and many command centers, I found their descriptions very compelling. M specifically mentioned that the military dressed man she saw sitting at a console (probably with imaging from the helicopter relayed in real time) was very unhappy and wished he could be with us on the beach. This truly shocked me because I have known dozens of military personnel including myself in exactly that position. BUllied, bribed even threatened to do something that most people 'know' is wrong. It is highly unlikely that someone without military experience could have known this. Greer backed her up, saying just about what I just did. I could see how Greer could understand this mentality having interviewed hundreds of military personnel, but not M who had no military experience, as will become obvious. After that session, while on a break, I privately asked M if she could describe the military man she saw better, maybe describe some of the insignia he was wearing. After a minute, she said she saw two whitest bars next to each other (sort of paraphrasing). I immediately knew what she was seeing and prompted her more closely if they could have been silver bars instead of white. She said yes, they were more silver than white. Anybody with military experience or familiarity would know and have said they're "captain's bars". That's what M would have said if she were familiar with the subject or being prompted (telepathically ???) by Greer who would know such stuff. (Continued in next post)
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