reply to post by schuyler
Thank you for the well-written thread on the problems with Greer.
I was the OP earlier today whose thread was removed (for reasons that don't make any sense to me. My source was an email to me from Greer, which I
pasted, since I couldn't link to it, and there was no solicitious requests in my thread, etc. etc.) And yet, it was removed. And that's not the
first time that's happened here either when I've posted something about Greer.
My problem with the sarcasm, with the inability to have a decent discussion about Greer and the dozens of other public UFO/conspiracy people that
nobody likes here at ATS--is the utter lack of respect, the refusal to think intellectually and rationally and present logical arguments. It's like a
bunch of school boys in the bully pit who prefer to duke it out rather than realize the world seeks logic and order.
Your points about Greer are well taken, and I can understand the animosity to a certain extent. But here's what I have to say:
There are people out in the world who wish to spread truth. We may not like the way in which they do it, we may not like that they ask for donations,
or we object to their egotistical methods, but you cannot argue with the difference that they're making----and it's needed. It's needed so badly in
this world right now--that we must wake up people one at a time and get moving before it's too late.
And yes, even with all their idiosyncracies and egotistical methods---I believe we must tolerate them in some way. There is no question Greer woke up
millions of people----and they may not like him now, but you can't question the value of his early revelations and his bravery. There is NO WAY for
you to measure his impact in those early days----no possible way, and I submit to you that the value of that impact far surpasses the damage you so
clearly believe he is doing now.
The point is to wake people up. You cannot feign to pick people's messengers and it is unfair of you to do so. There are those who say Shirley
Maclaine is a quack, and yet if you tried to measure the number of people she has enlightened about so many issues---again, it would be impossible.
And yet to even mention her name is to be ridiculed by many.
And what is the result of that ridicule? I'll tell you this: The conspiracy community is doing exactly what the rest of the world has done to
them----to engage in mockery. You people here---with all of your open minds and your smug pretense that you've got the corner on conspiracies----do
the same thing that you claim the rest of the world does to you----which is to mock someone's beliefs. It reminds me of the Puritans who came here to
America for religious tolerance, and then kicked anyone out of Massachusetts who didn't share their religious beliefs. Utter hypocracy.
You might not like other people's messengers, and that's okay. You're entitled to your beliefs. I'm smart enough to understand your disdain for
Greer. But when I run into someone who finally came to the understanding that we are not alone in the universe because of Greer----well, I tip my hat
to him. That's big.
Until people here are willing to quit their jobs to fight for the causes that people at ATS seem to hold so dear, until the sarcastic posters are
willing to risk their homes and their families and their livliehoods for the betterment of this world, then I submit to you that they should learn to
be tolerant of others. People like Greer are brave---and whatever else you want to say about him, you can't take that away from him. He's made a
difference, and that difference is immeasurable.
And no, I am not embarrassed to say that, as you so boldly said in your OP. I'm not embarrassed at all. In fact, tonight I am holding the torch for
all the brave people who have come forth and made a difference somehow, who risked their careers and their sanity and their reputations to speak the
truth.
You might not like how they're packaged, or how they make their living-----but don't be so sure that everyone else shares your beliefs. It isn't your
job to change their minds. It shouldn't matter to you at all. If Joe Schmoe chooses Greer as his messenger--the person who nudged him in his
slumber----well, the fact is--is that there is one more person on your team. Who cares who drove him to the game?
I hate to see ATS becoming so intolerant.
And like the Puritans, you'll drive good people away.
edit on 2-8-2012 by MRuss because: (no reason given)
edit on 2-8-2012 by MRuss because: (no reason given)
No offence meant but Greer may take offence and that would be absurd because he would know the validity of my statement. He should feel guilt for
taking money from people who are true believers/experiencers who crave validation and not ridicule which is perfectly understandable.
