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The Problem with Greer

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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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But the way M described the Captain's bars convinced me conclusively that she was doing her best to describe something she had no experience with and was really seeing herself. And I know from experience that Captains and Lieutenants (AIr Force/Army) are exactly the rank/grade of personnel who usually man such consoles in command centers, something M also would not have known. So I doesn't see how this could be staged/setup either. I'm really convinced that M had remote viewing capabilities (as well as other psychic abilities) and was not just relaying stuff from Greer.

Then there of course were cameras and audio recording. There was one case where an audio detector that was brought by an attendee (not any of Greers equipment) went off and started making noises while turned off - as witnessed by most of the group! Planted device brought by an associate??? Possibly, but the gentlemen did not seem that familiar with Greer or Greer's materials, videos and books, so that would be highly unlikely that we was a plant.

ANd for the first 3 nights, peaking on Wednesday, there where all kinds of light flashes going off, which you could see and yourself in addition to being recorded. The audio devices were generally the type that where beyond the human hearing range, so they could not be independently verified, except that frequently one of more audio devices would "go off" ant the same time.

So now you see how intense this experience was for me. I don't believe at all the the whole thing was stages/scripted - and my improvised questions disproved any scripting or collusion. Were parts staged? Possibly, but not likely in my opinion.

I think Greer is as real as anyone can be. Yes, he does have his faults, but he is doing more than anyone else I know to bring about both Disclosure and Free Energy. That alone is amazing and why he should be supported here on ATS and by the UFO and Free Energy communities.
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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by draknoir2
I'm of the belief that it is morally wrong to allow fools to keep their money.


What are your total losses to date? [wink] [wink[ [wink]



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Frameofreference
Because I thought it would interesting I posted this comment on his blog:

"With respect Dr. Greer, While I'm all for the truth coming out, but don't you think that announcing that you may have access to an EBE body in an effort to raise money for your movie could be seen as pretty cynical by some. Isn't this the sort of thing debunkers love?"

Unsurprisingly my comment was deleted by a moderator, so much for a balanced view...



Yes. Any all criticisms are cleaned off quite quickly. The Greer cult only wants positive 'press' on it's home turf.

They even go so far as to fluff comments of praise and support from fabricated accounts as means of social conditioning to impress new comers to the site with a feeling that if these other 'people' trust the Greer cult, and show their support so willingly with eager happiness, and even sometimes joyous testimony, then, it must be legit, right?

It's called seeding an audience. It's an old, tired con used by snake oil salesmen to control crowd dynamics. Plant some (paid) true believers in any audience (or in this case website comments section), and the curiosity seekers will be more open and prone to the suggestibility of participation with open coin purse.


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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by CiAlice

Originally posted by draknoir2
I'm of the belief that it is morally wrong to allow fools to keep their money.


What are your total losses to date? [wink] [wink[ [wink]


Well, there was that Geo Metro back in the '90s...



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by fah0436
But the way M described the Captain's bars convinced me conclusively that she was doing her best to describe something she had no experience with and was really seeing herself. And I know from experience that Captains and Lieutenants (AIr Force/Army) are exactly the rank/grade of personnel who usually man such consoles in command centers, something M also would not have known. So I doesn't see how this could be staged/setup either. I'm really convinced that M had remote viewing capabilities (as well as other psychic abilities) and was not just relaying stuff from Greer.

Then there of course were cameras and audio recording. There was one case where an audio detector that was brought by an attendee (not any of Greers equipment) went off and started making noises while turned off - as witnessed by most of the group! Planted device brought by an associate??? Possibly, but the gentlemen did not seem that familiar with Greer or Greer's materials, videos and books, so that would be highly unlikely that we was a plant.

ANd for the first 3 nights, peaking on Wednesday, there where all kinds of light flashes going off, which you could see and yourself in addition to being recorded. The audio devices were generally the type that where beyond the human hearing range, so they could not be independently verified, except that frequently one of more audio devices would "go off" ant the same time.

So now you see how intense this experience was for me. I don't believe at all the the whole thing was stages/scripted - and my improvised questions disproved any scripting or collusion. Were parts staged? Possibly, but not likely in my opinion.

I think Greer is as real as anyone can be. Yes, he does have his faults, but he is doing more than anyone else I know to bring about both Disclosure


While I might take exception to parts of your post, I have to applaud your efforts in the face of monumental disparagement and uncalled for character assassination.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Frameofreference

If such a 'discovery' was out there with a good chance of being the real thing, I wouldn't imagine finding funds would be difficult at all.


Tell that to Lloyd Pye.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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someone que jim carrey cause "AWW here it goes".
if you asked M to remote view what kind of Kool-Aid you'd be drinking later she probably say mango tropical punch.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by CiAlice
 


So you really think Greer has some magical ability to summon aliens?


There are more accounts and personal testimonies that say he can than ones that have seen him fail.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Frameofreference
Because I thought it would interesting I posted this comment on his blog:

"With respect Dr. Greer, While I'm all for the truth coming out, but don't you think that announcing that you may have access to an EBE body in an effort to raise money for your movie could be seen as pretty cynical by some. Isn't this the sort of thing debunkers love?"

Unsurprisingly my comment was deleted by a moderator, so much for a balanced view...


It's a blog not a forum. You wasted your time and now you want all of ATS to feel sorry for you, I suppose.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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So by saying you worked for said agencies was not to add weight to your claim?
You have no credible insight or official enlightenment...you just believe.
Not sure why anyone thinks Greer is any more capable of summoning UFO's than you.

If you look closely enough at the main players, Greer, Friedman, Lazar for instance the stories are always fantastical and never amount to anything.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by CiAlice

It's a blog not a forum. You wasted your time and now you want all of ATS to feel sorry for you, I suppose.


Hardly, it took 30 seconds...I'll live



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by CiAlice

Originally posted by Frameofreference

If such a 'discovery' was out there with a good chance of being the real thing, I wouldn't imagine finding funds would be difficult at all.


Tell that to Lloyd Pye.


Oh geeze...



Riches beyond the dreams of avarice would be insufficient to turn a human skull fragment into an alien cranium.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by draknoir2

If such a 'discovery' was out there with a good chance of being the real thing, I wouldn't imagine finding funds would be difficult at all.



Originally posted by CiAlice
Tell that to Lloyd Pye.



Originally posted by draknoir2
Oh geeze...
Riches beyond the dreams of avarice would be insufficient to turn a human skull fragment into an alien cranium.


Attempt to disengage noted.

According to your post, Greer has much less potential for providing proof of alien visitation than Pye. Pye has trouble funding. It's a very simple order of logic.































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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear... but if you stitch enough of them together and toss them in the fridge you can make an alien.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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I too am skeptical about the hyper critical and nasty posts RE Greer's work. The fund for the movie SIRIUS
has raised $250,000 and I know that they could use more but that is a start to do some kind of indy film. I made a donation as have others I know in the New Energy movement. BTW, his site is disclosureproject.org where it states:

_Never before has the wealth of information and insight of Dr. Greer been connected to such a talented filmmaker._ You too can be part of history - he will include names at the end of the movie for those who donate $70 or more and who WANT to be listed at the film's end.

One Oregon man went to D.C. with a colleague about five years ago with a bill proposal to fund new energy scientists and was scoffed at by our solons who said that there was not enough a big enough constituency to lobby for the funding so that they were not interested! It should have been sugar coated with O-I-L.
We ALL use ENERGY, duh. I donated $300 to his expenses for going to D.C.

The engineer and colleague who had worked tirelessly on the proposed legislation returned to the left coast bewildered at the intransigence of our funding machine in moving toward the new paradigm. ENERGY runs the economy and the evil empire has manipulated energy technology transfer and the TRANSITION from nuclear-coal-oil-natural gas capital intensive industries run by a handful of corporate dragons for almost a century.

For recent results - see New Orleans, Japan and the loss of mountain tops and well water.

The very word DISCLOSURE was given world wide notoriety because of Greer catalyzing the movement.

Has anyone on this thread even READ two or more of Greer's books? I have, and if you take the time - which you should instead of watching mindless disinfo videos trying to connect him with the Illuminati. Especially read the Disclosure Project book, do not be afraid to eat humble pie and return to this thread to apologize for your transgressions! I read it twice and have given it to several folks.

Influencing all those expert witnesses to come out of the closet was a Herculean feat - I expect Greer is surrounded by a cone of power, white light, purple ray, the Ancients and his meditative prowess which have sanctioned him to survive the vitriol and hyperbole of those who are either devious in their motivations for attacking him or envious of his ability to disseminate the truth.

I observe that most of Greer attackers are men, not unusual on the net. I understand that women tend to be more nurturing in their appreciation whereas Mars like members of this web site will be... well, more on the attack mode. BUT, guys, why not re-direct all that mighty force toward helping Greer achieve more disclosure instead of denying that he has done a superb job of getting disclosure in the forefront of the planet?

Sisterhood of the Amethystine Order - unite!

Or as Gracie Slick sang:

In 1975 all God's people rose from the countryside
to move against you, government man,
do you understand?
we've got to roll roll roll the rock around ...
lift the rock from the ground.

and

call high to the most high commanders!

and

... Is that Paris burning?

OH YEAH!



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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They were VERY evenly spaced splashes, not random at all. Exactly what you would expect to hear if someone (about 6 or 7 feet tall) were walking along the beach in 3 to 6 inches of water. Only they started from about 100 feet out onto the water. And there were three independent sets of "footprints" coming from three different direction. To my right, about 45%, dead ahead (as I was facing the water) and about 45% to my left. And they all converged directly on me. The noises stopped when they got to me (dry beach - no splashes , right) and that is when the tingling started. After a few seconds I sensed they proceeding onto the beach heading toward where most of the rest of the group was located and the tingling went away.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by tigercat1971
So would I be right in saying that your intelligence work in the CIA and NRO gave you the knowledge / proof that they are here?

And then you paid Mr Greer to see / meet them? If you do indeed have that background then you didn't learn much did you.

Greer is like religion, the worlds greatest sales pitch; "Believe in me and live forever".


Most of my CIA/military experience on UFO's comes from second and third hand sources and classified documents (collateral level) on general UFO reporting. Some have independent or indirectly confirmed some of Greers stuff. And when you add in what others UFO researchers are doing, all I can say in general that it all adds up and fits together.

But my outing was my first and only personal UFO/ET experience.



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by NightGypsy
If Greer was legit and was really getting at the core of the government coverup, you'd think there would have been some major developments from his camp since the original press conference over a decade ago.


Same could be as easily said about Richard Dolan and Graham Hancock. Would you classify them as hoaxers or unsuccessful investigators?



posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Mostly true. Can't argue.
I am debating whether to post a copy of the photograph. It is actually a picture of a picture (only thing I have is a hardcopy). But even posting that would violate the NDA I signed with Greer. Still thinking about it.


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posted on Aug, 3 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by fah0436
reply to post by RealSpoke
 


They were VERY evenly spaced splashes, not random at all. Exactly what you would expect to hear if someone (about 6 or 7 feet tall) were walking along the beach in 3 to 6 inches of water. Only they started from about 100 feet out onto the water. And there were three independent sets of "footprints" coming from three different direction. To my right, about 45%, dead ahead (as I was facing the water) and about 45% to my left. And they all converged directly on me. The noises stopped when they got to me (dry beach - no splashes , right) and that is when the tingling started. After a few seconds I sensed they proceeding onto the beach heading toward where most of the rest of the group was located and the tingling went away.


Your account is confirmed by Tracy Gyker btw.



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