Tea Party Aims to Apply Its Touch to the Senate GOP - We need 61 GOP Senators

Originally posted by glasshouse
reply to post by nunyadammm

 

I see what you're saying but how did that hurt the GOP? Seems that it helped them. If anything, that would've harmed the tea party. I'm not sure how much deception occurred considering they ran as Republicans in the first place.

So you have not bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises? That is the part that hurts.

I just had to say this,
As a Canadian, Eurisko2012 is kind of what people outside of the US think of as a typical American...

Not that that is necessarily true, just they are louder I guess.


As for the OP, I am fearful of the Tea Party gaining too much influence in the US, because their followers are so radical, and they believe so vehemently in the ideals "portrayed" by the party, that they don't question it.
All one has to do is look up voting records and you can see where the politicians counter their Mission Statement.

As for Mitt Romney, the only way he can cut the unemployment rate to 4% is to pad the numbers.

Flaws with Unemployment Calculations There are multiple reasons why unemployment calculations are not completely accurate:

The number of people left out of the work force is staggering. Millions of people have recently left the work force. The number of unemployed Americans would be more than a third higher if these people were included, which would in turn significantly increase the unemployment rate. Statistics also don’t reflect the number of recent grads who have declared themselves not looking for work.

The household survey uses a limited sample size. Although 60,000 households may seem like a lot, it is hardly representative of the 115 million or so that exist in the United States. It is difficult to know how well these 60,000 households represent the country as a whole. Many factors go into the determination of who is unemployed, such as education, ethnicity, and geography (which can vary state to state, city to city, or even street to street). If a particular group was overrepresented or underrepresented, the figure can be strongly biased.

Many people are included as employed when they don’t earn a livable income. Just because someone is classified as employed doesn’t mean they can survive off their income. They are the “under-employed” and are not represented in the federal unemployment rate. I have a friend whose employer only gives her work four days every two weeks, so she still has to live with her parents. Although she is technically employed, she cannot make ends meet with her part-time job. Furthermore, some are considered self-employed, but their business doesn’t earn substantial income. Many other jobs, such as farm workers or tourist companies, offer seasonal employment, so someone classified as employed may only work for a couple of months.

The business survey double counts people who have multiple jobs. If you work on a fryline at KFC, do auto body work, and help out with a landscaping company, you will add three jobs to the survey. In other words, your part-time job may end up “counting” for someone who is actually unemployed. This makes it difficult to know how many people really have jobs, especially in times when many must find a second job just to get by. Overlap can cause confusion. Some people fall into a couple of unemployment situations. For example, students are normally left out of the work force. However, if a high school student starts looking for a job, they become part of the work force and are classified as unemployed until they find one. People are also counted as employed if they just lost their job, but worked during the week of reference the statistician was using.

People are classified as employed as long as they “technically” still have a job. Often, someone is placed on temporary leave due to a variety of issues, but it’s clear they are at risk of losing their job permanently. Others have to leave for medical reasons, but may not be able to return to work. These people may know they won’t go back to work again, but until their employment status is sorted out, they are classified as employed.

Source

reply to post by nunyadammm

Frankly they have done far more harm to the GOP than help.

reply to post by MrSpad
Frankly, it didn't seem that way the morning after the mid-terms

Originally posted by glasshouse reply to post by nunyadammm
I see what you're saying but how did that hurt the GOP? Seems that it helped them. If anything, that would've harmed the tea party. I'm not sure how much deception occurred considering they ran as Republicans in the first place.

So you have not bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises? That is the part that hurts.

I don't think you really get what I'm saying.
If tea party candidates run as anti-establishment and then,once elected, go along with the establishment,
how does that hurt the establishment? It just adds to their ranks.
It hurts the group that the politician used as a spring board.
I also stated that, if all of the above happened, how surprised can you honestly be? I mean, a registered Republican acting like a Republican?
Get my drift?
What did I say in my statement that would suggest I haven't "bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises?"
What did I say in my statement that would suggest I voted for any tea party candidates.
You're reading comprehension is lacking, your condescension is not and "that is the part that hurts."

Originally posted by glasshouse
I don't think you really get what I'm saying.
If tea party candidates run as anti-establishment and then,once elected, go along with the establishment,
how does that hurt the establishment? It just adds to their ranks.

What did it add to their ranks? Politicians that turned on all of their promises and defied the people that put them in office. All of this is under the Republican banner because you know, there is no actual Tea PARTY. Look around, check the polls. It is hurting Republicans.

It hurts the group that the politician used as a spring board.

I would agree if I thought that group ever actually existed but it was always just a new name for Republicans.

I also stated that, if all of the above happened, how surprised can you honestly be? I mean, a registered Republican acting like a Republican?
Get my drift?

I am not surprised at all. I am not the one feeling betrayed by them either. It is the Teabaggers that voted for them that got the surprise.

What did I say in my statement that would suggest I haven't "bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises?"

All those words.

What did I say in my statement that would suggest I voted for any tea party candidates.

Not sure I ever said you did.

You're reading comprehension is lacking, your condescension is not and "that is the part that hurts."

OH, a weak personal attack. Good way to open a dialogue.

reply to post by nunyadammm


You're really not getting it.

What did it add to their ranks?

It added to their ranks people that would vote the way they wanted them to. Doesn't seem too complicated

All of this is under the Republican banner because you know, there is no actual Tea PARTY.

Um, yeah. I thought I was pretty clear about that too

I am not surprised at all. I am not the one feeling betrayed by them either. It is the Teabaggers that voted for them that got the surprise.

OK cool. Neither one of us is surprised. Are you insinuating I'm one of these "teabaggers"?

What did I say in my statement that would suggest I haven't "bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises?"

All those words.

All of 'em huh?

What did I say in my statement that would suggest I voted for any tea party candidates.

Not sure I ever said you did.

It seemed implied when you rhetorically asked me:

So you have not bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises? That is the part that hurts.

Basically, what I got from that was, in your mind I'm some idiot that supported and voted for a tea party candidate
but is just too lazy to do my homework and make sure "my candidate" is holding true to his word. The fact that it "hurts" you so much is because you think my level of idiocy and apathy is just so darn sad.

OH, a weak personal attack. Good way to open a dialogue.

Actually, this is how I opened the dialogue:

I see what you're saying but how did that hurt the GOP? Seems that it helped them. If anything, that would've harmed the tea party. I'm not sure how much deception occurred considering they ran as Republicans in the first place.

I thought it was pretty respectful. I politely asked an honest question to gain a different perspective.
And... this is your reply:

So you have not bothered to see if they have lived up to their teabagger promises? That is the part that hurts.

I think I've already covered this but I'll do it one more time.
You seem to think you "know" me all of a sudden. And what you "know" of me is that I'm intellectually lazy.
To me that's condescending. So when I replied rudely that wasn't to "open a dialogue". It was to end one.

And a good day to you sir.

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by hdutton

 

Very nice to read an informed and educated post instead of all the ignorant and childish repetition of talking points (of either party). My bet is only maybe 1% of people, including American ATS members, understand your point about why corporations are sitting on all their cash (or doling it out to their execs via massive bonuses). When corporate taxes were higher and had less loopholes, companies indeed re-invested revenues into capital purchases to avoid tax hits.

The only thing missing though is the simple fact that the wealthy NEVER, EVER create or created jobs or ever will. Only demand bolstered by consumers actually having money to spend creates jobs as companies ramp up production to meet demand. But now, in the global economy all big companies have no country allegiance and are instead like little countries unto themselves with employees and consumers around the world. In this world, only profit matters and if that profit can be made entirely overseas, a company does not have to care about the wealth of the middle class -- their do not need Americans money to stay profitable.

You should watch a movie called - Social Network -.

Then you should make a phone call to Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook.

Go ahead and tell Mark that Peter Thiel, Eduardo Saverin and Mark Zuckerberg never, ever created

any jobs!

You have been reading the same Anti-capitalist textbooks as Obama & Elisabeth Warren.

Your view of reality is upside down and backwards.

Originally posted by KingAtlas
I just had to say this,
As a Canadian, Eurisko2012 is kind of what people outside of the US think of as a typical American...

Not that that is necessarily true, just they are louder I guess.


As for the OP, I am fearful of the Tea Party gaining too much influence in the US, because their followers are so radical, and they believe so vehemently in the ideals "portrayed" by the party, that they don't question it.
All one has to do is look up voting records and you can see where the politicians counter their Mission Statement.

As for Mitt Romney, the only way he can cut the unemployment rate to 4% is to pad the numbers.



I find your reasoning to be bizarre.

You act like it has never been done before.

I think we live in a society full of chronic amnesiacs.

"the only way Romney can cut the unemployment rate to 4% is to pad the numbers."

American Exceptionalism has handed us a 4% unemployment rate many times.

Bill Clinton achieved 4% unemployment during the Dot.com bubble -1990s-.

Clinton also achieved a - budget surplus - for 4 years!

All he needed was something new called the - World Wide Web -.
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George W. Bush achieved an unemployment rate of 4.4% during his 8 year term.

You see, we can get there from here.

You need to remove the blinders on your head.
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President Mitt Romney is about ready to repeat history.

Small businesses in the USA will be creating 400,000+ jobs every month.

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BTW, your leadership in Canada is doing a great job.

We will be raising our retirement age to 67 just like Canada.

People are living longer.

Originally posted by nunyadammm

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
The Tea Party is all about - F R E E D O M -.

Also, the Keystone Pipeline will come in handy if we have a crisis in the middle east.

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The pipes are there. Time to hire some welders. Why are you denying them work?

How is it about freedom when you are advocating the government stealing people's private land and giving it to corporate interests. Any TEA bagger that tells me he is for freedom and then tries to give my land is going to get a lesson in freedom real fast.

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The Tea Party is showing the necessary leadership.

Our mission is clear.

We will bring back American prosperity.

We can't stay on food stamps forever. Our children deserve better than that.

- Tea Party Mission -

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I specifically brought up the government stealing private property to give it to private corporations.
Nothing in your posts even addresses what I wrote.

Originally posted by nunyadammm
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

I specifically brought up the government stealing private property to give it to private corporations.
Nothing in your posts even addresses what I wrote.

Are you talking about Eminent Domain?

Look, the Keystone Pipeline will be built and create thousands of jobs in the process.

Whining about eminent domain won't change that.

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BTW, didn't you see the Obama Dog & Pony Show at Cushing, OK?

Obama expedited the southern route that day!

Actually, that part is a done deal. Obama just showed up and looked like a fool.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Are you talking about Eminent Domain?

Look, the Keystone Pipeline will be built and create thousands of jobs in the process.

Thousands of temporary jobs. Not new jobs. Jobs for contractors waiting for work. It will come and then it will go and those private properties will still be gone.

Whining about eminent domain won't change that.

What kind of American are you?
Since when do Republicans support the government taking private land by force and handing it over to corporate interests?

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BTW, didn't you see the Obama Dog & Pony Show at Cushing, OK?

Obama expedited the southern route that day!

Actually, that part is a done deal. Obama just showed up and looked like a fool.

Do you know what you are talking about because I do not. Seems off topic anyway.

Originally posted by nunyadammm

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Are you talking about Eminent Domain?

Look, the Keystone Pipeline will be built and create thousands of jobs in the process.

Thousands of temporary jobs. Not new jobs. Jobs for contractors waiting for work. It will come and then it will go and those private properties will still be gone.

Whining about eminent domain won't change that.

What kind of American are you?
Since when do Republicans support the government taking private land by force and handing it over to corporate interests?

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BTW, didn't you see the Obama Dog & Pony Show at Cushing, OK?

Obama expedited the southern route that day!

Actually, that part is a done deal. Obama just showed up and looked like a fool.

Do you know what you are talking about because I do not. Seems off topic anyway.

I'm talking about the southern part of the Keystone Pipeline.

You act like i made a post about crop circles.

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Truth be told, i do not see an - epidemic - of Eminent Domain taking place all across America.

You are overreacting.
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Jobs.

I'll take all jobs. Temporary and permanent jobs all sound great to me.

Why are you denying welders work? God knows they need the income.

Why are you ok with the government taking private property away from people to give it to corporations?
Make the Republican argument for that.

Originally posted by nunyadammm
Why are you ok with the government taking private property away from people to give it to corporations?
Make the Republican argument for that.

If you are talking about Eminent Domain, then why don't you type in the words

Eminent Domain???

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I don't like Eminent Domain but sometimes it is necessary.

Like i said earlier, it's not an epidemic across America. I think you are overreacting.

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I'm more concerned about the $16 Trillion national debt and the interest we pay on that

debt.

The Republican Party has been infiltrated by extremists and has become a danger to the future of this country.

Anyone who doesn't see that has become blind to the truth.

I for one, will be doing my part to putting a stop to it at the voting booth in November.

Originally posted by Junkheap
The Republican Party has been infiltrated by extremists and has become a danger to the future of this country.

Anyone who doesn't see that has become blind to the truth.

I for one, will be doing my part to putting a stop to it at the voting booth in November.

Obama is the Radical Marxist who is masquerading as a moderate.

His time is short.

His economic policies have failed.

The $$$ trillion deficits will be coming to an end.

I think Obama has already written his concession speech.

The Obama supporters have become disenchanted with the Obama Failures.

Welcome to the White House President Mitt Romney.
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-- America tried on a socialist suit and it didn't fit. --

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
The $$$ trillion deficits will be coming to an end.

By hiding them from the books like they did from 2001-2008?

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
His economic policies have failed.

You mean the economic policies that the Republican members of Congress keep blocking?

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
His economic policies have failed.

You mean the economic policies that the Republican members of Congress keep blocking?

No, the unending regulations coming out of the White House.

Obama has wrapped a wet blanket around Free Market Capitalism.

He HATES the private sector.

Obama considers small businesses to be the enemy.

Our GDP has slowed to 1.5%. That is a disgrace.

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
The $$$ trillion deficits will be coming to an end.

By hiding them from the books like they did from 2001-2008?

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
His economic policies have failed.

You mean the economic policies that the Republican members of Congress keep blocking?

edit on 16-8-2012 by Junkheap because: The horrible, awful, terrible blue fuzzy things.

You know...in california they are using imminent domain to keep people in their homes. Isnt california a democrat state? It is not just republicans that use that tactic.

Originally posted by yuppa

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
The $$$ trillion deficits will be coming to an end.

By hiding them from the books like they did from 2001-2008?

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
His economic policies have failed.

You mean the economic policies that the Republican members of Congress keep blocking?

edit on 16-8-2012 by Junkheap because: The horrible, awful, terrible blue fuzzy things.

You know...in california they are using imminent domain to keep people in their homes. Isnt california a democrat state? It is not just republicans that use that tactic.

I think you mean - Eminent Domain -.

California is a mess.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Look at all 50 states.

The ones with Democrats in charge are a train wreck.

The ones with Republicans in charge are getting stronger.