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All Members: 9/11 Conspiracies Forum Update and Information

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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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reply to post by swoopaloop
 


That is a serious charge. Let's see the evidence for it.




posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


Please export the shill-rule to other sub-forums. It is an over-used tactic meant to do nothing but derail a thread and turn it to personality conflicts.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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This sounds like a big step in the right direction.
I have never really participated in the 9/11 forums due to the reason SO alluded to in the original post.
Seemed more about name-calling and putting others' theories down rather than an open discussion.

Question everything, it's healthy.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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I think these rules are a good idea and should apply to the whole site not just the 9/11 forum.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


This is my opinion as a member.

This step is long overdue, and I welcome it with open arms.

That horrible day eleven years ago has irrevocably changed the world. It deserves to be discussed, and for the discussion to have any meaning at all, it must be carried out in a respectful manner.

Strongly held opinions are rampant. With an event like this, how could it be otherwise? Are those opinions the "truth"? Isn't that why we're here? To discover together what really happened, or didn't happen.

Can't do that when a group of people can not handle the simple concept of civil discourse, and questions regarding their theories.

Don't be so entrenched in your opinion that you can't handle a questioning attitude that may shed an unfavorable light on your opinion.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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On this day, ATS Members (with the support of staff), take back the 9/11 Conspiracies forum from the despicable sensationalist equivocators who have usurped these topics in the name of gratuitous squabbling and attention-seeking chicanery. These topics have become so irreparably polluted with the flotsam of escalating one upmanship and repugnant language that no thinking person dare consider participation.


Skep

I want your vocabulary. These are some great ideas and I'm sure if needed you can even up the ante until the right effect is achieved. Good to see some attempts at problem solving.

edit on 2-8-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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It is a sensitive subject and should be treated as so.
I have observed the compassion on both sides of the truth seeking and sometimes ignorance does find its way into those threads. I try to avoid them due to how much energy is within them that seems unstable and I try not to add mine to it overall. Hopefully if there was hidden deception related it will come out eventually.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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I just went through the first few pages of the more recent popular 9/11 threads and I hope to God that this isn't going to be retroactively enforced.


It would devastate the forum because [on the surface at first glance] it appears that many of the heavy hitters in said forum are all to a certain degree guilty of the name calling and or personal attack scenario outlined by SO.





posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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I have read a few of the 9/11 threads brfore joining but have never even entered one since I have because of the afore mentioned behavior. I think I may just remedy that now.

This is one of the reasons I joined this site, thanks for denying ignorance( not mine, not yours, not his, not hers, but ALL ignorance).

Proving once again mods , YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST STAFF ON THE NET!



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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I recently stopped posting there. Just got tired of it. Not so much of people hurling insults or dismissing my work out of hand, but from the frustration of trying to convince others of ABC. One has no idea whom one is conversing with "behind the veil".

I even developed a pic I use when all else fails... you guys tell me... does this count as a violation (now) or not? I never got any complaints before.


Making new rules for those that seem to have little regard for them is one approach. I'm not sure that message will be the one that gets through. When asked, murderers will tell you they have little regard for the threat of execution. Maybe society doesn't care as long as they never kill again.

If we enforce the rules and start actually banning a few and hanging their user names on the threshold of the 911 forum like kings of old put heads on stakes outside their bivouac...

All joking aside, I am glad that attention has been drawn to this frustrating problem. I love that forum.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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just went through the first few pages of the more recent popular 9/11 threads and I hope to God that this isn't going to be retroactively enforced.

Not if we retain ex post facto law.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Thank you SO and the rest of the ATS staff - this is something that I believe is long overdue. I think perhaps at one time or another almost all of us have been frustrated with someone and resorted to a personal attack, but there are several members who do this in almost every post they make.

I would also like to join the growing throng of members asking for this policy to be applied to all forums (especially the UFO/alien threads). Having been called a shill, disinfo agent and other similar names as well as having my intelligence questioned just because I don't believe we are being visited is getting really old.

Also - if members could give applause to the ATS staff, I would absolutely give yeahright applause for this:


Originally posted by yeahright
reply to post by Unity_99
 


Neither "side" has a monopoly on the term "shill". If you consider yourself on any side other than the side searching for truth, you've already lost. The intent is to be collaborative, NOT competitive.

Being honest doesn't mean you're free to spew every thought about someone else that may enter your head. Anyone who thinks honesty and civility are mutually exclusive is probably in the wrong place.
edit on 8/2/2012 by yeahright because: typo


This post really should sum up the intent of ATS:
"If you consider yourself on any side other than the side searching for truth, you've already lost."

I may make that my signature if yeahright doesn't mind.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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ATS staff makes it a habit of not actioning relatively older posts.

So no, I doubt it will be retroactively enforced. Although those posts are technically T&C violations, they were not under the umbrella of this new policy.

It jus would not be fair.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Speaking for myself? Yes, I would consider that a violation. If you've reached that point, you need to think about taking a break from the forum.

Before I did anything, I'd ask for opinions from fellow staff, but yeah, I'd call that just a tad rude.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
That was one of the forums I looked at when I first got here and it was crazy over there! Thanks for taking steps to make it a better place


I've got most of the "newbie" issues defeated within myself.... but I still go off topic alot...
ummmm... like now.... kinda.... but not really ...


Maybe it's just my ADHD that won't let me stick with one thought for every long





...what were we talking about again?

your avatar is awesome! did u make that i cant stop laughing


yup!!! We have an avatar thread going where you can get your own made just the way you want it! link is in my sig line



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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uhmm...a question?
is this because the "pilots 4 truth" members were dissing ATS members who believed the official story? or was it from ATS members who were dissing the "pilots 4 truth" members, or was it both, or was it brand new ATS members that only came here recently and just dissed any and/or all 9/11 conspirecy(s)?



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
dissed any and/or all 9/11 conspirecy(s)?

Seek and destroy task forces focusing in on certain opinions isn't representative of the truth, it usually means someone has something to hide.
edit on 2-8-2012 by L00kingGlass because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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I didn't know any of that was going on still.

I have actually avoided the 911 forums for a very long time, specifically because the level of animosity is higher than anywhere else. The personal attacks were pretty much a given and expected, and I had felt like even mentioning an opinion would warrant a personal attack.

Of course that happens everywhere on Earth to some extent, but the 911 topic is just a travesty.

Now you know why I avoided it.

Maybe I will actually consider making that Kroll + Marsh McL conspiracy thread I have been wanting to make?
I don't know exactly where I'll go with it but I'll eventually figure it out. Unless of course someone else can do it better before I get to it.


This is just what if talk because obviously I have like 10 threads I am considering writing but haven't got around to any of them yet.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Whew! I thought for a moment that you guys were just gonna shut down the whole forum. What a relief! Building 7, lack of debris at the Pentagon......

Way to sock it to the trolls!



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Obama said he's be sending in an army to fight the conspiracy theorists, this thread is the clearest evidence yet that they are here copying and pasting from their scripts



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