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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
Simple, you could spend all of your time adapting and never get anything done, therefore you have a reduced quality of life.

Strange. I've adapted to today's society and still manage to get a lot done. In fact adapting to the technological age makes our lives much easier and helps us get more done. What you don't understand about adaptation is that it's a continuous process that never ends. Sure if you spend a significant amount of time hunting your own food, you have less time to lounge around, but that's not really different than working long hours at a job to earn money to pay for food. That is us, adapting.


Anytime you have to make tools to get something accomplished, its not natural.

So a Dolphin using a seashell to dig food and teaching her young how to do it is not natural? So you're telling me Dolphins were brought here from another planet in a marine spaceship?

Sharks are pretty amazing and are one of the most successful species in the history of our planet. They predate dinosaurs by about 200 million years. They've dominated the oceans and the fossil record for a very long time. Surely you'd expect the white shark to have a target food. There's no question whatsoever they are from earth. So why is it that sharks dominate every ocean in the world, yet have such varying diets? These are creatures that migrate thousands of miles at a time to feed at opportune times. In different areas of the world, white sharks have different behaviors, hunting styles, and eat different food. It isn't just instinct. It is adapting and they are darn good at it. Humans are getting there.




posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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Depends on the action. One thing for sure is if its not a natural action, then its not good.

You failed to show any evidence. You can no longer claim processes rule food out when replying to me.

Thats ok as you seem to not understand the difference between natural process or otherwise.
That coming from a guy that cannot grasp evolution is a word not a thing or a creator
You lost, get over it.


So you expect me to believe you with no evidence I have to take your word for it I decline that offer. You have no evidence then you have no argument.

You have no proof that they are from here to begin with, but I do have something in my favor, documentation that gives us a clue that they are not from here. Thats more than you have.
I don’t need to prove that 'they' are from here. You are the one making the claim 'they' are not from here but you have absolutely nothing to prove it. Come back when you have.



What are you talking about, I have historical documentation which is a lot more than you have.
You already lost that one. I do wonder how you have managed to dismiss a mountain of evidence, examples and corroborating evidence all reviewed tested and repeatable when you cannot even show the existence of some mythical food.



So thats why our debates have last more than a few months, LOL if you don't know what a few is, you really shouldn't be debating much less making demands about it the way you do. So because or your ignorance, I lose LOL, thats a new one.
You are making claims in a scientific format. A few is not acceptable terminology as a real science major would know. As for this debate with you, It’s over. You have no proof. Target food is dead.


Its just like you colin, always jumpting to conclusions, and if the answers you seek don't satisfy you to the point that it answers all the non related questions in the world,
You gave no answers. You posted replies that consisted of your opinion only.

I refused to 'jump to a conclusion' evident by me continually asking for proof. The conclusion I came to after you failed to do that every time, and many times is that you have nothing to back your claim up. You admitted that yourself.



it must be a false theory.
Yep. Proven by your inability to supply evidence and all the opposing arguments you could not respond to.



Well guess what, evolution beat you to that.
Makes no sense, you're babbling,


Eveolution is not able to explain how a species appears to be programmed with knowing what its supposed to eat.
Nope. You just do not have the capacity to understand it (or spell it) so you made up some mythical food. You failed.


So evolution failed a long time ago as it was created much earlier than Target Food.
Here you go again. Evolution is a word. A word that describes a process.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 04:14 AM
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Target Food is dead in humans, dogs, cats, and some other life, but mostly it lives on in the rest of the species that are some how magically knowing what to eat, and what not to eat.
I have no idea what you are on about. What is target food? Define it, show evidence for it. Do that.


Target air doesn't seem to explain anything aside from the fact that we all breath air.
Just go away and think about your statement above
but adjust it slightly. 'we all breath the same air'


Thats not proof we are from here,
Why have you chosen to ignore

3. The lungs of target air breathers are just the correct capacity to allow us to breathe steadily and even instinctively knows when to increase the rate we breathe at as we take exercise or do strenuous work and continues even when we sleep. FACT

4. Our lungs are just the correct capacity to transfer the oxygen to the blood and our blood is in the correct quantity to allow our hearts to provide all our organs with the correct levels of oxygen and so the atmosphere we breathe is perfect for us. Us being ALL the air breathing animals on this planet.

5. What do we have in common with all those air breathers? The answer is THIS PLANET and its atmosphere.

And this point based on your own logic

6. One of tooths stipulations for target food is that it is everywhere and easily gained with little effort. Our target air fulfils that requirement 100% with no need for supplements or additional types of air . No creature that breathes target air has to do anything more than breath and there it is.

Unlike you I have offered an argument. Given examples with facts but you have chosen to ignore them. Have you some aversion to anything that is not fantasy?


but the fact that other species have what appears to be designated food, and we don't proves we aren't from here.
You see
you cannot claim a fact appears. A fact is a fact, end of. All you have proved is you don’t know how to use the word fact.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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And pof course, according to your fantasy, none of those animals are from earth as nonen of them appear to have what you define as target food.

That aside.....You still haven't provided the proof of your threads statement. When do you intend to show how, if target food existed (it doesn't) it disproves evolution?

I'm seriously begining to think that you have no evidence.....If this level of statement were posted on one of the UFO pages, with the lack of evidence you have offered. The thread would be removed and you would be banned for posting purposfully misleading information....Where is the report button!



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Strange. I've adapted to today's society and still manage to get a lot done. In fact adapting to the technological age makes our lives much easier and helps us get more done. What you don't understand about adaptation is that it's a continuous process that never ends. Sure if you spend a significant amount of time hunting your own food, you have less time to lounge around, but that's not really different than working long hours at a job to earn money to pay for food. That is us, adapting.
There is creative purpose for everyone, and lounging around, or adaptating, or worshiping a faith is not it.




So a Dolphin using a seashell to dig food and teaching her young how to do it is not natural? So you're telling me Dolphins were brought here from another planet in a marine spaceship?
Most likely not. And yes as that is what the book tells us, and there is evidence that supports it, which is what we are talking about.




Sharks are pretty amazing and are one of the most successful species in the history of our planet. They predate dinosaurs by about 200 million years. They've dominated the oceans and the fossil record for a very long time. Surely you'd expect the white shark to have a target food. There's no question whatsoever they are from earth. So why is it that sharks dominate every ocean in the world, yet have such varying diets? These are creatures that migrate thousands of miles at a time to feed at opportune times. In different areas of the world, white sharks have different behaviors, hunting styles, and eat different food. It isn't just instinct. It is adapting and they are darn good at it. Humans are getting there.
Diverse habbits like that COULD explain adaptation going on. You would have to look a lot more in depth at him, his habbits, and possibly if anything else went extinct that could have been his target food.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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Depends on the action. One thing for sure is if its not a natural action, then its not good.

You failed to show any evidence. You can no longer claim processes rule food out when replying to me.

Thats ok as you seem to not understand the difference between natural process or otherwise.

That coming from a guy that cannot grasp evolution is a word not a thing or a creator You lost, get over it.
Get over what? The fact that your dishonest and try to claim that my links dont work when they do. Very sad.




So you expect me to believe you with no evidence I have to take your word for it I decline that offer. You have no evidence then you have no argument.

You have no proof that they are from here to begin with, but I do have something in my favor, documentation that gives us a clue that they are not from here. Thats more than you have.

I don’t need to prove that 'they' are from here. You are the one making the claim 'they' are not from here but you have absolutely nothing to prove it. Come back when you have
So I take it your just going to ignore the documentation that proves it happened. How sad is that, someone that closed their mind off to history, and then makes up their own history.




What are you talking about, I have historical documentation which is a lot more than you have.

You already lost that one. I do wonder how you have managed to dismiss a mountain of evidence, examples and corroborating evidence all reviewed tested and repeatable when you cannot even show the existence of some mythical food.
I have no idea what your talking about.




So thats why our debates have last more than a few months, LOL if you don't know what a few is, you really shouldn't be debating much less making demands about it the way you do. So because or your ignorance, I lose LOL, thats a new one.

You are making claims in a scientific format. A few is not acceptable terminology as a real science major would know. As for this debate with you, It’s over. You have no proof. Target food is dead.
On the contrary, target food became very much alive when evolution failed to explain how it is that an entire species knows how to eat the same food. Bad religion.




Its just like you colin, always jumpting to conclusions, and if the answers you seek don't satisfy you to the point that it answers all the non related questions in the world,

You gave no answers. You posted replies that consisted of your opinion only.

I refused to 'jump to a conclusion' evident by me continually asking for proof. The conclusion I came to after you failed to do that every time, and many times is that you have nothing to back your claim up. You admitted that yourself.
My claims are backed up with documented proof that we are not from here, and that our food is not here as well. My claims are also backed up with science that shows us what a species eats. Yours is backed up by hypothesis and unproven theories.




it must be a false theory.

Yep. Proven by your inability to supply evidence and all the opposing arguments you could not respond to.


Well guess what, evolution beat you to that.

Makes no sense, you're babbling,


Eveolution is not able to explain how a species appears to be programmed with knowing what its supposed to eat.

Nope. You just do not have the capacity to understand it (or spell it) so you made up some mythical food. You failed
How can I make up mythical food when its exactly what species are eating? Explain that.




So evolution failed a long time ago as it was created much earlier than Target Food.

Here you go again. Evolution is a word. A word that describes a process.
If evolution were just a word, then the best synonym I can think of is creator. Anything that creates over a billion species in my book is a creator. Now I know its a tad hard for you to grasp your pea brain around but its real simple. Creating billions of new species is a creator in the truest sense. There is no way your going to squeek away with making over a billion species and not get recognized as a creator. And it goes for the same with species haveing clear direction on what they are suppose to eat. Your not going to squeek away with programming all living life to tell them what they are supposed to eat, and not be intelligent.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
There is creative purpose for everyone, and lounging around, or adaptating, or worshiping a faith is not it.

So now you are claiming that life has a purpose and you know what it is? Surely you can back that up.



Most likely not. And yes as that is what the book tells us, and there is evidence that supports it, which is what we are talking about.

Please provide me the quotes and pieces of evidence that say Dolphins were brought to earth from another planet. You keep claiming the bible says we are not from earth. When are you going to back that up? According to the bible we were created on earth.
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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Target Food is dead in humans, dogs, cats, and some other life, but mostly it lives on in the rest of the species that are some how magically knowing what to eat, and what not to eat.

I have no idea what you are on about. What is target food? Define it, show evidence for it. Do that.
All I'm saying is that we don't have our target food.




Target air doesn't seem to explain anything aside from the fact that we all breath air.

Just go away and think about your statement above but adjust it slightly. 'we all breath the same air'
We also drink the same water, but with only a small selected areas that we can without processing the water for safe consumption. It's obviously not our planet.




Why have you chosen to ignore

3. The lungs of target air breathers are just the correct capacity to allow us to breathe steadily and even instinctively knows when to increase the rate we breathe at as we take exercise or do strenuous work and continues even when we sleep. FACT

4. Our lungs are just the correct capacity to transfer the oxygen to the blood and our blood is in the correct quantity to allow our hearts to provide all our organs with the correct levels of oxygen and so the atmosphere we breathe is perfect for us. Us being ALL the air breathing animals on this planet.

5. What do we have in common with all those air breathers? The answer is THIS PLANET and its atmosphere.

And this point based on your own logic

6. One of tooths stipulations for target food is that it is everywhere and easily gained with little effort. Our target air fulfils that requirement 100% with no need for supplements or additional types of air . No creature that breathes target air has to do anything more than breath and there it is.

Unlike you I have offered an argument. Given examples with facts but you have chosen to ignore them. Have you some aversion to anything that is not fantasy?


but the fact that other species have what appears to be designated food, and we don't proves we aren't from here.

You see you cannot claim a fact appears. A fact is a fact, end of. All you have proved is you don’t know how to use the word fact.


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posted on 23-8-2012 @ 06:51 AM this post reply to post by itsthetooth

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And pof course, according to your fantasy, none of those animals are from earth as nonen of them appear to have what you define as target food.

That aside.....You still haven't provided the proof of your threads statement. When do you intend to show how, if target food existed (it doesn't) it disproves evolution?

I'm seriously begining to think that you have no evidence.....If this level of statement were posted on one of the UFO pages, with the lack of evidence you have offered. The thread would be removed and you would be banned for posting purposfully misleading information....Where is the report button!


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None of which does any of this dissprove the possibility that there could be satisfactory air for us on other planets. It doesn't prove anything. Your unproven facts don't prove a single thing.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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And pf course, according to your fantasy, none of those animals are from earth as none of them appear to have what you define as target food, OR all food is target food.

That aside.....You still haven't provided the proof of your threads statement. When do you intend to show how, if target food existed (it doesn't) it disproves evolution?

I have another question for you. What is it about target food that you claim disproves evolution?

Is evolution disproved by an animal having target food, or by not having target food?

I'm seriously begining to think that you have no evidence.....If this level of statement were posted on one of the UFO pages, with the lack of evidence you have offered. The thread would be removed and you would be banned for posting purposfully misleading information....Where is the report button!

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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Get over what? The fact that your dishonest and try to claim that my links dont work when they do. Very sad.
More nonsense


So I take it your just going to ignore the documentation that proves it happened.
I see no documentation that PROVES it (whatever it is) happened.


How sad is that, someone that closed their mind off to history, and then makes up their own history.
Yes you are correct. You rejected everything that historians and archaeologists tell you in favour of fantasy.


I have no idea what your talking about.
Sonny, you have no idea what anyone is talking about.


On the contrary, target food became very much alive when evolution failed to explain how it is that an entire species knows how to eat the same food. Bad religion.
You cannot show any evidence, you lost. The consensus of those that can still be bothered to post here is that you lost. You are the only one here that has a religion so I guess you would know.


My claims are backed up with documented proof that we are not from here, and that our food is not here as well.
Really. Then you should have produced that proof when you had an audience. You should have produced it the many times you were asked.

You failed and so did your claim in your title. All you proved is that you have no proof. Get over it.


My claims are also backed up with science that shows us what a species eats.



Yours is backed up by hypothesis and unproven theories.
So you keep saying yet you still failed to prove it wrong. You failed before you began. No proof no argument. End of


How can I make up mythical food when its exactly what species are eating? Explain that
I have. Animals eat to gain energy to survive if they don’t they die.

They evolve to outperform the competition into specialist roles or they widen their diet to include many different sources. Normal people can understand that. You have to make some godly edict out of it.

I have the fossil record to back me. You claim that record is not reliable so you have .......... Nothing.


If evolution were just a word, then the best synonym I can think of is creator............ drivel .......... blar blar
Nope evolution is a word. It describes a natural (correct usage) process.

For over 150 years better able people than you have tried to disprove it and all have failed. You did not even scratch the paintwork



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Jesus Christ. Still?



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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All I'm saying is that we don't have our target food.
Nope. Your title says it can prove evolution wrong, You have shown it cannot. Not even close.


Target air doesn't seem to explain anything aside from the fact that we all breath air.

Just go away and think about your statement above but adjust it slightly. 'we all breath the same air'

We also drink the same water, but with only a small selected areas that we can without processing the water for safe consumption. It's obviously not our planet.
We have ALL evolved to breathe the same target air. We all breathe slower when at rest and faster when active. All our lungs provide the correct oxygen supply at both extremes. We all die within minutes if it is taken away.

Target food on the other hand seems to make no difference at all. Those you say are without it live just as well as those you say have it.

Which would you say is more important your mythic target food or the very real target air?


None of which does any of this dissprove the possibility that there could be satisfactory air for us on other planets. It doesn't prove anything. Your unproven facts don't prove a single thing.
As a science major you should know you can only come to a conclusion using the evidence at hand. This is why you cannot call any theory 100% proven.

You as a religious fundamentalist are happy to jump to conclusions with no evidence at all. You tried to feed me that crap and failed as that is definitely not my target food and never will be.

I see you have filled another page without supplying any evidence. No wonder you failed so epically.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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And pf course, according to your fantasy, none of those animals are from earth as none of them appear to have what you define as target food, OR all food is target food.
I never claimed that, did you fall behind? Some do, and some dont, but extinctions have caused some too.




That aside.....You still haven't provided the proof of your threads statement. When do you intend to show how, if target food existed (it doesn't) it disproves evolution?
Real simple, there is no way that all species could be pre programmed with the idea of what they are suppose to eat, without intelligence doing so.

If I worked at a restaruant and offered you a big mac, I would have to first have the pre conceived notion that big macs exist. There is no way that species are all guessing that the same food is ideal for them.




I have another question for you. What is it about target food that you claim disproves evolution?
A random process could not handle programming of diet without first knowing about said diet.

If evolution is real, then it is some form or intelligence, it has to be.




Is evolution disproved by an animal having target food, or by not having target food?
The ones that have target food disprove evolution without a doubt.




I'm seriously begining to think that you have no evidence.....If this level of statement were posted on one of the UFO pages, with the lack of evidence you have offered. The thread would be removed and you would be banned for posting purposfully misleading information....Where is the report button!
The fact that ANY one given species has the ability to eat a strict diet with no education, much less the means for education is proof.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Get over what? The fact that your dishonest and try to claim that my links dont work when they do. Very sad.

More nonsense
You have seriously tried every dirty rotten trick in the book to out debate me, and made yourself look like a total ass in the process. You first started by claiming that I wasn't answering your questions, and when I pointed out to you that you were in fact not even asking any questions or not using proper punctuation, you got pissy and tried to get the whole idea of people not having to look for punctuation as the norm.

Then when I wanted examples about species that we share relathionships with you came out with the house sparrow, and I explained to you that it actually has a relationship with the house not the person, and you still insist that the relationship is with the person even though you can't give any details on what that relationship is exactly.

You did the same this with wolves, claiming they are our friends and after I flooded the thread with dozens of examples from people actually getting attacked by wolves, and the fact that they are illegal to own, you still insist that you are correct.

Then you offered the example of the bee and our crops, and though they have a relationship with us, but again, they don't they havea relationship with the crops, but once again, you are bent on stretching the goal posts to fit your need.

Then I came out with target food. You offered to ignore it as it was a made up phrase, and after I offered countelss pages of definition repeated over and over, you refused to accept the definition I was giving as though you knew it was the only way you might look good in this part of the debate.

You have got to be the lowest of the low when it comes to people on ATS. You not only refuse to listen to reason, but you have also made a personal decision to ignore historical documents and replace those with your own personal version of what you claim to be evolution.

Species do not change into other species and its documented that way, and its never been proven otherwise. There is no proof that apes are our common ancestor, and ther never will be. There are however fanaticals such as yourself that make assumptions that macroevolution is just microevolution many times over, but still thats never been proven either. One thing is for sure, you sure are fast and current with making jokes, maybe you better stick to those as your not winning this debate, thats for sure.




I have. Animals eat to gain energy to survive if they don’t they die.
Which does nothing to explain why they all eat the same thing.




They evolve to outperform the competition into specialist roles or they widen their diet to include many different sources. Normal people can understand that. You have to make some godly edict out of it.
There has never been any proof of anything evolving.




I have the fossil record to back me. You claim that record is not reliable so you have .......... Nothing.
Your fossil record doesn't prove relation, but I'll bet you have stretched those goal posts.




Nope evolution is a word. It describes a natural (correct usage) process.

For over 150 years better able people than you have tried to disprove it and all have failed. You did not even scratch the paintwork
I busted it wide open, there is no way that evolution can exist without explaining how it is a species knows what its supposed to eat, and in fact eats only that. Intelligence is involved somewhere.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by itsthetooth
Which does nothing to explain why they all eat the same thing.


They don't. Even the anteater eats other bugs. It will eat whatever gives it energy. It has adapted and developed traits that make it more apt to survive by eating a diet of primarily ants. If ants were to disappear, it would shift to eating other bugs or plants, and its genes would shift toward those anteaters more able to eat a different diet. Those that could only eat ants would die, thus removing the genes from the gene pool.

Before you say something completely retarded, let me remind you that 97% of the species on this planet have gone extinct. That means they all died, for one reason or another. Many times, if a species becomes too specialized (in your words, if it has a single target food), then a shift in the food source will kill the entire species.

Humans are a scavenger/hunter/gatherer species. We can eat almost anything because we are adapted to be able to utilize almost every food source. Target food is just a made up requirement for a species that you can't let go of.



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They don't. Even the anteater eats other bugs. It will eat whatever gives it energy.
Where did you get that from? They eat a diet of ants and termites...

[exFeedingAnteaters are specialized to feed on ants and termites, each anteater species having its own insect preferences: small species are specialized on arboreal insects living on small branches, while large species can penetrate the hard covering of the nests of terrestrial insects. To avoid the jaws, sting, and other defences of the invertebrates, anteaters have adopted the feeding strategy to lick up as many ants and termites as quickly as possible — an anteater normally spends about a minute at a nest before moving on to another — and a giant anteater has to visit up to 200 nests to consume the thousands of insects it needs to satisfy its caloric requirements. [6]

The anteater's tongue is covered with thousands of tiny hooks called filiform papillae which are used to hold the insects together with large amounts of saliva. Swallowing and the movement of the tongue are aided by side-to-side movements of the jaws. The anteater's stomach, similarly to a bird's gizzard, has hardened folds and uses strong contractions to grind the insects; a digestive process assisted by small amounts of ingested sand and dirt. [6] The tongue is attached to the sternum and moves very quickly, flicking 150 times per minute.

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Anteater

As you can see not only is there nothing in here about anteaters trying different things for energy, but they also specifically tell you what he does eat, he eats ants and termites. Thats it.




It has adapted and developed traits that make it more apt to survive by eating a diet of primarily ants. If ants were to disappear, it would shift to eating other bugs or plants, and its genes would shift toward those anteaters more able to eat a different diet. Those that could only eat ants would die, thus removing the genes from the gene pool.
Thats a pretty big what if what if without any proof.




Before you say something completely retarded, let me remind you that 97% of the species on this planet have gone extinct. That means they all died, for one reason or another.
Well they were either eaten or it looks like they couldn't find food doesn't it? So that blows you theory about them just eating what ever they could find.




Many times, if a species becomes too specialized (in your words, if it has a single target food), then a shift in the food source will kill the entire species.
So now your saying the opposite, your now saying that if they lose their target food they die.




Humans are a scavenger/hunter/gatherer species. We can eat almost anything because we are adapted to be able to utilize almost every food source. Target food is just a made up requirement for a species that you can't let go of.
First of all there is no way that ANY species could be naturally equipped to eat the diverse amount of food like we do. It only happens because we use our adaptability to do so. You will NEVER see any other species go through the complex stages of preparing food like we do. Again its just because of OUR ability to adapt. Adapting is not natural. Adapting means things didn't work out for us naturally so we had to afix a work around to the situation. If the event were natural we woudln't have to adapt. The anteater hunting and eating ants and termites is natural.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 04:12 AM
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No, you're putting the cart before the horse again. We can't just "eat whatever" is set before us and live, our bodies have specific chemical needs and have evolved to subsist on a certain diet to get the nutrients we need. We adapt to our environment, there isn't some mystical hand adapting the environment to our needs. In fact if there WERE such a force why on Earth would we have to change the planet as much as we did to be as successful as we are today? If God is setting up Earth as a sanctuary for us than why did we need better irrigation techniques, better farming and the use of artificial selection to make plants and animals more useful to us?

This isn't the Truman Show on a planetary scale.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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You have seriously tried every dirty rotten trick in the book to out debate me,


1. Questions about your claims.
2. Asking for evidence to back up those claims
3. No accepting undefined, made up nonsense terms
4. Not accepting your misuse of words like redundant
5. Not accepting your opinions and assumptions in place of evidence
6. Pointing out your dishonesty
7. Refuting what you claim evolution is or what it explains

If the above is what you call dirty tricks. Then yes. Guilty as charged.


and made yourself look like a total ass in the process.
That is your opinion and as usual you have nothing to back that claim up



You first started by claiming that I wasn't answering your questions
Not just me. Everyone that has entered this thread has made the same charge.


and when I pointed out to you that you were in fact not even asking any questions or not using proper punctuation, you got pissy and tried to get the whole idea of people not having to look for punctuation as the norm.
The standard of most of your posts from spelling to punctuation and many times poorly constructed answers with no signs of proof reading at all. The fact you don’t understand many of the words you misuse. Your statement above is just an empty hissy fit. Get over it.


Then when I wanted examples about species that we share relathionships with you came out with the house sparrow, and I explained to you that it actually has a relationship with the house not the person, and you still insist that the relationship is with the person even though you can't give any details on what that relationship is exactly.
Which confirms my last statement that you do not have the education to understand what a relationship is and is not. You were clearly beaten on this point and have been beaten many times since. Get over it.


You did the same this with wolves, claiming they are our friends and after I flooded the thread with dozens of examples from people actually getting attacked by wolves, and the fact that they are illegal to own, you still insist that you are correct.
I supplied you with pages of evidence that shows we have had a long standing relationship that dates back into ancient history with the wolf and that relationship carry's on to this day via the dog, a sub species of the Gray Wolf.

I never mentioned once that wolves are friends again showing you have no idea what relationship means or what constitutes one. You were slaughtered on this point regarding wolves. Take a breath and get over it.


Then you offered the example of the bee and our crops, and though they have a relationship with us, but again, they don't they havea relationship with the crops, but once again, you are bent on stretching the goal posts to fit your need.
You again showcase you have no idea what a relationship is. Our crops provide a large food source for the bee in one place. The bee's actions pollinate our crops thus increasing the yield. That is a relationship. End of.
BTW you should proof read what you write.


Then I came out with target food. You offered to ignore it as it was a made up phrase
Your inability to even show it exists on this thread proves me right again then. I am doing well



and after I offered countelss pages of definition repeated over and over, you refused to accept the definition I was giving as though you knew it was the only way you might look good in this part of the debate.
You provided no such thing. You still have not. My points showing a recap with all the contradictions that you cannot answer is proof of that. Of course you could prove me wrong and supply that definition now



You have got to be ................................. What followed was an insult that could get you banned



You not only refuse to listen to reason, but you have also made a personal decision to ignore historical documents and replace those with your own personal version of what you claim to be evolution.
I offered you a chance to debate your use of the bible as 'a clear historical document' You declined that offer. I showed you cherry picked what you said proved it and again you refused to explain. You lost. Suck it in and wipe your eye's



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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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There is no proof that apes are our common ancestor, and ther never will be.
Of course there isn’t. We share a common ancestor with all apes and you have been told this almost daily and still cannot grasp it. This illustrates you either do not have the ability to comprehend or you are wilfully ignoring that information.

I have never asked you to accept evolution but after all this time. After all the posts from others and myself I do expect you to understand what it explains Tragic



There are however fanaticals such as yourself that make assumptions that macroevolution is just microevolution many times over, but still thats never been proven either.
More terms whose meanings you should be aware of but show no understanding of at all.


One thing is for sure, you sure are fast and current with making jokes, maybe you better stick to those as your not winning this debate, thats for sure.
Really
Your hissy fit indicates otherwise.



I have. Animals eat to gain energy to survive if they don’t they die

Which does nothing to explain why they all eat the same thing.
They don’t and I linked you to a science paper that went into great detail showing that. You ignored it and just offered a snide comment as a reply.


There has never been any proof of anything evolving.
Your denial is foremost in all your replies and is why you still think the ape is our common ancestor.


Your fossil record doesn't prove relation, but I'll bet you have stretched those goal posts.
So you claim. Forgive me if I rely on what the expert’s show, with evidence to back them up


I busted it wide open, there is no way that evolution can exist without explaining how it is a species knows what its supposed to eat, and in fact eats only that.
And now we see your other reoccurring theme, fantasy. Now show the process that provides food we are supposed to eat.


Intelligence is involved somewhere.
Not in your posts Sonny Jim. Not in your posts.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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No, you're putting the cart before the horse again. We can't just "eat whatever" is set before us and live, our bodies have specific chemical needs and have evolved to subsist on a certain diet to get the nutrients we need.
Of course we had to adopt an entire process of first testing ourselves to figure out what exactly was missing from our diets, then we had to test the food to figure out what it is that it offers. There is no crystal ball in this research which is why I'm dead set on claiming that Target food is real amongst all other life excluding humans.

You do understand of course that target food is suppose to exist amongst humans as well its just that our target food is not here.




We adapt to our environment, there isn't some mystical hand adapting the environment to our needs.
Of course we adapt. Adapting is not a natural process...


nat·u·ral/ˈnaCHərəl/Adjective: Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.


Noun: A person regarded as having an innate gift or talent for a particular task or activity.


Adverb: Naturally: "keep walking—just act natural".


natural

Anytime you have to adapt to make something work its because it wasn't supposed to naturally work for you. Had we of evolved, we also wouldnt of had to adapt. But evolution is obviously failing us when we need to adapt.




In fact if there WERE such a force why on Earth would we have to change the planet as much as we did to be as successful as we are today? If God is setting up Earth as a sanctuary for us than why did we need better irrigation techniques, better farming and the use of artificial selection to make plants and animals more useful to us?

This isn't the Truman Show on a planetary scale
We have to change the planet so much because its not our planet. I guess your missing the obvious. It's not natural when we have to change the planet. If this planet was intended for us everything would just suit our needs, not force us to make it suit our needs. Look at the anteater, does he go though what we go though? No he doesn't, he's in his element, We are not.

The reason why animals just eat whatever and humans don't is because our target food is not present, here. The fact that you can identify a diet with animals and it always matched throughout the species is proof that there is some sort of programming that tells the species what to eat. Now this would have to be intelligent programming because a species couldn't be told to eat say, ants, unless ants were in existence. There is no way it can happen without intelligence. One person on this thread actually believes that all species just eats whatever but if that were the case we would see species just eating everything in sight, which is false.




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