'End of capitalism': Bolivia to expel Coca-Cola in wake of 2012 Mayan 'apocalypse'

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by Amarri
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Sprite is made by the Coca-Cola Company...

But is it all coca cola products or just coke.... The fate of humanity just might lay in this decision ...

Don't fret, they'll find another country to dessimate and poison. Your beverages will not change, just a shift in damage from one country to another

You're kidding right? Do you honestly believe that there is a country in the world that doesn't have Coke?

I guess no one read the article because they aren't banning the Coca Cola Company from Bolivia either. It was just the foreign minister saying he wished they would.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

This is some fascinating political posturing. The Mayan calender? Seriously?

I'm not sure his angle, other than local politics and anti-american sentiment.

Right, they shouldn't have any aspirations of their own now should they? How dare they.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

I find it very odd that an official government spokesperson makes references to an American new age mythology, instead of listing the myriad valid compalins with coca cola's business practices.

Maybe because their intent isn’t worded to your ‘ideal’ of what should be said – instead they are using a polite way that does not ruffle feathers so much.

Further, since he did say ‘end of capitalism’ that kind of sums it up nicely IMO. The mention of ties to paramilitary and killings is not surprising since a derivative of coc aine is still used as a flavoring agent in Coke and one has to wonder about Cokes involvement with either big pharma and/or coca farmers. That would be the capitalism they may be trying to stem. Read below about how the plant material is obtained to make lidocaine, Novocain, xylocaine and whatever other ‘caines’ and derivatives of the coca plant.

The company reduced the amount of coc aine in its beverage but could not remove it entirely, since their trademark rested on the fact that it was part of the beverage. In 1913, the company came up with a compromise: it tried to eliminate the active ingredient in coc aine by replacing it with "spent coca leaves," which are still used today for flavoring.

A short guide on coca cola

In the U.S.A.'s legislation, coca leaves are specifically mention, with a DEA number, in the list of controled substances :

Schedule II

Coca Leaves
DEA number : 9040
Schedule : II
Narc : Y

Yet a disposition similar to that of the U.N. Single Convention, regarding coca leaves as a flavouring agent, is also found within the United State's Food and Drug Administration rulings. This slightly odd tolerance was most likely tailor made for the Coca-Cola company...

Coca leaves are thus regulated worldwide by the 1961 U.N. Single Convention, yet decocainized leaves still have a special mention and status, at least in the politically influential U.S.A. which was behind the establishment of this U.N. convention...Interestingly enough, and despite this disposition, the actual taste and flavour of coca leaves have found little culinary uses outside the soft-drink industry.
This "decocainization" itself is very blurry notion,for a number of reasons.. "coc aine" and "egconine" for instance, are not the only active alkaloid in the coca leaf spectrum...
Yet "decocainized" leaves, non psychoactive are considered a flavouring agent and allowed special FDA ( hence D.E.A. disposition, for the supervision of importation) authorizations such as the Coca-Cola company's, or, more recently, the new Redbull cola.

Legal status of coca

Coca-Cola replaced unprocessed coca leaves with "spent" coca leaves, which have gone through a coc aine extraction process, and served only to flavor the beverage.[5] These changes were in response to increasing pressure from the Food and Drug Administration, which was carrying on a campaign against harmful food ingredients and misleading claims, under the direction of Harvey Washington Wiley.[5] The coca leaves are imported from Peru, and they are treated by US chemical company Stepan, which then sells the de-cocainized residue to Coca-Cola

Coca-Cola Wikipedia.com

This combined with the other mentioned issues with water and of course trying to bolster their own economy seems to be good thinking on their part. I’m sure if USA said no to all the Chinese imports many would cheer because they would believe it to be good for their country and not give a dam about the others. Raising the ‘anti-Americanism’ flag is just, as others have suggested, a ploy to make anyone not in agreement seem unpatriotic. (ala Your either with us or your a terrorist) Now THAT is anti-Americanism – bashing other Americans because their ideals do not align perfectly with yours. It is our company in their country taking their money and resources. My money says they (Bolivians) may want to back out of a criminal element while at the same time create some wealth of their own.

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Sun Tzu was indeed right. Pepsi does rule the world. It is to bad that water did not have more taste.

I WILL PEER INTO MY CRYSTAL BALL....

I see the future.....

I see jackels.....

I see economic hit men....

I see private jets malunctioning in mid air....

I see funding of new leaders and parties that are pro west and will take bribs....

I SEE THE FUTURE

If we used this and the iceland revolution as a basis for running our countries I would die a happy man. Hopefully this is the start of a long purge much needed in South America and the rest of the world.

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Ummmm....You do realize that Coca Cola might as well be labeled as toxic waste, right? It has been proven that it contains carcinogens (such as the ingredient Caramel Colour), and not only that, but once it gives you the cancer, it's been proven that tumours love fructose. So not only does it give you the tumour, but then it makes the tumour grow faster. How could Bolivia banning Coca Cola ever be a bad thing? Looks to me like you need to do a lil more research before jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

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Coca-Cola replaced unprocessed coca leaves with "spent" coca leaves, which have gone through a coc aine extraction process, and served only to flavor the beverage.[5] These changes were in response to increasing pressure from the Food and Drug Administration, which was carrying on a campaign against harmful food ingredients and misleading claims, under the direction of Harvey Washington Wiley.[5] The coca leaves are imported from Peru, and they are treated by US chemical company Stepan, which then sells the de-cocainized residue to Coca-Cola

What I'd like to know is what happens to the base coc aine after it is extracted from the leaf.
It appears to me that Coke sells the crap to the poor and the good part to the rich.

Way to go bolivians, notice Bolivia is also the only country in the world where McDonald's failed BIG TIME.

Fast-food represents the complete opposite of what Bolivians consider a meal should be. To be a good meal, food has to have be prepared with love, dedication, certain hygiene standards and proper cook time.

www.treehugger.com...

It all eats away at your stomach lining and teeth enamel anyway...i say ban it all and replace it with something else more ......healthy.

well done Bolivia.
coke a cola is evil and All the others.
and they have put me down as a terroist for saying this.

um? why is America bombing Bolivia?

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What I'd like to know is what happens to the base coc aine after it is extracted from the leaf. It appears to me that Coke sells the crap to the poor and the good part to the rich.

I was just thinking the same thing. I find it hard to believe that they just dump it in the garbage. This is an interesting angle that would be worth investigating.

Sounds like something Bolivia would do. They are in a constant state of flux ... the gov't completely changes every few years AND they are very anti-American at this point in time. Nice people ... strange government. Side note - if you ever visit Bolivia prepare to drink a heck of a lot of orange soda. The water will make you sick and the only 'healthy' thing to drink when we were there were the bottles of orange soda OR the coffee made with boiled milk.

Originally posted by Trueman
Way to go bolivians, notice Bolivia is also the only country in the world where McDonald's failed BIG TIME.

Fast-food represents the complete opposite of what Bolivians consider a meal should be. To be a good meal, food has to have be prepared with love, dedication, certain hygiene standards and proper cook time.

www.treehugger.com...

It failed in Bolivia ... not because they are big on hygiene or proper cooking or whatever .. it failed because Bolivia is the poorest country in the Western world. The majority of people there simply can't afford McDonalds food enough to keep McDonalds in business. The food that they have goes to people and isn't used as animal feed to make the burgers.

The economy of Bolivia is different as well. Everything is a 'payoff' or a 'family connection'. If you want anything done, you 'tip' people to get it done (bribe) .. and I mean anything.

Originally posted by lucid eyes
Not a day goes by without some feeble-minded socialist offering yet another serving of their delusional lose-lose philosophy. "Lets ban coke and await the mayan enlightenment".

I don't think you understood what he's said.

He doesn't believe in the end of the world BS about the Mayan Calendar like so many on here seem to. He's marking that day - which is now a globally known date - as something else.

Personally I support it.

Originally posted by r2d246
I WILL PEER INTO MY CRYSTAL BALL....

I see a continued economic collapse.

I see increasing protests.

I see corporations pressuring government for protection.

I see militarized police opening fire.

I see private jets falling, yachts sinking, mansions burning.

I see the people stripping away the veneer of "democracy" and revealing a corporate puppeteer - to be exterminated.

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Sorry I have to laugh,....... American's are p....d off about companies going abroad , because there are no jobs.

But if a Country tells an American company to leave,.... It's anti - American ?

Capitalism would be fine if there was a limit to individual wealth, say £200,000,000. Some people have more money than whole countries. How is that right.?

Perhaps 12/21/12 is when we put a cap on wealth, or realise most of us want to be rich just like them , and thats why we don't want to change TPTB.

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I also see corporate masters Rothschild and Monarchy using tactical nukes and biological weapons to whack the opposition.

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What does being rich have to do with changing TPTB, we can get rid of them and ALL be rich, certainly do NOT need anyones permission or help.

This December 21,2012 is a very real thing for Bolivians, i know some, and i am going there in late November too visit many of the amazing ruins they have.

These people are rising from the ashes, and getting out from under the abuse that has been tearing away at the true callings they have, too be Leaders.

And the Bolivians i know, have known about this date for aloooong time, this is NOT some new age Hippy thing LOL.

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Finger's crossed, but i'll believe it when i see it.

Could just be his way of haggling for a better financial deal from Cola.

reply to post by Murad


Your post confused me. The guy sounds like he's doing some great things for Bolivia (such as helping to eliminate poverty, and making sure their finance stays within their borders - not sending it all to Wall Street). At first it seems like you're singing his praises...

Then you appear to criticise him as a 'typical socialist'.

You do realise that no political system or philosophical approach to the management of a nation is perfect don't you?

Socialism has its failings, but so does the sometime farcical charade/ puppet show known as 'democracy', as applied in the UK and US.

Are you in support of the Bolivian approach, or against it? What do Bolivians think?