'End of capitalism': Bolivia to expel Coca-Cola in wake of 2012 Mayan 'apocalypse'

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
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I would imagine there is a lot more context to this if we actually lived in bolivia.

Any ATSers in bolivia want to chime in?


There are a couple documentaries on water supply that would give some context to how large corporations operate in other countries and the effects of their processing facilities on the water supply.

www.imdb.com...

www.imdb.com...

www.pbs.org...

www.runningdry.org...

Mind you, most of these are 5 years old at least now. But they are worth a watch. Not to say that things haven't changed since then in many places, but still very relevant.

Disclaimer: I'm not a hippie treehugger or the like, in fact I am a fan of business, industry and technology. Although, that doesn't make me completely ignorant to the tolls we take on the world to live within our modern means.

I just accept the fact that we are a plague on the Earth...




posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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I wasnt referring to the part about kicking coca cola out. I understand the business practices of coke and why they are unpopular in different regions.

I was referring to him making direct and explicit reference to the sort of American pop narrative of the 2012 'end date', and that after said date humans will awaken into some sort of spiritual higher plane.

I'm actually rather surprised because i didnt think Bolivians subscribed to such rather American(argueles, McKenna) ideas. But perhaps they are more popular there than I realized.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
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I was referring to him making direct and explicit reference to the sort of American pop narrative of the 2012 'end date', and that after said date humans will awaken into some sort of spiritual higher plane.

I'm actually rather surprised because i didnt think Bolivians subscribed to such rather American(argueles, McKenna) ideas. But perhaps they are more popular there than I realized.


Yes, you're correct. While the pop-culture Mayan beliefs are prevalent among Americans, I imagine the general populace in some South American countries are no different. Given that the correct beliefs regarding the Mayans are only known by a handful of people even in those countries.

Essentially, there are idiots everywhere.

Seems like a nifty marketing campaign too, wonder if he invested in the peachy drink?


“The twenty-first of December 2012 is the end of selfishness, of division. The twenty-first of December has to be the end of Coca-Cola and the beginning of mocochinche (a local peach-flavored soft drink),”


www.forbes.com...



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by boncho


Seems like a nifty marketing campaign too, wonder if he invested in the peachy drink?


“The twenty-first of December 2012 is the end of selfishness, of division. The twenty-first of December has to be the end of Coca-Cola and the beginning of mocochinche (a local peach-flavored soft drink),”


www.forbes.com...


Yes, as previously pointed out, that is a government-owned company. So he probably does have a vested interest.

I'd love a bolivians take on the 2012 issue. And I'm sure you're right that their idiots are no less discerning than hours.

En Lakesh



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:19 PM
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I'd say it's about time! They have my support, i've stopped drinking all pops and this inspires me to continue.
I don't care what the reasoning is, it's gotta happen sometime, what better time then now.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Ah yes. Big fail on my reading comprehension in this thread.



Okay, well if anyone missed any of the points the first time they will get it in our dialogue. And a few extra things as well.

Cheers.




posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Doomsday prophecy prejudice aside, High Fructose Corn Syrup will kill you. It is one of the leading causes of diabetes in the United States today. But hey who cares, as long as the Pharmaceutical companies get more type 2 diabetics needing scripts, right?



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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AND

Pepsi rules the world

The End

Seriously though that's an interesting perspective./ This should be a good thread.

neither one is worth a dime unless it comes out of glass. Ice cold.
I am staying out of the Crapitalist/Socialist part of it
I am tired of not making a profit though



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Doomsday prophecy prejudice aside, High Fructose Corn Syrup will kill you. It is one of the leading causes of diabetes in the United States today. But hey who cares, as long as the Pharmaceutical companies get more type 2 diabetics needing scripts, right?


Actually, coca cola is only made with HFCS in the States, I believe, because its cheaper than sugar due to corn subsidies.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

I'm not sure his angle, other than local politics and anti-american sentiment.


Oh come on, seriously? The destruction that large corporations have reaped on these South American countries is beyond disgusting and I, for one, applaud their efforts in putting a stop to it.

Anti-American sentiment? Are you smoking crack or something? Why is it that even indirect criticism of anything to do with America is automatically labelled "Anti-American"? It's complete and utter hogwash and nonsense that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

Is it too much to ask for some simple common sense these days?



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by stanguilles7

I'm not sure his angle, other than local politics and anti-american sentiment.


Oh come on, seriously? The destruction that large corporations have reaped on these South American countries is beyond disgusting and I, for one, applaud their efforts in putting a stop to it.


Reading comprehension is your friend.Dont be afraid.

AGAIN, no, I said "Angle", as in political reasoning. And I'm referring to his stated reasoning for doing so, having to do with the 'mayan apocalypse', not the fact that they are going after Coca-Cola. (And if you think the bolivian government is going after Coca-Cola for their destructive business practices, and not because they want to corner the market for their own state-produced 'Coca-Colla", then you are naive as all get out, in addition to being unable to read an OP properly)

You see, he made no mention of kicking Coke out for shady business practices. He only said it was because Dec. 21, 2012 will be the 'end of capitalism'. Your filling in your own reasoning where none was actually given.




Anti-American sentiment? Are you smoking crack or something? Why is it that even indirect criticism of anything to do with America is automatically labelled "Anti-American"? It's complete and utter hogwash and nonsense that has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.


Did you steal my crack?

Oh, this:



What the minister failed to mention, however, is the Bolivian government's other drink of choice -- a fizzy energy drink called "Coca-Colla" -- was given the stamp of approval by Bolivian president Evo Morales.
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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He's just using the Mayan apocalypse scenario as a marketing ploy to get his voice heard. There is no other motivation than that, and certainly no "Anti-Americanism" either.

Your words, not mine.
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties
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He's just using the Mayan apocalypse scenario as a marketing ploy to get his voice heard. There is no other motivation than that,



So why doesnt he actually mention any of the reasons you are giving?

You're pretending I dont understand the reasons against Coca Cola. But what I have actually stated is my curiosity at him referencing an american pop phenomena like the '2012' date, not the surprise at why anyone would have a problem with coke. You are ignoring what I am actually stating in favor of injecting your own misguided perspective.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
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Ah yes. Big fail on my reading comprehension in this thread.



Okay, well if anyone missed any of the points the first time they will get it in our dialogue. And a few extra things as well.

Cheers.



It's okay. Kryties is making the same mistake now, but he's not as willing to admit error as you.

See you at the likker store!



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7
So why doesnt he actually mention any of the reasons you are giving?


He probably didn't think he had to. He probably wasn't expecting some conspiracy nutters to come along and take his words completely out of context.

There could be ANY NUMBER of reasons.


But what I have actually stated is my curiosity at him referencing an american pop phenomena like the '2012' date, not the surprise at why anyone would have a problem with coke. You are ignoring what I am actually stating in favor of injecting your own misguided perspective.


Hate to burst your little bubble mate, but the Mayan 2012 thing is not soley American.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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The phenomenon has penetrated global pop culture. I recently returned from South China and many business associates there kept telling me, "Wow, looks like you guys are in trouble at the end of the year." This is one way I learned the phrase "ma fan" - putuonghua (Mandarin) for "big trouble". They found it amusing, but they also only think that because they see their own nation on the rise and therefore think it's the U.S. that's in decline.

They have this idea over there still of the "Mandate of Heaven" which is basically that when a government ceases to be legitimate, the Universe brings about its demise.

I can say that by contrast, the Chinese that I met - rich, middle class & poor - are almost universally more positive than people I see in the States. There's very little complaining.

Bolivians may know something we don't, since the other dimension of my trip had to do with identifying corporate triangulations between China and South America... Bolivia included.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by stanguilles7
So why doesnt he actually mention any of the reasons you are giving?


He probably didn't think he had to. He probably wasn't expecting some conspiracy nutters to come along and take his words completely out of context.


Out of context?:

His words:

“December 21 of 2012 will be the end of egoism and division. December 21 should be the end of Coca-Cola,” Bolivian foreign minister David Choquehuanca decreed.

Now, defend your assertion, and explain how I have taken it 'out of context',





Hate to burst your little bubble mate, but the Mayan 2012 thing is not soley American.


No, it isn't. But it was spread by two American authors (argules and McKenna), and has its roots in pop-american new age culture.

You are clearly out of your depth, and this is a very, very shallow topic.

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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You lost me when you started crapping on about "Anti-Americanism" in whatever context.

Everything after that is nonsense to me.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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You said I was taking the minister's statement's 'out of context'.




He probably wasn't expecting some conspiracy nutters to come along and take his words completely out of context.


You failed to uphold that claim when I supplied you with the quote.

Which is likely why you ignore that point entirely, and rely heavy on the Ad Homs. (nutters, smoke crack, etc)

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

I'm not sure his angle, other than local politics and anti-american sentiment.


Your words, not mine.

I am sick to death of whinging Americans and there "America-hater" cries. Americans cannot take criticism, period. They mistake criticism for "Anti-Americanism" because they have been indoctrinated to believe so. Every time I hear a whinging American crapping on about "Anti-Americanism" I vomit a little in my mouth then don't bother taking anything else they say seriously.





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