Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by stanguilles7

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Jim DeMint, one of Cruz's biggest GOP supporters voted for NDAA, as just one small example.

Some of them have strayed…no doubt. You’d rather bag on TTP as a whole than work to fix it though, so you have no credibility.

TTP is doing more for conservatives than any other group. They’re being proactive and trying to fix the problems in our country. What’s your plan?? Should we cry like babies, break windows and hold signs like the Occupy movement? How much have they accomplished? Should we abandon TTP because DeMint is a fraud??

You seem to be pleased with the RINO's in the GOP so there’s not much more I can say. Obviously you're not a conservative and obviously you want the status quo because you're bagging on the only group accomplishing anything.

I'm merely pointing out to you that your premise that this represents any sort of sea change within the GOP is simply not true. Now your carrying on trying to make my critique a partisan one, to avoid the simple truth behind the various figures ive provided. Jim DeMint is big government. Dick Army is 'Big Government'. Your either intentionally perpetuating, or unintentionally parroting a false narrative.

I'm 'pleased' with them even though every post of mine in this thread has been critical of them and their tactics?

Your reasoning is severely flawed.

lol, Ted Cruz won because of Ron Paul, plain and simple.

It was Ron Paul who endorsed Cruz during his Texas campus tours, called his entire grassroots movement to show support. It was Ron Paul forces who threw Cruz a money bomb and provided ground support for the actual campaign. It was Ron Paul that drew the tea party to Cruz through himself and his son Rand. The Tea Party endorsements soon followed, of course.

Its cool though Seabag, I don't expect you to ever give Ron Paul any credit, just like the MSM, which has been consistently giving credit to the success of Cruz, to Sarah Palin.

No seriously, I really don't expect it from you but you still had to be corrected.

And for the record, Seabag is right, Ted Cruz and Kurt Bills both won in their perspective states with Ron Paul endorsing them first and giving them the spotlight vs the establishment endorsed establishment candidates which lost. Both Cruz and Bills' establishment opponents were even endorsed by Governor Rick Perry and lost by large margins.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by stanguilles7

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I'm merely pointing out to you that your premise that this represents any sort of sea change within the GOP is simply not true. Now your carrying on trying to make my critique a partisan one, to avoid the simple truth behind the various figures ive provided. Jim DeMint is big government. Dick Army is 'Big Government'. Your either intentionally perpetuating, or unintentionally parroting a false narrative.

Of course it represents change in the GOP! You’re being silly. Just because a few call themselves Tea Party but haven‘t lived up to TP expectations doesn’t mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater.

“47 of the 66 members of the House Tea Party Caucus” also supported the bill,

The Tea Party is the PEOPLE…you’re talking about ONE representative and ONE guy who runs a PAC.

CISPA Passes The House With Tea Party Support

My reasoning is fine. You bash the Tea Party which happens to be the only movement currently challenging the GOP establishment and the left.

That would lead me to believe you don’t want any change in the establishment.

It’s not that TTP isn’t effective it’s that you don’t like what they stand for, hence the constant attacks.

I see. So you dont mind many, many of them voting for MORE government regulation of the internet?

You are clinging to a lie. Dont attack me. Critique the info I am giving you.

The Tea Party Movement is nothing more than an astroturf organization supported by the rich white Koch brothers who want to cut taxes for more rich white brothers, all the while convincing real life middle class people that their freedoms are being taken away by a black man in the white house. All the while, the tea party folks will take more from their constituents.

Then they made a mistake with the Texas Tea Party. The Tea Party here is full of social conservatives. They love laws that limit the freedom of others if people are acting in a manner that's in disagreement with their religious beliefs.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by stanguilles7

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I see. So you dont mind many, many of them voting for MORE government regulation of the internet?

You are clinging to a lie. Dont attack me. Critique the info I am giving you.

Of course I mind. Please tell me the alternative, sir. I’ve asked several times.

It is not just one guy but hey, if you can list all the TEA Party candidates that did live up to the TEA Party expectations I feel we can have a grand old time tearing through that little pile.