New TV channel run exclusively by fully veiled women

Just saw this today on the news. I thought it was good for the women in the ME but also thought it was hilarious upto certain extent. The only thing you cannot tell for sure as per who is behind the veil delivering the message (could be someone important or not so important or dangerous). A 'Hidden Agenda or Propoganda' can be delivered without having to worry about local/opposition/international reactions aimed at a specific individual.

Maria, the first channel of its kind anywhere, kicked off with the Muslim holy month of Ramadan on July 20. Until it gets more funding and staff, it's a daily four-hour broadcast on its mother channel, Al-Omma, an independent channel seen in the Middle East.

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Your comments/thoughts/opinions/viewpoints/ please.

Opinions?

Savage and barbaric. Forcing women to wear veils because the men are so insecure is pretty indicative of the culture. My time spend vacationing in Eqypt and Morroco were quite eye opening, as my wife was openly molested in the streets and i barely avoided a physical confrontation defending her.

Originally posted by nightbringr
Opinions?

Savage and barbaric. Forcing women to wear veils because the men are so insecure is pretty indicative of the culture. My time spend vacationing in Eqypt and Morroco were quite eye opening, as my wife was openly molested in the streets and i barely avoided a physical confrontation defending her.

I'm not quite sure they are all being forced.

my wife was openly molested

I'm sad to hear that, must have been a very unpleasant moment.
But since they are very conservative Countries, I have to ask, was your wife dressed in a provocative way ?
Just asking, and I'm not saying they were right even if she was.

I am disappointed that these women fuel their own slavery. I am actually more disappointed that religion is still subjugating people and their minds under the guise of "freedom"

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Who again is 'forcing' these women into a hijab?

Who again ,is making them, slaves? Have any of you ever met Muslim women? Spent any time in Muslim communities?

If you did, you'd know that they do it culturally and are HAPPY to do so. Just because WE think it's oppressive doesn't mean it is. I'm not saying that I agree with their culturalistic view of women, but I'm certainly not going to go on some diatribe accusing all Muslim men of being slave drivers and oppressionists.

That's a very very narrow minded view of 1.57 billion people and is mysandrist to the extreme.

~Tenth

Originally posted by nightbringr
Opinions?

Savage and barbaric. Forcing women to wear veils because the men are so insecure is pretty indicative of the culture. My time spend vacationing in Eqypt and Morroco were quite eye opening, as my wife was openly molested in the streets and i barely avoided a physical confrontation defending her.

I am sorry about you and your wife having such a terrible experience but I cannot agree with your statement. Not that I condone any actions such as the ones you experienced but I do feel that attempting to view cultures from their viewpoint is lacking in today's society.

Originally posted by samsamm9
I'm not quite sure they are all being forced.

I can agree there. Some, if not many will do it willingly. But why? When i ask about the burqa and its significance in Islam, im told time and time again its not Islam, its the culture. So what drove them to first don these items? And why in some countries do women face physical abuse or arrest if they do not wear them?

Originally posted by samsamm9
I'm sad to hear that, must have been a very unpleasant moment.
But since they are very conservative Countries, I have to ask, was your wife dressed in a provocative way ?
Just asking, and I'm not saying they were right even if she was.

Fair question. When we landed in Cairo, we were asked kindly by our tour guide to dress conservatively. My blonde wife wore long shorts, a full shirt but did not cover her long hair. The minute we took to the streets we were met by glares everywhere we went. One man tried to grab her hips, and i shooed him away. Another man close by who understood english explained to us that the man thought she had good "child bearing hips". My wife is a person, not a baby machine. This only got worse. We were spit at, and at that time we decided it was best to go back to the hotel before our tour of the pyramids next day.

I will never return to this country, and fear for women, christians and minorities even more now that the Muslim Brotherhood has taken over.

their porn channel could be a good laugh
coor look at those sexy toes !

Originally posted by fenceSitter

Originally posted by nightbringr
Opinions?

Savage and barbaric. Forcing women to wear veils because the men are so insecure is pretty indicative of the culture. My time spend vacationing in Eqypt and Morroco were quite eye opening, as my wife was openly molested in the streets and i barely avoided a physical confrontation defending her.

I am sorry about you and your wife having such a terrible experience but I cannot agree with your statement. Not that I condone any actions such as the ones you experienced but I do feel that attempting to view cultures from their viewpoint is lacking in today's society.

And of course your picture is meant to show how loose and deserving of rape women in the West are? No, im sure its meant to show cultural differences and differences of opinion, but the imporant distinction here is that women in the West at least have CHOICE.

Yeah..................

Ps. And of course i have no problem with women who willing don such items. But of course there are places where they must or are beaten, isnt that true? Hell, in Saudi Arabia a women cannot leave the house without a male relative. Cant drive, vote, go out in public with strangers, and so on. Trying to get an education in Afghanistan will get a girl splashed with acid. Do you defend these behaviours?

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Where in the world did you get that out of his post?

That is a grand assumption and quite telling if you ask me.

He was pointing out that most muslim women think that the whole promiscuous, women showing off all they want, not a care in the world attitude is considered immoral. Much like some people view their garments immoral here in the west.

Please don't put words in people's mouths.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Just because WE think it's oppressive doesn't mean it is.

Well if you read about Aztecs, they considered the regular and massive practice of human sacrifice completely normal, to the extent that some volunteered to be sacrificed (while others went to the ritual against their will). Does it matter to you what WE think?

Likewise, Native American cultures considered it perfectly acceptable to dispose of prisoners by means of prolonged and pretty ruthless torture, sometimes taking days at a time. It was entirely normal for them. Is this normal for us?

While adultery is not something anyone would applaud, do you think it's normal that under sharia it's punishable by death? Or will you say "just because WE think it's cruel, barbaric and non-human doesn't mean it is"?

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by nightbringr

 

Where in the world did you get that out of his post?

That is a grand assumption and quite telling if you ask me.

He was pointing out that most muslim women think that the whole promiscuous, women showing off all they want, not a care in the world attitude is considered immoral. Much like some people view their garments immoral here in the west.

Please don't put words in people's mouths.

~Tenth

It was meant to be tongue in cheek. Yes i know what he meant, and i dont think morals should be imposed by gunpoint like it is in conservative Muslim countries. You may disagree.

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You don't seem to know anything about Muslim countries if you think the vast majority of their "morals" are required at gun point.

Please go spend some time with those people before you make assumptions about 1.57 billion people.

~Tenth

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Those are straw man arguments.

Those cultures are no longer relevant for comparison in the 21st century.

Most muslim women are not being forced to dress that way, or being forced to do much of anything. They want to, because they love their culture and respect where they came from.

Do I disagree with it? Yes.

Do I think it's somewhat oppressive in certain ways? Yes.

Am I going to judge 1.57 billion people for making decisions about themselves that in no way affect my life?

Nopes, not even once.

~Tenth

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by nightbringr

 

You don't seem to know anything about Muslim countries if you think the vast majority of their "morals" are required at gun point.

Please go spend some time with those people before you make assumptions about 1.57 billion people.

~Tenth

Oh! Now your putting words in MY mouth!

Did i once say all Muslims were like that? I simply told a story about how my wife was accosted in the streets of Eqypt and that i disagree with women being FORCED to wear veils. But yeah, go on and assume all you want.

And the time i spent in barbaric Eqypt and Morocco are more than enough time spent there, i will never return. I know full well that most Muslims are good people, its sad the evil ones rule the streets, quite obviously.

reply to post by nightbringr


What words did I put in your mouth?

Your quote:

Yes i know what he meant, and i dont think morals should be imposed by gunpoint like it is in conservative Muslim countries

As per that quote, you clearly think that ALL muslim countries are the same, so therefore all people must be same right?

If you don't want to be called out for making generlizations, then don't make them.

As for your wife, unfortunate. My sister got her butt grabbed by a homeless man downtown the other day, does that mean Canadians are terrible people?

~Tenth

reply to post by nightbringr

You make it sound like Middle Eastern countries are the only ones suffering from violence against woman. Take this for one example:

Domestic Violence Resource Center

One in four women (25%) has experienced domestic violence in her lifetime.

Estimates range from 960,000 incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend to 3 million women who are physically abused by their husband or boyfriend per year.

Whether a woman is abused for not wearing a niqab, driving a car, cheating or just looking at another guy the wrong way, this is a global problem. You are centering out a specific society and condemning them without looking at our own society.

Until everyone looks at everyone else as equals these types of problems will persist.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by nightbringr

 

What words did I put in your mouth?

Your quote:

Yes i know what he meant, and i dont think morals should be imposed by gunpoint like it is in conservative Muslim countries

As per that quote, you clearly think that ALL muslim countries are the same, so therefore all people must be same right?

Ok, so i say "conservative" which mean places like Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Afghanistan. And yet you assume i mean all countries. Gotcha!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
If you don't want to be called out for making generlizations, then don't make them.

As i just showed above, i didnt. Your knee jerk reactions are showing.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
As for your wife, unfortunate. My sister got her butt grabbed by a homeless man downtown the other day, does that mean Canadians are terrible people?

My wife has lived in Canada all her life, and never once has she experiences the things she did in Eqypt and Morocco. Lets tally that up, shall we? 29 years in Canada, never once spit on or molested, 2 hours in Egypts streets and both happened in broad daylight on busy streets.

Yes i heard about it, i can`t see sky dishing this out for its paying customers

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Show me a liberal Muslim Country. I've never seen one.

As for your wife, really? She's lived in Canada for 29 years and no man has EVER made an unwanted advance on her? She's never been acosted at a bar by some drunk idiot?

I think you've taken that experience out of context in comparison to every day life.

~Tenth