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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

— Anatole France, Nobel laureate (1844-1924)




What exactly is the difference between most topics moved to the HOAX, LOL or Skunk sections and most of the topics found in the Religion, Faith and Theology, Conspiracies in Religion or Origins and Creationism sections?

I cannot think of anything other then that more people believe in the religious nonsense then stuff found in the first three sections.
Why are nonsense threads about religion treated with respect and threads with equal evidence and fact dumped in the sections of shame?




posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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Do you rule out any and all supernatural occurrences?

Cryptology?
UFO?
ESP?

Would be kind of a boring site if we only discussed conspiracies in government and science fact.

Why is religion the one supernatural discussion that raises peoples anger the most.
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by benrl
Do you rule out any and all supernatural occurrences?

Cryptology?
UFO?
ESP?

Would be kind of a boring site if we only discussed conspiracies in government and science fact.

Why is religion the one supernatural discussion that raises peoples anger the most.
edit on 31-7-2012 by benrl because: (no reason given)

Well ESP yeah but the first two are generally threads with discuss real life events and they are productive.
For example there is a video and people break it down and work out what it is.

I would rather the site be boring then accepting of ridiculous lies, at least treat them all equally or not at all.

Religion angers people because it is a complete and utter joke.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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That's scary because I was just about to start a thread on the exact same topic... wow

Couldn't agree with you more, it's downright demoralizing to read posts from respected posters (high W and K) continuing to support their fairy-tales with scriptures and quotes.

The only reason I even check on the religion/theology forum is in hopes that somebody will provide some kind of real PROOF so that the best minds of ATS/The World can finally have a meaningful debate.

My refusal to be close minded won't let me completely shut the door on the possibility of a "Creator" but that door is as close to closed as possible for me.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Because a magical deity can exist but a biological entity from outside our solar system can't.
I know I don't understand it either.

I know your not just talking about aliens but it's an example.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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That's scary because I was just about to start a thread on the exact same topic... wow
Great minds..


Couldn't agree with you more, it's downright demoralizing to read posts from respected posters (high W and K) continuing to support their fairy-tales with scriptures and quotes.
I agree, its also deceptive and adding to a culture of people running around in endless circles of unproductive and pointless argument.


The only reason I even check on the religion/theology forum is in hopes that somebody will provide some kind of real PROOF so that the best minds of ATS/The World can finally have a meaningful debate.
Trust me, if that either happened you wouldn't have to look for it.. Which is a good rule for religious arguments, if you did have REAL proof then it would be on the news and probably wouldn't take 100 pages of confusing/metaphorical mind babble like we so often see in religious arguments.


My refusal to be close minded won't let me completely shut the door on the possibility of a "Creator" but that door is as close to closed as possible for me.
I too accept that it is possible, but so improbable its basically impossible. It is but one in an infinite number of possibility's. Which makes believing in it ignorant and believing in a highly specific creator with no evidence to the point literally insane.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by HumanCondition

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

— Anatole France, Nobel laureate (1844-1924)



This could easily be applied to Darwinism and the theory of evolution. Evolution requires much more blind faith than does the belief in an intelligent designer. Especially when you consider just how orderly the universe is. There is so much evidence in creation for a designer that only a fool or the willfully blind can deny it.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Chukkles
reply to post by HumanCondition
 


Because a magical deity can exist but a biological entity from outside our solar system can't.
I know I don't understand it either.

I know your not just talking about aliens but it's an example.
A good example none the less.
I would just like things to be treated equally or not at all.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HumanCondition

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

— Anatole France, Nobel laureate (1844-1924)



This could easily be applied to Darwinism and the theory of evolution. Evolution requires much more blind faith than does the belief in an intelligent designer. Especially when you consider just how orderly the universe is. There is so much evidence in creation for a designer that only a fool or the willfully blind can deny it.
Except for the fact that like most topics not in the hoax sections it has EVIDENCE to back up its claims.

The fact is, if you were right you would be able to have a much more convincing argument then just saying 'Evolution requires blind faith' etc.. But you can't and you know it.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by HumanCondition
I would just like things to be treated equally or not at all.
The problem there is that not all things are "equal". The truth is the truth whether you believe it or not.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HumanCondition
I would just like things to be treated equally or not at all.
The problem there is that not all things are "equal". The truth is the truth whether you believe it or not.

What I am saying in no way requires 'all things to be equal'... Just a few.

The topics moved to the hoax sections generally provide no evidence to back up their claims (although this is not always the case), religious threads also no evidence to back up their claims.
Topics moved to the hoax sections are moved there because of that fact so therefore religious threads should too or none at all.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by HumanCondition

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HumanCondition

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

— Anatole France, Nobel laureate (1844-1924)



This could easily be applied to Darwinism and the theory of evolution. Evolution requires much more blind faith than does the belief in an intelligent designer. Especially when you consider just how orderly the universe is. There is so much evidence in creation for a designer that only a fool or the willfully blind can deny it.
Except for the fact that like most topics not in the hoax sections it has EVIDENCE to back up its claims.

The fact is, if you were right you would be able to have a much more convincing argument then just saying 'Evolution requires blind faith' etc.. But you can't and you know it.
Evidence? Where are the transitional fossils? The few that might have been such are proven hoaxes. Why are there no apes coming out of the trees now? Why no fish coming out of the sea, learning to breathe air? Did evolution just stop? The only thing Darwinism ever proved was "adaptation", not "evolution".



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HumanCondition

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

— Anatole France, Nobel laureate (1844-1924)



This could easily be applied to Darwinism and the theory of evolution. Evolution requires much more blind faith than does the belief in an intelligent designer. Especially when you consider just how orderly the universe is. There is so much evidence in creation for a designer that only a fool or the willfully blind can deny it.


I'm not sure about that anymore. Intelligent design breaks down when you asume that complex design isn't possible naturally and you try to answer the question of who designed the original designer. This leaves me to wonder if there is another ultimate answer that we haven't even begun to perceive yet.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HumanCondition

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by HumanCondition

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

— Anatole France, Nobel laureate (1844-1924)



This could easily be applied to Darwinism and the theory of evolution. Evolution requires much more blind faith than does the belief in an intelligent designer. Especially when you consider just how orderly the universe is. There is so much evidence in creation for a designer that only a fool or the willfully blind can deny it.
Except for the fact that like most topics not in the hoax sections it has EVIDENCE to back up its claims.

The fact is, if you were right you would be able to have a much more convincing argument then just saying 'Evolution requires blind faith' etc.. But you can't and you know it.
Evidence? Where are the transitional fossils? The few that might have been such are proven hoaxes. Why are there no apes coming out of the trees now? Why no fish coming out of the sea, learning to breathe air? Did evolution just stop? The only thing Darwinism ever proved was "adaptation", not "evolution".


I don't really want to have this argument here, go look at some evolution threads where your comments have been disgraced many times over.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by HumanCondition

I cannot think of anything other then that more people believe in the religious nonsense then stuff found in the first three sections.
You can't always get what you want.

Personally, I would prefer that this site was used only by people who know the difference between 'Then' & 'Than', but that will never happen.

Regardless of the facts that the two words have a distinct difference between the way that they sound, and that they have entirely different meanings, people will continue using them incorrectly. I have to accept it.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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This leaves me to wonder if there is another ultimate answer that we haven't even begun to perceive yet.
Creationism is one in an INFINITE number of possibilities of which we only know what is equal to a grain of sand.
It would be statistically impossible at present for us to even have the chance to know what that ultimate answer is.

Which is exactly why religions which depend on ignorance hate science, because slowly but surely it edges us closer to being able to find out that ultimate answer.

Currently religion can provide no real evidence or fact to back up their claims which makes believing in them technically insane, or though it is more of a social illness then an individual one perpetuated by disgusting people who control the religions.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by BrokenCircles

Originally posted by HumanCondition

I cannot think of anything other then that more people believe in the religious nonsense then stuff found in the first three sections.
You can't always get what you want.

Personally, I would prefer that this site was used only by people who know the difference between 'Then' & 'Than', but that will never happen.

Regardless of the facts that the two words have a distinct difference between the way that they sound, and that they have entirely different meanings, people will continue using them incorrectly. I have to accept it.

I don't want this to be taken into consideration by people who make the rules because I know that they are too biased.
What I want is for people to discuss it and that is getting off to a good start.

Spelling and grammar doesn't matter to me if you can bring evidence to the table.

The problem is with your analogy that it doesn't come close to the problems I am talking about. There is a culture on this site of using deceptive techniques to make some things look legitimate and other things look foolish.. This is a good example.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Reading your posts, I agree with everything you've said, from the meaninglessness of proper grammar to the deceptive tactics used by Creationists.

They should make it a law to study Natural Selection and Evolution...



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by raiders247
reply to post by HumanCondition
 


Reading your posts, I agree with everything you've said, from the meaninglessness of proper grammar to the deceptive tactics used by Creationists.

They should make it a law to study Natural Selection and Evolution...

People are free to be ignorant, forcing it will just create angst although that is obviously already present.
But that does not mean we should facilitate that ignorance or try and make it seem any more legitimate then it actually is.

If education continues to increases in quality and distribution religion will fade away eventually as we are seeing currently. Why do you think religions prey on the uneducated masses in 3rd world nations.
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by HumanCondition

The problem is with your analogy that it doesn't come close to the problems I am talking about. There is a culture on this site of using deceptive techniques to make some things look legitimate and other things look foolish.. This is a good example.
That actually wasn't much of an analogy. It was just the truth.

Your conclusion is incorrect. Aside from it being something that annoys me, there are no similarities between the two.



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