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Disturbing Hypothis: Reason for actual conspiritorial events and major cover-up's

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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I hate to say it but there is no master plan. If there was it would fall apart eventually. Maybe something big is on the horizon but if it does happen I don't think anyone will be truly prepared for it. IF there are survivors they will have to resurrect whatever remaining government there is and move forward to rebuild. Eventually new cities will be formed, new states, new countries. To those who survive "Keep DEMOCRACY ALIVE"!!!!! I know many people here on ATS distrust the government but it is an evil necessity. The key is to pick the right one and if the government does go wrong everyone must stand together and oppose it. No government can survive without its people.




posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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Ozone depletion was another of the man made pollution issues arising from chloro-floro-carbon compounds that acted as a catalyst, converting the O3 ozone molecule into an O2 oxygen molecule. The chloro-floro-carbon compounds were used in air conditioners and as aerosol propellants. You are right that a global ban on those
compounds was initiated and most of the ozone depletion was mitigated. Now if you are suggesting that a solar coronal mass ejection could blow off the ozone layer, you could be right, or the radiation from this cosmic cloud. If you have any links we could research, they would be appreciated.

This is the one that could possibly be the big event.

redicecreations.com...



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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Explain what you mean about "no master plan"??


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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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www.nytimes.com... 2012/07/27/science/earth/strong-storms-threaten-ozone-layer-over-us-study-says.html?pagewanted=allreply to post by nightstalker46
 

Here's a current news story on ozone depletion.
Storms Threaten Ozone Layer Over U.S., Study Says
If you can remember or research back to the 80s when the ban on ozone depleting chemicals was in acted, you would hear about people going nuts; maybe acting like zombies, eating each other.
And if you tried finding the former government studies and agencies publishing data on ozone holes you would find it has some how been fazed out or removed, just in the last couple years.

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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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I remember warnings about increased skin cancer risks, particularly in Australia where school kids were covered in sun screen, long sleeved shirts, gloves, and wide brimmed hats. Sorry don't recall zombie, or cannibalistic events.
Tried your link and couldn't get anywhere. Could you copy and paste to post. Thanks



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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This all makes sense to me...... Re; the ringing that keeps on coming up; one of my friends who has "the ringings" concentrates on them when he meditates and has found that the effect has been profound. Re; global warming another friend Mike met a women who is an expert on global warming and has been speaking about it for 10 years. Mike said to her, "so your'e saying that we people are polluting the atmosphere which is causing it to heat up which is causing the artic to melt?" "yes". she said. "Hmmmmm," says Mike " Did you know that the average air temp of the artic is about -30. The lady looked abit uncomfortable. Mike carried on, "Forget about the artic, lets concentrate on the antartic, the trouble is tho that the average air temp down there is -75, seems to me it would be rather hard for the frozen air to melt the ice"!!!! She was not happy and stomped off!!! Mike reckons the ice is melting from the heating up of the inner core....



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:29 AM
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reasons for this change are unknown


Not so, even the OP presented some of the hypothetical causes. In fact much of the causes of the changes are well understood even if there is still no consensus about how to prioritize the causes.

To me the obvious ones are, peak demographics allied with almost peak oil, this has extreme geopolitical consequences. The next one is a general failing of the world economic system that can no longer cope with the realization that there can not be infinite growth. This to me explains the social situation and even the mentality that we are observing arising in the population, they are all awakening that we have all been lied to, and that hte future is bleak...



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by nightstalker46
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What the hell?? Have I fallen into a matrix with my other selves. Haaa. Seems like bout everyone here knows what I thought I knew but was too hesitant to come out and say it. Good link. And yes it is very compelling. These texts actually make a lot sense, like an internal "knowing" without knowing.
Now if we can just find the dang door.


There are a lot of us! I think we are all connected. As mad as it sounds, I believe it is the awakening. Everyone who can see it are loving good people. I feel that the events that are to come are sending the ripple both forward and backwards through time. We can feel it.
We are polarising. There are those that want to share love, peace, understanding, and respect of their fellow man. Then there are those who have not forgiven themselves for their mistakes, and project it all onto others. Never took responsibility for their own lives and actions. Hated and feared instead of loving and learning. Letting it eat away at them from the inside.

Hell on Earth was an accurate description. But I do wonder if those here, who understand... won't get to see it. The cosmic cloud will come before the worst of it... well I really hope so!

I honestly do have a feeling that things are about to spiral out of control. The Olympics being the catalyst. Just 2 days away.

The UK finance centre will be lost, and the economies will domino. So if you have spare money (in case this is wrong) just take the precaution of having tinned food in. Enough to last you a few months.

Beyond all this, well I could write out a description... but I won't. But war, chaos, disease... all of the above. Just avoid it, do not get involved in it if you can help it. If you do, don't blame yourself. Do good where ever you can.

All you have to do is survive. Remain loving, even in the face of the worst of man. Help others with a good heart, trust in your feelings absolutely. Go where you feel you need to go. Avoid anything to do with the machine (chips, armed forces, technology).

Pray... meditate. Learn about the Merkaba and strengthen your spirit. (The Merkaba is shown in my avatar, the two pyramids inverted inside each other). This surrounds you, and is the shape of your energy being. You'll need this to make it through the long dark night. 3 days of total darkness. The cosmic cloud. I believe it will happen myself. I don't know why.

And hey, I'll see you on the other side I guess. Don't panic though... everything is as it should be. But just know that we are all connected. The stronger we feel love, the more it will spread. It doesn't matter your religion. It matters that you understand that we are all part of a whole. The 'whole' being the entire universe. God does exist, but it is a far far greater and amazing thing than we can even comprehend. But we are all a part of God, and God is us. The universal understanding I suppose.

But yeah, we'll be ok y'know.

I look forward to seeing you all on the other side. And if all this is wrong, I'm not going to kick myself for being loving. Nothing to lose. I feel calm and happy.

Forgive yourself of all your wrong doing. Leave no stone unturned. I think you will know all of the wrongs that you have done, because they will plague you and haunt you in your dreams. See them for what they are, wrong. Say sorry out loud, or aloud in your head, face it. Weep if you need to. Heal.

If you need to tell the ones that you feel or know that you have hurt, to truly forgive yourself, then do so.. if that is what it takes. Remember, we all make stupid mistakes, you just need to recognise them and face them... don't run away.

If you can forgive yourself, and shake them demons off completely, then you'll be ok. Move forward with love.
It is simply the action of changing your direction. The changing of a thought.

No one is perfect, there are reasons why we do bad things. Circumstance, misunderstanding, selfishness, ...mainly selfishness. But you can change it all. It is asking for forgiveness, saying sorry... healing the spirit.

So remove your guilt, your negative feelings, don't fear, don't hate, and try and share the love. You'll find that it comes straight back at you. Look beyond skin colour, beliefs, sexual orientation and gender. Look for a good heart. It is all that matters.

That is all I have.

Amazing times my friends. I feel weird posting this, but it feels right. If nothing else, it is a good message I think.

Much love y'all!


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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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www.nytimes.com...
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added just a paste of nytimes story
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So I spent a little time trying to find the info I remember concerning ozone depletion from the 70s or 80s, no luck.
Have a memory of a documentary that showed people in south America going nuts as the hole grew and exposed their cities. But I can not locate anything of the sort, will give it another shot at a later date, sorry.
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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Haven't finished sorting through all the links or reading all the comments yet, but I've come to the same conclusion, thanks for summarizing y(our) position. Just like to add, hopefully no one's mentioned it yet, that this hypothesis also explains why the PTB, since they have to live here too, are wrecking the planet and otherwise behaving as if there's no tomorrow.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Haven't finished sorting through all the links or reading all the comments yet, but I've come to the same conclusion, thanks for summarizing y(our) position. Just like to add, hopefully no one's mentioned it yet, that this hypothesis also explains why the PTB, since they have to live here too, are wrecking the planet and otherwise behaving as if there's no tomorrow.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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Double post, dang it.
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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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External sources for my understandings are your typical religious/spiritual sources. The Bible, Koran, Bhagavad Gita, Nag Hammadhi, Dead Sea.. as well as more recent mystics, sages, ascetics, shamans.. But i would think my own personal internal insights are more influential. As time goes on it's difficult for me to really express the relationship between information and understanding i identify as my own. If we are God, then we are revealing everything to ourselves through a delusion of separateness... just for fun i suppose!

I see two stories unfolding before us. One based in ego/physical delusion and another based on a deeper understanding and relationship to our true nature within(and without) the physical delusion.

Our collective human societal experience moves like a weather pattern. Where our focus and attention glides between the hard physical and the limitless Truth. Right now the world is fearful because actual change is anticipated. The ego anticipates war, death, destruction. The source of anticipation is the REAL event.. Rather than the effect it will have on those who cling to delusion. The force of "evil" is delusion itself and requires the attention of what is Real (in us) to survive. Like a vampire. We see a focus on conspiracy and the new world order etc. as a parallel expression of the effect of evil... Meaning, we focus on these things at the cost of our own personal freedom and birth into what is true. But as we close in on the event people will be pulled more strongly and faster toward what they are. Fear or Reality. Delusion or Truth.

It's best that we fully accept the absolute most evil plan and physical reality we can imagine is indeed happening and then realize how little it has to do with what is True. We are ALL going to "die". When you see this physical Reality coming apart, look in the cracks and dive in.

We all exist right now in this story collectively, and the material forces of evil only hope of survival is to keep the story alive. There are people that truly believe They are standing against Reality itself, holding this evil material existence together by their own will. hahaha. That is the definition of evil.. of hell. that is hell.

Science is crippled in that is only exists in the context of material belief and understanding. So anything perceived through it's method is simply an egotistical confirmation of what the user wants to believe. So if the "elite" have perceived the end of the world the action they take is one of physical survival beyond the destruction.

It's been said a million times. Our delusional perception of Reality is not something to hold up while enduring unbelievable strain, pain and horror. When we see the universe dissolve we should understand the REAL universe is not even being effected.. rather our egotistical delusion is the only thing being destroyed. We think we are humans, on a planet, circling the sun, in a galaxy, in an infinite space. The interpretation is NOT real. And the interpretation is an effect of what is True. So when that effect changes so too does our interpretation. The universe and all the understanding will literally disappear. That change is anticipated and some will attempt to remain in denial of it.. but ultimately it's going to be like trying to swim up Niagara Falls. Some say a force will allow this denial to persist... like a bubble in Reality. The name of the bubble is "hell"... to each his own!



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by nightstalker46
Those of us who have been saying "follow the money" will understand, but we always thought it was just about greed. Maybe it boils down to "their" survival at our expense.


In other words, what you're saying is that there really is no debt problem. Since the idea that all this government debt is a bad thing because it places the burden of repayment onto the children of the future, is a false premise. Since, there will be no children in the future, except the few survivors. Hence, spend at will today.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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[The elite = High up government officials and bankers.

They found out first about the coming disasters so they went to their extremeley rich friends and started to get funding for underground bunkers. The money starts to run dry at some point and the number of people going to the bunkers increased so they need more money. IMO this is the reason why our officials don't give a crap about our national debt or the amount of money that they spend.]

The amount of money that has mysteriously "disappeared" from the Fed, Bailouts, Stock Market, and pension funds, combined with the massive increase in the national debt (of which we don't ever get a true accountability of how or where the gov. spends it) suggest that you are right on target.
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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by NAMTERCES

Originally posted by nightstalker46
Those of us who have been saying "follow the money" will understand, but we always thought it was just about greed. Maybe it boils down to "their" survival at our expense.


In other words, what you're saying is that there really is no debt problem. Since the idea that all this government debt is a bad thing because it places the burden of repayment onto the children of the future, is a false premise. Since, there will be no children in the future, except the few survivors. Hence, spend at will today.


If I new for sure the timing involved, yep, I'd start my bucket list and live high on the hog.


Dang: I just spent the last 10 years, sacrificing pleasures, to get completely out of debt.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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The only thing about your reply I might question is that 2050 may be "generous" .
That aside, good post. Keep em coming.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Wonderful thread everyone. I agree!

We need not fear the changes. They will benefit us in the end.

One point I wanted to make is that this thread is such a great integration of thoughts! This is what it means to awaken!

Two years ago... a thread like this wouldn't have been a great integration of thoughts for even four pages. It would have either fizzled or been met with great derision. We are awakening now.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by nightstalker46
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The only thing about your reply I might question is that 2050 may be "generous" .
That aside, good post. Keep em coming.


So what are the timings for the solar system passing through this gas cloud?. I noticed one of the links saying it started in 2009 (il go back and check that), when are we likely to start feeling the appparant effects, i wonder?

Yep 2009, or just noticed in 2009.
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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by saladfingers123456

Originally posted by nightstalker46
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What the hell?? Have I fallen into a matrix with my other selves. Haaa. Seems like bout everyone here knows what I thought I knew but was too hesitant to come out and say it. Good link. And yes it is very compelling. These texts actually make a lot sense, like an internal "knowing" without knowing.
Now if we can just find the dang door.


There are a lot of us! I think we are all connected. As mad as it sounds, I believe it is the awakening. Everyone who can see it are loving good people. I feel that the events that are to come are sending the ripple both forward and backwards through time. We can feel it.
We are polarising. There are those that want to share love, peace, understanding, and respect of their fellow man. Then there are those who have not forgiven themselves for their mistakes, and project it all onto others. Never took responsibility for their own lives and actions. Hated and feared instead of loving and learning. Letting it eat away at them from the inside.

Hell on Earth was an accurate description. But I do wonder if those here, who understand... won't get to see it. The cosmic cloud will come before the worst of it... well I really hope so!

I honestly do have a feeling that things are about to spiral out of control. The Olympics being the catalyst. Just 2 days away.

The UK finance centre will be lost, and the economies will domino. So if you have spare money (in case this is wrong) just take the precaution of having tinned food in. Enough to last you a few months.

Beyond all this, well I could write out a description... but I won't. But war, chaos, disease... all of the above. Just avoid it, do not get involved in it if you can help it. If you do, don't blame yourself. Do good where ever you can.

All you have to do is survive. Remain loving, even in the face of the worst of man. Help others with a good heart, trust in your feelings absolutely. Go where you feel you need to go. Avoid anything to do with the machine (chips, armed forces, technology).

Pray... meditate. Learn about the Merkaba and strengthen your spirit. (The Merkaba is shown in my avatar, the two pyramids inverted inside each other). This surrounds you, and is the shape of your energy being. You'll need this to make it through the long dark night. 3 days of total darkness. The cosmic cloud. I believe it will happen myself. I don't know why.

And hey, I'll see you on the other side I guess. Don't panic though... everything is as it should be. But just know that we are all connected. The stronger we feel love, the more it will spread. It doesn't matter your religion. It matters that you understand that we are all part of a whole. The 'whole' being the entire universe. God does exist, but it is a far far greater and amazing thing than we can even comprehend. But we are all a part of God, and God is us. The universal understanding I suppose.

But yeah, we'll be ok y'know.

I look forward to seeing you all on the other side. And if all this is wrong, I'm not going to kick myself for being loving. Nothing to lose. I feel calm and happy.

Forgive yourself of all your wrong doing. Leave no stone unturned. I think you will know all of the wrongs that you have done, because they will plague you and haunt you in your dreams. See them for what they are, wrong. Say sorry out loud, or aloud in your head, face it. Weep if you need to. Heal.

If you need to tell the ones that you feel or know that you have hurt, to truly forgive yourself, then do so.. if that is what it takes. Remember, we all make stupid mistakes, you just need to recognise them and face them... don't run away.

If you can forgive yourself, and shake them demons off completely, then you'll be ok. Move forward with love.
It is simply the action of changing your direction. The changing of a thought.

No one is perfect, there are reasons why we do bad things. Circumstance, misunderstanding, selfishness, ...mainly selfishness. But you can change it all. It is asking for forgiveness, saying sorry... healing the spirit.

So remove your guilt, your negative feelings, don't fear, don't hate, and try and share the love. You'll find that it comes straight back at you. Look beyond skin colour, beliefs, sexual orientation and gender. Look for a good heart. It is all that matters.

That is all I have.

Amazing times my friends. I feel weird posting this, but it feels right. If nothing else, it is a good message I think.

Much love y'all!


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Amazingly insightful. Instead of reply only, I feel this message is worthy of a re-post. As close to a "message for all mankind" as I can think of. I find myself almost speechless. Thank you.



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