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Hikers in Verdugos found body believed to be missing FBI agent

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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Hmm maybe if you had no family. If you turn up missing, it's only natural family will want to know what happened. Or your friends if you have any. Plus your work also. Unfortunately many Americans go missing each year never to be found again or found many years later by dental records or something else. I used to want to help find missing people.

I guess one of the driving forces behind people trying to find a missing person is that they feel a connection with that person. Like if it's someone's daughter, a father or mother might think of their child and how they'd feel.




posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
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Hmm maybe if you had no family. If you turn up missing, it's only natural family will want to know what happened. Or your friends if you have any. Plus your work also. Unfortunately many Americans go missing each year never to be found again or found many years later by dental records or something else. I used to want to help find missing people.

I guess one of the driving forces behind people trying to find a missing person is that they feel a connection with that person. Like if it's someone's daughter, a father or mother might think of their child and how they'd feel.


Oh, i get that. The dynamic that drives it makes total sense.

There is an underlying absurdity in the whole process that i am having difficulty putting words to, but that also relates to why humans are called "resources" (you friendly HR department), and how the US actually gets loans (you are worth a certain amount on a ledger that adds up the GDP forecast. You are thus accounted for, in a literal sense.

Perhaps i shouldn't have typed. It was more a ghost of a thought that has since begun to fade.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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Ah, I think I understand.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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He had a 1-year old child the LA Times article states. Maybe he was wondering what kind of world the child would grow into if his Father was absent. Maybe, as some have stated, he was offed. Then again this is speculation but it could have been both, neither, or one.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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What is a fbi?



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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double post! sorry
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Explanation: In the USA the FBI is an acronym for Federal Bureau (of) Investigation ... and they are that nations top police force.

Federal Bureau of Investigation [wiki]


The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is a governmental agency belonging to the United States Department of Justice that serves as both a federal criminal investigative body and an internal intelligence agency (counterintelligence). Also, it is the government agency responsible for investigating crimes on Indian reservations in the United States under the Major Crimes Act. The branch has investigative jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal crime.


Personal Disclosure: I hope that helps.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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Well I strongly suspected from the very start that this man would turn up dead sooner or later. I feel bad for his family and I don't believe for a second he was suicidal. Just another cover-up we will never know the truth about...



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Let's not forget his "partner" was very very soon after the dissapearance brought up on child porn charges....

Things that make you go hmmmm.....

reply to post by greeneyedleo
 
Thanks, I didn't know about that detail.

25-year veteran of the FBI accused of trading child porn

However, do we know whether or not these two were actually partners? I don't think they were.

Donald J. Sachtleben, the man arrested for child porn, apparently retired in 2008 where Ivens had only worked for the FBI "for the past three years" which means his employment would've only gone back to 2009.

I do believe Sorcha Faal got their hands on this one early on, where they reported that Ivens had met with a "Russian Envoy Vladimir Vinokurov" where he "...warned that he and a former FBI agent named Donald Sachtleben had uncovered evidence of an impending terror attack on US soil stating that those behind the attack were “all insane.”

I was unable to find the "Foreign Ministry report circulating in the Kremlin" that Sorcha Faal claimed existed (surprise).

FBI Agent Fleeing Massive Manhunt Warns "They're all insane."(Hoax)

However... It appears Ivens was found not more than a few hundred feet from a regularly frequented urban area, combine that with the large amount of efforts to find him over the past two months, and you can see this still raises some questions.

If a man of such outstanding character and record who has a wife and kids that he loved was truly feeling suicidal, would he really end his life in a location where finding him would prove difficult and take two months or more? He wouldn't do that to his family intentionally, would he? I'd say no - He would do it in a manner so that his discovery wouldn't take very long. But I'm just speculating, now...

If anyone cares to go see some photos of who Stephen Ivens was, or wish to leave some comments, here's his Facebook page: Let's Bring Steve Home. Just leave the conspiracy stuff at the door if you do comment on it.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by Sek82

NBC is reporting he was found "behind a church", and that "A weapon was recovered."

The church must not have been very active to not notice him over the course of two months of decomposition. I find it hard to believe that the FBI - In searching for one of their own - Were bested by a couple of hikers in eventually finding him so close to home.

Are they really that incompetent, or is there something more to this?


when you ask if they're incompetent".. do you really mean that in a direct and honest way or are you suggesting foul play within the department/agency itself?

You general type some interesting things that I so far have enjoyed reading, I admit I don't know you but this sounds as if your'e angry at the FBI or perhaps them in that area. I noticed a lot of hostility towards the FBI and was wondering why. I hear stories of battles with in the department between people who are sick and tired of what they see as corruption and cover-ups of some hire ups but I'm a bit baffled at the FBI being attacked by so many.

This nation seems to be being force for Global changes and a Global power structure. they're teaching, raising, programming out youth. I see good in it but more bad.

sticking to the topic, I'm curious why he would want to do this to himself. Personal family issues or something he knew of.

If it's the former then leave it simple.. if the latter we must know.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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Thanks...I got tied up and didnt follow up on the alleged "connection"....I didnt realize it was a SF story....my bad!



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Sek82

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Let's not forget his "partner" was very very soon after the dissapearance brought up on child porn charges....

Things that make you go hmmmm.....

reply to post by greeneyedleo
 
Thanks, I didn't know about that detail.

25-year veteran of the FBI accused of trading child porn

However, do we know whether or not these two were actually partners? I don't think they were.

Donald J. Sachtleben, the man arrested for child porn, apparently retired in 2008 where Ivens had only worked for the FBI "for the past three years" which means his employment would've only gone back to 2009.

I do believe Sorcha Faal got their hands on this one early on, where they reported that Ivens had met with a "Russian Envoy Vladimir Vinokurov" where he "...warned that he and a former FBI agent named Donald Sachtleben had uncovered evidence of an impending terror attack on US soil stating that those behind the attack were “all insane.”

I was unable to find the "Foreign Ministry report circulating in the Kremlin" that Sorcha Faal claimed existed (surprise).

FBI Agent Fleeing Massive Manhunt Warns "They're all insane."(Hoax)

However... It appears Ivens was found not more than a few hundred feet from a regularly frequented urban area, combine that with the large amount of efforts to find him over the past two months, and you can see this still raises some questions.

If a man of such outstanding character and record who has a wife and kids that he loved was truly feeling suicidal, would he really end his life in a location where finding him would prove difficult and take two months or more? He wouldn't do that to his family intentionally, would he? I'd say no - He would do it in a manner so that his discovery wouldn't take very long. But I'm just speculating, now...

If anyone cares to go see some photos of who Stephen Ivens was, or wish to leave some comments, here's his Facebook page: Let's Bring Steve Home. Just leave the conspiracy stuff at the door if you do comment on it.

doesn't change the fact that both of their circumstances the guy arrested for child porn (his email was pedodave69...hahaha..that is laughable.) and this guy was "suicidal" were both extremely fishy..also the guy who was arrested for child porn was in the business for 25 years..it is possible he has connections in there and someone told him of it
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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I would like to meet the brilliant medical professional that was able to look at a two month old decomposed corpse and say "matches the physical description of..".

Unless this person was excessively tall or had a specific metal repair work (or perhaps his "homeward found" chip), how do you know? This is an interesting statement.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by stew4media
when you ask if they're incompetent".. do you really mean that in a direct and honest way or are you suggesting foul play within the department/agency itself?

You general type some interesting things that I so far have enjoyed reading, I admit I don't know you but this sounds as if your'e angry at the FBI or perhaps them in that area.

Good question. When I asked that, I did so in a genuine manner while holding no bias for or against the FBI.

Implying foul play was involved without having evidence of it is something I won't do, however the circumstances surrounding this have led me to suggest they should have found him much sooner if he did simply walk off and take his own life so close to home.

As someone said earlier on, it's not like he was found at the peak of some mountain terribly far away. He didn't go far at all... Well, he didn't end up very far away, I should say.

Furthermore, we should have heard more about this via press conference updates or other media reports rather than a few snippets for a day or two followed by silence - Especially if they thought there might be a chance he'd still be alive. He wasn't just a Special Agent, but a Father and a Husband.

On the other hand, if they were fairly certain he'd off himself, why such a massive search effort along side the media brownout regarding it? Could it be they wanted to save face within the agency, or was there something else they knew and wouldn't tell us? I suspect the latter here, because saving lives is more important than saving face, or so I'd hope.

This sort of story is the type that you'd expect to see front page media coverage on. The fact that we saw the opposite is telling. All I can do is ask questions... Hope that helps, and my apologies for the long-winded response.


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It's possible initial identification was done by checking his firearm's serial number before the Coroner's office could confirm him, but they didn't mention that - So good point there. Clothing, maybe? I wonder if we'll even hear any additional news on this, or will it be "case closed, move along now."?
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posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 01:29 AM
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To be realistic, most of what your average FBI agent is doing is not considered clandestine, like something a CIA agent would normally be working on. This isn't to say that the FBI doesn't get into their share of crazy stuff, but the agency, over the years since its creation, has really just become what it was intended to be in the first place: a federal police agency, albeit many times with too much power. There is still corruption, as with any position of power when a weak person is placed in it, but I would not immediately jump to the conspiracy explanation over an FBI agent, unless there was something extremely odd about the evidence.

I mean there are quite a few FBI agents, and some of them are bound to become suicidal, just like any large group of people. They are screened psychologically however, so the rate would be much lower than a group of the general public of the same size...but it is still bound to occur at some point. Maybe this is that point, considering I haven't heard of any suicidal FBI agents recently. Although I've noticed a lot of suicidal CIA agents since the 60's...Makes you wonder if they screen these people, right?
Especially considering they all seem to throw themselves out windows...



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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If it was suicide then a bullet would be missing from the gun and a hole would be found somewhere!
The coroner hasn't issued how he died though?
The church and area seems pretty urban, not to distant, which is strange.
I need to hear the autopsy report to help conclude this story...



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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They can call it a suicide or whatever. FBI agents who commit suicide means incompetence, in the way they hire people. If this agent is mentally loose enough to do him self in ? How many other agents are loose in a different way ? I say shut em down until they can all be re-evaluated.

Anytime the death of an agent CIA, FBI, police officer, public figure, etc. is ruled a suicide? It is a suspicious death. You don't just rule it a suicide and forget about it.

Cloak and Dagger.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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I wouldn't necessarily say "cloak & dagger". Po-Po have the highest suicide rate of any career field (followed closely by dentists...?).

However! I must admit the media coverage of THIS suicide is a bit bizarre. For instance, why does the public need to know this man is dangerous? Plenty of specially trained individuals wander off in the woods and commit suicide every year. How does he rate? What would make him especially dangerous? Why the intense manhunt? Why? Why? Why?

[insert here heartfelt warm fuzzy sentiments for his family]

Feds that have an obvious online pedophilia name? This is a face value tale. If we call him & his partner rogue agents that deal in kiddie porn, arms trafficking, and bad cooking practices, the public will turn away in disgust. So we can kick a little dirt over the mess and 'move along'.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
I hope it isn't, but can't shake this gut feeling he was offed and let to rot. This will get buried and covered up, the lack of continuous coverage proves that.

This should show everybody how the fed takes care of their own...



Yup, that's the way I feel after reading the above posts. I mean, really hundereds of FBI agents couldn't find this guy basically in his own back yard? Please. Too many questions. I still believe he knew something and this was his thanks for finding it. Be interesting to find a map and see just how close to home he really was.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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Thanks for reminding me about this.
There was a thread about those agents regarding what they were involved in....
I'm going to check.

ETA: Found it. Was a thread sent to the hoax bin, I'm guessing it was because it was a Sorcha Faal story?

One of the comments in the thread was "Maybe Sorcha Faal got it right this time?"

Maybe there is something to it.
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