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India Power Outage: 600 Million People Affected By One Of The World's Biggest Blackouts

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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Hi.

So this has grown in size almost doubled the people affected.

600 million people!

Is something like this going to hit the U.S. or Europe? I think it will if we don't make some major improvements soon.

www.huffingtonpost.com...




India's energy crisis spread over half the country Tuesday when both its eastern and northern electricity grids collapsed, leaving 600 million people without power in one of the world's biggest-ever blackouts.

The outage in the eastern grid came just a day after India's northern power grid collapsed for several hours. Indian officials managed to restore power several hours later, but at 1:05 p.m. Tuesday the northern grid collapsed again, said Shailendre Dubey, an official at the Uttar Pradesh Power Corp. in India's largest state. About the same time, the eastern grid failed as well, said S.K. Mohanty, a power official in the eastern state of Orissa. The two grids serve about half India's population.

The power deficit was worsened by a weak monsoon that lowered hydroelectric generation and kept temperatures higher, further increasing electricity usage as people seek to cool off.





posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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That's just pretty nuts.
Hopefully, our grid's have a different design system that won't allow that to happen.

How soon before someone posts it was Internet Warfare and Sabotage, and we need to shut down the Internet?

How soon ya think?

Days or hours?



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Two days ago, the Northern Grid failed, they routed power from the Eastern grid, however, today, both grids collapsed. This has surprisingly happened not in the Summer weather, but the rains! Power consumption is lowest during Rainy and Winter season in India as compared to other countries, as most of the users do not need Heating, not even in the cold northern regions do we find proper electrical heating installations at homes or offices.

What has happened, sadly is that the stagnating and obsolete infrastructure has simply collapsed. Then there are those who oppose Nuclear Power...I am sure this situation will be overcome, but I fear bigger collapses will happen again in India, very soon.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by UnknownEntity
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What has happened, sadly is that the stagnating and obsolete infrastructure has simply collapsed. Then there are those who oppose Nuclear Power...I am sure this situation will be overcome, but I fear bigger collapses will happen again in India, very soon.
There you go
Out of this will emerge the new agenda which is to push forward with the Nuclear Power.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by niceguybob
That's just pretty nuts.
Hopefully, our grid's have a different design system that won't allow that to happen.

How soon before someone posts it was Internet Warfare and Sabotage, and we need to shut down the Internet?

How soon ya think?

Days or hours?


Actually much of our Technology and infrastructure is the same circa 1950's technology, and not much has changed this.

Its why if a squirrel jumps in a transformer in Jersey the whole eastern country could go down.

Basically we have 3 major Grids The Eastern Connection, Western Connection and gasp...TEXAS

en.wikipedia.org...

The Texas part makes my conspiracy meter go jumpy, but it's the rest we should be concerned about. Basically the entire country could be shut down from 3 areas.

Although there have been some changes we are still dealing with 20th century technology, and even though it would be a huge undertaking we should upgrade our entire nation! Think of the jobs it would create and the less problems we would have!

We need to before something like what is happening in India happens here!
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Actually much of our Technology and infrastructure is the same circa 1950's technology, and not much has changed this. Its why if a squirrel jumps in a transformer in Jersey the whole eastern country could go down. Basically we have 3 major Grids The Eastern Connection, Western Connection and gasp...TEXAS


I use to work on powerlines, you have NO idea what your talking about, it would take a lot more then a "squirrel jumping on a transformer" to shut it down.......

There are vast changes in the systems including shut downs to isolate instances that cause blackouts, and keep them from traveling.......

Anyone whose ever had their power go out, and realized it didnt shut down their whole county, and was just isolated to their neighborhood, or part of the city, knows that ........

Stop with the fear porn...........

Indias system was carrying MASSIVE loads, on outdated, and badly worn down equipment.....

Most of their system is more like something from the 50s, carrying loads of todays standards..........thats why it failed.......

They are notoriously horrible on their maintenance............this is the issue

again stop with the fear porn


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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by abeverage
We need to before something like what is happening in India happens here!


But it has!

2003

I got the worst of it, flying from Detroit into New York City (LGA) in complete darkness, driving to a friend in Brooklyn on the last drop of gas, and having the misfortune to be stuck in the area to which the power was restored the last, about 3 days later.

True, it was only 45 million people affected, but still a major act.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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True. At the same time we're so used to the rare outages in US that many of us do not have adequate personal backup systems or generators like the folks in India who are used to such outages and are adequately prepared in all ways to deal with prolonged outages. Definitely the new POTUS should focus on this aspect not just to create some much needed jobs but to address such outages should it occur in the US affecting millions.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
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Actually much of our Technology and infrastructure is the same circa 1950's technology, and not much has changed this. Its why if a squirrel jumps in a transformer in Jersey the whole eastern country could go down. Basically we have 3 major Grids The Eastern Connection, Western Connection and gasp...TEXAS


I use to work on powerlines, you have NO idea what your talking about, it would take a lot more then a "squirrel jumping on a transformer" to shut it down.......

There are vast changes in the systems including shut downs to isolate instances that cause blackouts, and keep them from traveling.......

Anyone whose ever had their power go out, and realized it didnt shut down their whole county, and was just isolated to their neighborhood, or part of the city, knows that ........

Stop with the fear porn...........

Indias system was carrying MASSIVE loads, on outdated, and badly worn down equipment.....

Most of their system is more like something from the 50s, carrying loads of todays standards..........thats why it failed.......

They are notoriously horrible on their maintenance............this is the issue

again stop with the fear porn


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Fear Porn? Fear Porn is not the facts! I want people aware not scared!
FACT: We have 3 AC power Grids, including oddly Texas And why? So they are sefl-sufficient and if there is a power failure it stays in Texas! All our states should take a lesson!
en.wikipedia.org...
www.slate.com...
www.texastribune.org...

FACT: The US power grid is outdated and because of that age much of it cannot handle new forms of electricity generation!
www.npr.org...
www.scientificamerican.com...
knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu...
realtruth.org...

FACT: Squirrels and other mishaps cause power failures
royal.pingdom.com...
www.usatoday.com...




Anyone whose ever had their power go out, and realized it didnt shut down their whole county, and was just isolated to their neighborhood, or part of the city, knows that ........
Oh really? Tell that to anyone living in DC recently....
FACT: A power failure can effect the whole city, and even the state and leave MILLIONS without power, not just a neighborhood or part of a city!
www.utsandiego.com...
washington.cbslocal.com...



Indias system was carrying MASSIVE loads, on outdated, and badly worn down equipment.....

Most of their system is more like something from the 50s, carrying loads of todays standards..........thats why it failed.......

So is the US and most the worlds! But ours are better maintained which does not negate the need to upgrade them!


This was not fear porn this was the FACTS of reality!
Now I said we should bringing this into the 21st Century with more jobs and get rid of the old technology. We have an over burdened you should appreciate new jobs being a lineman...
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by abeverage
We need to before something like what is happening in India happens here!


But it has!

2003

I got the worst of it, flying from Detroit into New York City (LGA) in complete darkness, driving to a friend in Brooklyn on the last drop of gas, and having the misfortune to be stuck in the area to which the power was restored the last, about 3 days later.

True, it was only 45 million people affected, but still a major act.


You should argue with the lineManBehindTheMask not me, as you are preaching to the choir here...
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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I think we def need to consider this a heads up for our own aging grid. I seriously doubt we could have a catastrophic collapse like this was but...our infrastructure needs some TLC. Not just the grid, but waterlines, sewer systems, bridges, roads, dams...it's all getting old. We can't just ignore it and pretend like it will last forever...it won't.

I can't imagine how panicked we here stateside would be if this happened here...chaos!

here is a fox news article....for what it's worth.

www.foxnews.com...



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Thanks for the update.

I just feel sorry for those people.

How can they not have a back up plan to get the miners to safety?



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Good question. You'd think they'd have a back up generator for the elevators...???

It appears that a large percentage of the grid is already back up. Western sources are milking the "news and chaos factor" for ratings I guess.

here is another source showing the progress...live blog from "the Times of India"

timesofindia.indiatimes.com...



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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tragic for India but their "grid" has had problems for decades.

This is just a sample how they tap into the grid for power and telecom

techpaul.wordpress.com...

farm4.static.flickr.com...


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ETA
Great article from 2007. Compare then and now. Did India ever ween itself off of these diesel generators?


Look up at the top of these towers and on any given day, you are likely to find three, four, six smokestacks poking out from each rooftop, blowing gray-black plumes into the clouds. If the smokestacks are on, it means the power is off and that the building - whether bright new mall, condominium or office - is probably being powered by diesel-fed generators.

This being India, a country of more than one billion people, the scale is staggering.

In just one case, Tata Consultancy Services, a technology company, maintains five giant generators, along with a nearly 20,000-liter, or 5,300-gallon, tank of diesel underground, as if it were a gasoline station.

The reserve fuel can power the lights, computers and air conditioners for up to 15 days to keep Tata's six-story building humming during the hot, dry summer months, when temperatures routinely soar above 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius) and power cuts can average eight hours a day.

The Gurgaon skyline is studded with hundreds of buildings like this. In Gurgaon alone, the state power authority estimates that the gap between demand and supply hovers around 20 percent, and that is probably a conservative estimate.


More...
www.nytimes.com...


In Gurgaon, for instance, transformers routinely blow out because of heavy loads. Voltage fluctuations damage electrical appliances of all sorts.

What the state cannot provide efficiently, many take for themselves. The World Bank estimates that at least $4 billion in electricity is unaccounted for each year - that is to say, stolen. Transparency International estimated in 2005 that Indians paid $480 million in bribes to put in new connections or correct bills.

The country's energy needs are one of the government's main arguments for a nuclear deal with the United States, which would allow India to buy reactors and fuel from the world market.

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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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I'm surprised this news isn't on the homepage, what with all those fascinated by doomsday scenarios. Aren't they now saying this is the biggest blackout ever?



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Why is this not on the front page???

It is now affecting nearly 1/10th of the world's population.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Summer AC loads on the electrical grid in India must be incredible. At 40 degrees Celsius this really is an emergency. In the United states they have upgraded the electrical grid infrastructure in the Northeast after the big NY blackout and the Southern states were built to handle the extra load of air conditioning a long time ago.

Next crisis in the US is more likely to be Ernesto..



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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I wonder how this will affect all the US companies who outsource IT and business functions to India. I imagine that companies who outsource with major corporations, such as IBM, Accenture, Infosys, etc., would be okay, since those companies likely have backup generators. But the smaller companies who don't rent office space in a large corporate complex are probably going to be offline until power is restored.

Although India constantly had power problems in the past, does anyone think the size of this particular outage might have anything to do with India leaning towards Russia and China with all of the middle east drama?


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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by MaryStillToe
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I wonder how this will affect all the US companies who outsource IT and business functions to India. I imagine that companies who outsource with major corporations, such as IBM, Accenture, Infosys, etc., would be okay, since those companies likely have backup generators. But the smaller companies who don't rent office space in a large corporate complex are probably going to be offline until power is restored.


That's a fresh angle! Even with backup generators, getting to and from the office must be a problem since trains don't run and the roads are likely congested, plus you can't pump gas (trust me I was in a situation like that).

Well I don't mind if some of the business comes back to the US as a result of that.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 04:17 AM
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Do they know...was it sun related?



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