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How's this.
Lets say I belong to a group of people who believe sex with stuffed teddy bears should be legal and afforded equal civil rights.
Lets say this movement is huge, 500 million strong world wide.We want it to be considered morally acceptable to take our sex partner teddy bears to dinner with us
What if it wasn't teddy bears but robots that were so life like, they are deemed like Data from Star Trek as sentient beings.
The idea is to change the very definition of morality
and make something that's not considered moral into something that is considered moral
Civil Rights issues, I can see,
blacks should not be mistreated simply because of the color of their skin.
Gay people should not be mistreated simply because they are gay
but that's different than allowing them to change the very definition of morality itself. Even the blacks didn't seek to do that.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HIWATT
Well that's fine. I understand you accept his word as truth. I encourage you to express it.
I think he's giving lip service.
I think the idea that someone has 'beliefs' that making wedding cakes for gay couples is wrong and that's mutually exclusive to taken issue with them being gay is absolutely asinine.
I am totally fine if the Republicans use my airline but they can't sit first-class. I have no issue with Republicans obviously since I let them fly in my airplanes.
Is it okay that I am expressing this stance, or am I also hijacking to support an agenda?
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by HIWATT
Well you are clearly putting words into my mouth. Perhaps they represent others but I certainly didn't saying anything to warrant the dramatic words you just typed....
Again. I acknowledge your stance. I just don't agree. Care to comment on my airplane analogy? Being objective would you look at that and honestly say the airline owner has nothing against Republicans? If you don't think it's a fair analogy can you explain why, as I think it works quite well.
Originally posted by VikingWarlord
reply to post by phishyblankwaters
You can't change your race, but you can choose who you sleep with. Equating denying service to people of a differing sexual orientation vs color of your skin as the same is absurd.
I am starting to think the gays will do anything for attention, it's getting old.
Johannesburg - The Equality Court has fined a functions venue and ordered it to allow homosexuals on its premises, after it refused to let a lesbian couple celebrate their wedding there. According to the University of Pretoria's human rights centre, the couple complained that they were not allowed to publicly celebrate their civil union at Sha-Mani functions venue in Alberton last year.
Originally posted by VikingWarlord
. For the shop owner, it might be like asking them to go against their religion and belief system. I would equate it to asking a a muslim to make a cake praising praising Jesus.
Originally posted by AlreadyGone
What if you went to a pizza shop... ordered a pepperoni pizaa... made with pepperoni made from pork... the shop owner declines on religious beliefs... only beef pepperoni... He is a Muslim and pork is unclean to him...
What if you go to a deli... and order a ham sandwich... a real pork ham sandwich... the shop owner declines serving you based on religious belief... She is Jewish
What if you go to a sandwich shop... order a steak sub... no steak sandwiches here... the owners declines based on religious faith... they are Hindu
What if a shop owned by a Muslim only served women if they wore a hijab... discriminatory?... political?
What about restuarants that only admit people that wear neckties and dinner jackets?
What about faith based hospitals that refuse to administer abortions?
A shop owner refuses to make a wedding cake for a gay couple because of personal religious views?
- The privately owned cake shop can service whoever they wish, right? I'm pretty sure that they have a right to refuse service if they want.
Side note - never complain about those who are handling your food.
You don't know what goes on in the kitchen when you aren't watching.