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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I think in many ways we are becoming to sensitive, or handling the situation wrong.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Annee
I understand what you are saying, but I do believe in many instances we are to easily offended,
I have to watch all the anti christian post, it isn't easy, and I also have to accept the fact that many times Christian are overbearing.
Like you said we are all individuals.
I know what I believe is wrong with discrimination, but I don't see how it is any of my business, or yours, to dictate what other people believe.
How would you like to be forced to have a relationship with the biggest racist and biggot you can imagine? Is that anybody else's right to force you to create that relationship? If you had a business, and somebody came in your business that totally disgusted you with their very being, don't you have a right to refuse them service?
Sure, it is simple to say discrimination is wrong, but that doesn't mean I want to force everyone to be ok with everything and live together in some fantasy land.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I think in many ways we are becoming to sensitive, or handling the situation wrong.
I do not agree when it comes to homosexuals.
This is not just discrimination - - - this is pure hate due to a god belief and pure ignorance.
Many Fundamentalist truly belief as some Fundamentalist Preachers have espoused (in many ways) - - that homosexuals are the cause of the destruction of humanity.
This is way more then just discrimination.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
One more thing, I think Jesus would have sold them a cake,
You know We Christians always seem to forget the, you who are without sin cast the first stone, now don't take that as I am saying they are sinning, but the cake boss does,
I wouldn't have had the heart to deny them a cake, let alone tell them because they are gay.
Originally posted by khimbar
Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
I wonder, if the man refused to produce a wedding cake for a black couple, what the ATS feeling would be. What about a couple that wanted the little plastic figures to be holding AK47s?
Mine would be exactly the same. His business, his choice.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Annee
I understand what you are saying, but I do believe in many instances we are to easily offended,
I have to watch all the anti christian post, it isn't easy, and I also have to accept the fact that many times Christian are overbearing.
Like you said we are all individuals.
Well we are in what could be called a Transition Period - - I suppose.
As said I'm old enough to have experienced the Civil Rights movement and forced busing.
Its sad Equality has to be forced - - but it does.
When Federal Law finally catches up to Equal Rights of LGBT - - - then the pendulum can swing back to center.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
These people have a right to their opinion and in some ways, they are right. It's said the end of times will be noted by such events such as a rise in wickedness, ( this would include gay activity) and yes, history proves this has happened and is happening. Therefore from their point of view, they have solid ground to believe as they do.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
O.k... fine. Equal rights for gays. Where do you draw the line?
Equal rights for illegal aliens?
Equal rights for real aliens, if they would suddenly land on the White House lawn.
Equal rights for dolphins.. you know many people believe dolphins are sentient beings.
O.k... fine. Equal rights for gays. Where do you draw the line? Equal rights for illegal aliens? Equal rights for real aliens, if they would suddenly land on the White House lawn. Equal rights for dolphins.. you know many people believe dolphins are sentient beings.
Tell me Annee.. do you have such a line.. at all?
Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by hp1229
They will lose a lot of business and may have to close; it is their own fault.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by hp1229
Not because I disagree with gay marriage, I am actually in favor of gay marriage (although I think "marriage" should be done in a church, and they should create a legal union for any couple gay or not, that wants to form a partnership outside of a church).
LOL at where do you draw the line. Are you threatened by the gay community? Are you threatened by LGBT citizens having the same rights as heterosexual citizens? Seems as if you are. Almost hilarious, if it weren't so ridiculous.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
O.k... fine. Equal rights for gays. Where do you draw the line? Equal rights for illegal aliens? Equal rights for real aliens, if they would suddenly land on the White House lawn. Equal rights for dolphins.. you know many people believe dolphins are sentient beings.
Tell me Annee.. do you have such a line.. at all?
There are same-sex couples that are also religious. And yes, there are 1138 benefits to married couples that non-married couples do not have. So marriage, and only marriage, is acceptable. Marriage is not solely a religious term. There is one way to solve all of this------allow same-sex couples marriage. That's all it comes down to.
Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by Stormdancer777
I can agree with you on this for sure.
Would I have sold them cake? Most likely if it was not something perverted (not saying they were asking for that BTW), just like I would not really want to do cakes shaped like genitals (someone might come in or even an employee might find it offensive and not only that it is a bit crude).
As I have said I have no issues with homosexuals wanting to be seen in a united relationship in the eyes of their government and whatever stuff they think it gets them (not sure about that because I get charged higher tax for being married than when single). The only issue I have as well as those I have spoken to is the word marriage. I believe that should be a religious use only (and yes I understand heterosexuals have ruined that name over the years and I think things should be done to correct this as well.
I think what would solve all of this is to only recognize a union in the eyes of the government and if they wanted a religious ceremony and the term marriage it should be separated and the term marriage should not be recognized by the government.
Raist
Originally posted by crazydaysandnights
There are same-sex couples that are also religious. And yes, there are 1138 benefits to married couples that non-married couples do not have. So marriage, and only marriage, is acceptable. Marriage is not a sole religious term. There is one way to solve all of this------allow same-sex couples marriage. That's all it comes down to.