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If in the end you find yourself as the only authority to whom you submit, then you will know that you do not believe in God, but have made yourself God. Good luck with that!
Prepare to be disappointed.
Originally posted by sparksgordon
OK listen everyone!! this isn't a thread for debating weather or not christianity or any other religion or faith is right or wrong! i hear all sorts of objections and thats fine just go to a thread that people want to argue and fight. here i just want to see what YOUR belief is?
What i am proposing is this. i would like to see if this thread can stay civilized in a religious DISCUSSION not a debate. A experiment if you will. i want to see if its possible to talk about religion without throwing names around or being disrespectful to all partys from all sides. so. to kick start us off. What do you believe and why?
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Prepare to be disappointed.
No, prepare to be astounded at what Humankind will be able to achieve in the very near future. Some will in fact Ascend to the Higher Planes, you will see them do this, and stand in wonderment. You will see people walk right out of their bodies and walk away in pure Spirit form. Humanity is in Awakening Mode, not in Darkness, and no, we do not wish to remain in darkness like the book religions would like us to. What you do, friend, is your own business.
The future does, indeed, look bright!
But, ubber religious folk will balk and moan, as they rail against medical and technological advancement, and scream of materialism and fallen angels!
All the while, they pray for destruction of their perceived enemies, civilization and the earth as we know it.
Ultimately, they WILL be disappointed to see mankind succeed and evolve without the intervention of their returning savior.
Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by TheGreatDivider
Sounds like evolutionists...
Indeed, there are those for whom science has become just as much a religion as any other faith on the earth.
Actually, I'm saying that the Bible is evidence, accepted by most historians as the written records of people witnessing events. Proof? Maybe not. Evidence? Most certainly. Accepting a theory supported by the preponderance of evidence is not something that "so defies logic." The Bible (in the parts meant to be taken historically) is meant to be taken as reporting. It's existence is saying "Here I am, I exist. I'm open before you and have been accepted as what I claim for over 1000 years." You may disbelieve the reports if you wish, but surely you have some burden to bear in disproving it's claims.
The problem I have with this line of logic is that it's basically saying A=B because B=A; god exists because the bible says so. If god does exist, there needs to be some proof of its existence.
I can't see how these are consistent with each other. Regardless, no man lives this way. We assume we see a red light and so we stop. We assume the bookcase is real, so we place books on it. We respond to words that we assume are on the computer screen. These types of assumptions are essential for any kind of sane living.
Reality is absolutely subjective,
The only thing we can ever truly know is our own existence; every other belief is an assumption, not a truth.
I can't doubt the existence of a creator or creating force, for even if you take into account the big bang theory, it still does not explain how the condensed matter which went on to make life possible arrived into our universe.(Original heaavily edited)
Of course, that's why religions are sometimes called "Faiths." Everything is a leap of faith. Faith based on evidence, arranged by reason. That's all any of us have.
One can believe, if he or she wishes, but believing in anything other than the existence of the self is a leap of faith.
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by TheGreatDivider
Sounds like evolutionists...
Indeed, there are those for whom science has become just as much a religion as any other faith on the earth.
The only people who say things like "science is a religion" are the ignorant types who know absolutely nothing about science.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by john_bmth
If it isn't hard, you should have no problem elaborating for the rest of us. Come on, I'd love to know your explanation. Try to explain it fully, if you would. Let's have no confusion about your answer.
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"...scientists who see an intelligent force at work in nature are being fired from their jobs. ...mention "intelligent design" today and your career is over. Why are "secularists" so afraid of intelligent design?
Because they're funded by the Illuminati, (Rockefellers, Rothschilds etc.) who are Satanists. Satanists fear that acceptance of this "intelligence" will interfere with the makeover they're giving humanity. They think they are God.
Secularism pretends to be about freedom and tolerance but that's a ruse. It is Satanism in disguise and nothing freaks a Satanist more than the rumor of God or anything resembling Him. Watch the Trailer! The secularists are more fanatical than any religious cult. They are a satanic cult. They deny the obvious! They have to expel scientists! They have to stop free inquiry and debate!
Yes Virginia, there is no Satan. But there are legions of his disciples ready to betray truth for transitory profit. They're in academia, the mass media, government and the National Academy of "Sciences."
They serve the Prince of Lies. They make evil seem good, lies seem true. They want humanity to be an accomplice in its own demise. This is why Satanists "reveal the method." They want our moral complicity. They want our souls.
Modern Western history is the record of the overthrow of Christianity by Satanism disguised as secularism. Satanism has pervaded every aspect of our cultural and intellectual life but we hoped that science would be spared. Apparently, this is not to be.
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Indeed, there are those for whom science has become just as much a religion as any other faith on the earth.
The only people who say things like "science is a religion" are the ignorant types who know absolutely nothing about science.
This is exactly the kind of statement I would expect from the type of people I was referring to.
Nice try, but you have't actually rebutted my point.
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by Klassified
You still haven't rebutted anything I a have said, you have merely repeated your ignorant statement about science being a religion without so much as an explanation how these mutually exclusive concepts are synonymous. This type of circular thinking might fly down your bible class but not with anyone capable of a critical thought.