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Obama Descendant Of African Slave, According To Genealogy Research

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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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The connection comes from the lineage of his Caucasian mother from Kansas.

Obama's ancestor, John Punch, came to Virginia sometime before 1640 as a slave. That year, he was captured in Maryland trying to escape, and brought back to Virginia where a court ordered him into permanent slavery. Punch had children with a white woman who passed her "free "status along to their offspring, who later became successful landowners.


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Does anyone actually believe this one? This guy's lies around his birth, lineage and whatnot is getting old. Didn't he say he was a descendant of a slave owner last time? On that note, I'm descended from the easter bunny! Vote for me!
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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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What timing. What coincidence. Oh what a crock!

This timing wouldn't be the least bit political, tying him somehow to the very first slave in American history?


Nawww... nothing whatsoever political. I'm sure.


The aspect that hit me right after that one? Oh and this is rich. The people most qualified in the world to prove or disprove this are represented in the man Obama is running against. I wonder if that occurs to either camp? The Mormon Church does a variety of things just a bit different. Among them is building and maintaining the most complete genealogy database in the world, to my knowledge. This should be interesting to watch.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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I could share here but I won't.

I want Ancestry to find a way to prevent random people from taking your ancestry. I am a black woman with certain "special" factors and this aggravates me to no ends. I believe the process is flawed here.

I personally find this info questionable.

Interesting that a group in Utah is reporting this. I will leave it at that. Utah.

What's their aim?
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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:48 PM
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Heck yah! It just so happens that my family came into the country not long after he claims this happened. Such complete records from that time period are hard to come by. Stating specifics as he is? Is just dangerous. At the very least someone is making some big assumptions.

Another thing to note when making assumptions, is that slaves often took the last name of their owner. Which can make tracing lineage very difficult.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by AnarchysAngel

Does anyone actually believe this one?


It's very possible. Due to the huge number of slaves brought over to the Americas, I think you find many people around the world that are descendants of slaves.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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My thought as well.

Slaves took the name of their owners. As a black woman I have found records where my black father's great grandfather (also black) purchased the land where he was once a slave.

He has the name of the family who once "owned" his ancestors. Matter of fact, there is a website tied to genealogical info that contains the "black" version of my surname.

My black gg-grandfather purchased that land in 1892,
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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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Also from the article:


Elizabeth Shown Mills, a genealogist who reviewed the site's findings, said tracing of the Y-chromosome to African origin is "indisputable."


Who's blood did they test?

All men have they Y chromosome passed on to them from their father, but they traced back from the mother?

Hold me, I am confused.

c.mfcreative.com...


In tracing the family back from Obama’s mother, Ancestry.com used DNA analysis to learn that her ancestors...



“A careful consideration of the evidence convinces me that the Y-DNA evidence of African origin is indisputable...


Don't we all trace back to Africa? Wasn't Africa the origin of the seat of life? Aren't we all truly "half-black"?
www.sciencedaily.com...


We have combined our genetic data with new measurements of a large sample of skulls to show definitively that modern humans originated from a single area in Sub-saharan Africa."



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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The so called "craddle of civilization" reffers to the land between the tegress and uphrates (sp?) river. That's in the middleeast. The earliest known hominid (upright walking) is "Lucy" found in Africa I think. I'm not sure that any of this applies to the claim though, nor does his genetic makeup support the claims he's made. Genetics can be as they are for many reasons.
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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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My thoughts, based on my quick research, is they are observing that obscure E1b1a lineage or a something similar.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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The real important part of his genealogy isn't that he descended from slaves though, it's the fact that he's related to european royalty.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by AnarchysAngel
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The so called "craddle of civilization" reffers to the land between the tegress and uphrates (sp?) river. That's in the middleeast. The earliest known hominid (upright walking) is "Lucy" found in Africa I think. I'm not sure that any of this applies to the claim though, nor does his genetic makeup support the claims he's made. Genetics can be as they are for many reasons.
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No, I was referring to the claim that all of us can make. The article I linked, and many others can be found, that many scientists agree, we all come from Africa, it was the origin of life on Earth. I know what you are referring to, the area you are thinking about is in Egypt right?

The birth of life and birth of civilization are two different things, really. As in, people started at point A (Africa) and fire and tools started in point B (Egypt).

But, I get what you are saying.

The whole thing is crazy, but I find the Utah link to be rather.. interesting.

I echo the question, why?

Hm.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Obama will be related to whoever he has to, to get your vote in an election year.


Not to say that I support Romeny. I can't stand him either. Looking for better options.



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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The claims are still a reach.

Ultimately these results depend on a common name and not DNA. I've had my DNA tested. In a certain census my maternal relatives are listed under a stepfather with his last name. I KNOW that is not correct.

How do they not know that this is an instance of a slave using the name of the owner? As a black woman and Obama supporter I would be happy to read such info and declare it legit.

But I just don't see it. At best the relative was mulatto and a freedman who bred with another freed person.
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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Here's a link to all the documents ancestry.com says they used to come to their conclusion.

Can someone point out to me why their claim isnt believable, based on the evidence they give? 'm not much of a genealogist
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www.ancestry.com...



posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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One thing I see is this;

1827 transcript of the 1640 John Punch court record

What it is: The only surviving transcription of the court document that enslaved John Punch for life

Why it’s important: The original document was lost/destroyed in April 1865 when Richmond, Virginia, was evacuated. Fortunately in 1827, a transcription was made of the enslavement record – this is the only surviving transcription of the original document.

Source: Virginia Historical Society Library, Richmond, Virginia, Mss5:9 R5613:1, Robinson, Conway, 1805-1884. Notes and excerpts from the records of Colonial Virginia, 1624-1689, including transcripts from the records of the General Court, and various county will and deed books. Gift of Mrs. Conway Robinson, Washington, D.C., ca. 1888.


I would imagine many other "documents" were somehow "miraculously" "transcribed", but why in 1827?

What was special about the year 1827, and why did "they" see a need to make "copies" of this particular record ??

Could be a clever way to "find" long lost destroyed records.

The "Victors" always (re)write history.

Edit add;

AND, how do they know for sure that the "original" was lost in 1865????????



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posted on Jul, 30 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Well...


After a long siege, Grant captured Petersburg and Richmond in early April 1865. As the fall of Petersburg became imminent, on Evacuation Sunday (April 2), President Davis, his Cabinet, and the Confederate defenders abandoned Richmond and fled south on the last open railroad line, the Richmond and Danville. The retreating soldiers were under orders to set fire to bridges, the armory, and warehouses with supplies as they left. The fire in the largely abandoned city spread out of control, and large parts of Richmond were destroyed, reaching to the very edge of Capitol Square mostly unchecked. The conflagration was not completely extinguished until the mayor and other civilians went to the Union lines east of Richmond on New Market Road (now State Route 5) and surrendered the city the next day. Union troops put out the raging fires in the city. The event became known as the Evacuation Fire of 1865.


en.wikipedia.org...

But, I cannot answer the 1867 question.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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that was fast!

can you cite which document you pulled that from so i can read it further? There are many, many pages to scroll through, from several different PDFs.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen


What was special about the year 1827, and why did "they" see a need to make "copies" of this particular record ??

Could be a clever way to "find" long lost destroyed records.


Which part of this are you taking exception with? That the document isnt from 1827?



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Interesting find. An independent website based on the same family name, looks like someone was tracing their own family history.

Funny, they didn't find any of the names listed in the Obama pdf? Huh. Anyway.

www.southernscripts.com...

Another link suggests the Bunch family had a lot of land and well may have owned slaves, lending credence to the idea that perhaps the name was adopted from the owner.


(This is a cached Google page because of a pop-up and delay on the website.)

webcache.googleusercontent.com...:uuDWC84HwzQJ:mcgrath.bravepages.com/histories/HistoryBunch.html+virginia+john+bunch&cd=4&hl=en&ct =clnk&gl=us


John Bunch, born about 1636 in England, came to Virginia, USA before March 1656. He arrived in a party of twelve brought by Gervase Dodson. John was assigned 450 acres in New Kent Co, VA on 18 Mar 1662 by Phillip Freeman. Phillip had bought it from the original grantee, Thos. Merriday. John married Mary during 1661 in Virginia. Mary was born about 1640. Their children were John, Jr, born 1662, and Paul, born 1669. John, Sr died during 1700 in New Kent County.


I am just not seeing the names that the news article is finding, and these are independent family websites.

Interesting, no?

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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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*Yawn* How exactly is this a political move to get votes during an election year? I mean what is this going to change about how people perceive him? I mean a lot of people feel like he neglects his european ancestry, now that he explored it, he still loses? The man cannot win, lol.




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