Matthew 10:34-38 becomes a disturbing reality when you begin following Jesus

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Again, satan does NOT "rule" Hell. Hell was created to punish the devil and his angels. And I already said how he rules the kingdoms of the Earth, Adam forfeited dominion (rule) to him in the garden of Eden. Remember when he was tempting Christ in the wilderness after Christ had fasted for 40 days? He offered to give Jesus all the kingdoms of the Earth if He would bow the knee and worship him? For one thing, Christ never challenged his claim of possession and his authority to give them to whomever he wished to, and secondly it would not have been a "temptation" if satan didn't have the authority to give them to Christ.

The Lord won dominion back at the cross, however He doesnt forcibly take His inheritance away from the devil until He opens the 7 sealed scroll in Revelation. That scroll is a "title deed".

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So what does Satan actually do in hell if not rule it? If he rules the systems and kingdoms then how is that any different from ruling hell?

It seems as though you are saying one thing but believing the opposite. That's called doublethink, which is a product of believing something without question.

You still refuse to answer my question.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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So what does Satan actually do in hell if not rule it? If he rules the systems and kingdoms then how is that any different from ruling hell?

It seems as though you are saying one thing but believing the opposite. That's called double-thinking, which is a product of believing something without question.

You still refuse to answer my question.

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Humans suffer a life of hell if they believe thought. Thought is the talking snake that tells you of tomorrow, yesterday, better, good, bad and more. If you believe thought you are tempted and decieved and you will suffer, Satan is ruling you.
If you realize this moment and know life without thought, without 'what's next' and experience life directly as it happens then God rules. Stick with what is real and not imaginary and the kingdom will be revealed.

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I've answered them. Satan is not in Hell yet. He is cast into the lake of fire at the judgment. I keep telling you over and over that satan does not re hell. It's his future judgment, his rule is on Earth through the governments of man.

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Yet you find it impossible that Christianity is a work of Satan? Christianity is a system based on Earth.

You agree that he runs the systems and kingdoms of hell and Earth yet you deny the fact that hell is on Earth? If Satan is associated with hell and Satan is on Earth, why can't you grasp the fact that the biblical hell is on Earth?

If he is a defeated foe as you put it then how does he have so much control over the governments of Earth? Wouldn't it be a sound judgement that the hell in the bible is speaking of Earth and other planets like Earth?

If not, why?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
If Satan is a defeated foe then how does he have dominion over kingdoms of Earth? How does god allow this?

The winner gets the Kingdom of God, the loser gets the kingdoms of Earth, fair enough.

Also God uses Satan to test souls. Satan is like a filter. Gods wants to separate the souls that take advantage of others from those souls who will endure hell to forsake their evil/corrupted nature.

Ignorance is no excuse. The Word is out there on the media. You don't need to hear a preacher or read the Bible or be in ATS to realize that something is wrong with our world and how things are run. Just to know the distribution of wealth($$) geographically around the World, the rich and poor statistics, lets you know that something very corrupt is going on. If you really care, you would do some research and you'll find bits of the truth which will eventually lead you to Jesus even from a purely secular perspective.

We did not emerged from the Dark Ages, we only found better ways to hide it. Our world, is full of inequality. Life is Good and Beautiful for only small % of the world population.

Go visit the slums in 3rd World Countries. That is the real world. God only sees our souls, He doesn't care a damn in any of our worldly accomplishments. He sees Bill Gates and a kid dying of poverty and malnutrition as equals so humanity is in a very miserable state to God.

Don't be deceived that Life is Good or life can be good as popularized by the mass media. They make you feel that pursuing a 'normal life' is okay, it's not, it only helps to feed this evil system we live in.

What you do in this life will have eternal consequences. Imagine if you kept your worldliness into eternal life, you'll run the Universe dry and bring it to ruin! God doesn't want that. If you will let go of the 'good things', in order to save another's life even if you have to go through hell just to do the things that God loves, that's where God's heart is.

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Satan is a filter for god? I thought god knows everything about you before you're ever born, so why does he need a filter to figure this out? Satan is a tool of god? I thought god could only do good?

In your opinion, god punishes those that he corrupts? Why does god need Satan in the first place? If there was no such thing as Satan then there would be no greed or corruption, so why would god purposely insert Satan into the equation for no reason other than to corrupt the world?

There is so much contradiction going on in that post that I'm just going to stop now.

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Why are you not hearing me that satan is NOT in Hell right now? That will he his permanent location when the judgment comes but right now he is not yet cast there in judgment. I have already told you why h has so much control over the Earth. The only power he has is the power men yield to him. Anything against Christ is rebellion.

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Obviously you are not getting the point I am trying to make. Maybe these verses will open your mind a bit.

Revelation 12:9

The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan,who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Revelation 20:10

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Those two verses sound similar don't they? The only difference is 12:9 says the devil was thrown to Earth and 20:10 says he was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, a.k.a. hell.

The lake of sulfur (hell) and Earth are one in the same. Hell is on Earth. Heaven is above us, or the rest of the universe, a.k.a. the kingdom of god. Satan is the people who are in power on Earth, the rich.

Are you starting to understand where I'm coming from or will you choose to ignore it?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


The events of Revelation have not happened yet. That's why I said satan is not yet in Hell. That happens after the judgment. WW2 should make it completely evident that satan still walks the Earth.

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In that case Satan has not been thrown to Earth yet. Which is it? Is Satan here on Earth yet or not? Both verses come from Revelation.

Why do both verses use the past tense when describing when Satan was thrown to hell/Earth? It says 'was' not 'will be'.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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In that case Satan has not been thrown to Earth yet. Which is it? Is Satan here on Earth yet or not? Both verses come from Revelation.

Why do both verses use the past tense when describing when Satan was thrown to hell/Earth? It says 'was' not 'will be'.

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No, satan has not be cast out from heaven permanently yet, the verse in Revelation describes what will happen at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week when Michael the archangel removes him forever. He is still to this day allowed access to the throne and the Bible says he accuses the saints of God. At the mid-point God will say in effect "Enough is enough.." and he will forever be removed. He still accuses the saints as he did in the time of Job.

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If he hasn't been thrown to Earth yet, how is he here now? If he is here now then what would be the point of god throwing him to Earth in the future? Why hasn't god said 'enough is enough' yet? You'd think after hundreds of years of deceiving man god would have said that by now.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Why does god need Satan in the first place? If there was no such thing as Satan then there would be no greed or corruption, so why would god purposely insert Satan into the equation for no reason other than to corrupt the world?

God gave man free will. It's only a matter of time before man sinned and corrupted himself even without Satan. Also the first sin was grievous, the sin of Idolatry - eating the fruit of the Tree of Wisdom.

Also the fallen angels were previously not evil but they also had free will and their superior qualities let to their fall, again, the sin of Idolatry - worship of self. Note in this case, no outsider tempted them but their own mind.

We must not always blame Satan for our own evils. We have a choice. While he is out there tempting people, we also have prophets preaching the truth. You can choose who to listen to.

There's two sides, one that lives off the misery of others and one that sacrifices even his/her life/reputation for the welfare of others.

You watch it it movies, you feel much anger for the guy sacrificing the welfare of others for selfish gains but feelings of great sympathy to the one who sacrifices everything they have including their life to save the world. You have a choice to belong to the latter group. It's not a life of worldly comfort, pride, praises of men, and security, it's a life of self denial, humility, austerity, persecution, and tribulations but it's a great life with God.

The true Christian life was never meant to be easy. Otherwise, Jesus would lying about the narrow gate and the narrow road. Not a black topped road with many conveniences. The mainstream Christianity is in danger.

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So it was only a matter of time before we started to corrupt the world without Satan? So you agree that man has the ability to corrupt without the need for Satan?

What makes you think that the world hasn't been corrupted without the influence of Satan now? How do you know the devil exists? Why must everything evil be attributed to an invisible entity when you agree there is no need for one for corruption to take place?

So in order to stop man from corrupting themselves, god sent Satan to corrupt us? How does that make sense?

ETA: Weren't humans at one point not evil, just as the fallen angels were? What if the fallen angels and us are the same thing? What if Satan is a metaphor for what man has become ever since becoming self-aware and greedy? What if hell is a metaphor for what we have turned Earth into ever since we started taking advantage of one another and nature to profit?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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If he hasn't been thrown to Earth yet, how is he here now? If he is here now then what would be the point of god throwing him to Earth in the future? Why hasn't god said 'enough is enough' yet? You'd think after hundreds of years of deceiving man god would have said that by now.

He like any angel can come and go as he pleases. He just has not been permanently cast from heaven by Michael yet. Read Job, he is still the same ol devil up to his same ol tricks. His days are numbered tho.. that's why Revelation says when he is cast out from heaven at the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week he is full of wrath because he knows his time is very short. (3 1/2 years)

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Why would they still allow someone so evil to go into heaven as he pleases?

If Satan can come and go as he pleases and even masquerades as an angel of light, how can you be so sure Christianity is not a work of Satan?

Since religion is run by the greedy and Satan is described as being greedy, how do you know he isn't masquerading as an angel of light as we speak in the form of Christianity?

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You keep asking me the same question that I have already answered. Prophecy. That is how God authenticates his message to us. Only God can see the end from the beginning. And I have no idea why he is allowed access to the throne still, I wouldn't let him. Have you looked into the heptadic structure or ELS codes of the text yet?

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Why would they still allow someone so evil to go into heaven as he pleases?

Do you mean like in the Book of Job? Existence is a mean sort of thing. Terrible things happen and it can't be helped. Jesus said as much, but woe to him who brings those things about. The idea being, we are responsible for trying to make things better and not worse. The great cosmic dragon brings both life and death, but ultimately it is not him who is our real father and mother since we made the dragon ourselves from before memory. As long as we have these lives the dragon is here with us.

If Satan can come and go as he pleases and even masquerades as an angel of light, how can you be so sure Christianity is not a work of Satan?

Does it feed the dragon, are we giving the souls of men and women to feast on?

Since religion is run by the greedy and Satan is described as being greedy, how do you know he isn't masquerading as an angel of light as we speak in the form of Christianity?

It does, the dragon has its own children who work for him to lead souls to him to devour.

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Prophecy? You mean the extremely vague prophecies? History repeats itself, an empire rises and becomes too greedy then falls, another rises then falls, etc., etc. The bible has no prophecies, only stories of what has happened before.